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Patrick J. Buchanan—Pseudo-Historian, Very Real Dissimulator
Pajamasmedia.com ^ | June 13th, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/16/2008 6:03:17 AM PDT by PurpleMan

"In dealing with Mr. Buchanan, one must accept at the beginning two caveats. First, as is his style, he will always resort to ad hominem attacks in lieu of an argument."

"[I} was appalled by his absence of logic..."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bookreview; coughlinjunior; fino; franzliebkind; germany; idiotsonfr; israel; mullahpat; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; revisionistnonsense; russia; troll; unitedkingdom; unnecessarywar; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: BGHater

You wanna repost and do it like every other FReeper around here and start and the beginning of the article instead of playing editor.

The box says “This is an excerpt.”


41 posted on 06/16/2008 8:46:35 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

He’s more in line with the left on economic issues, as well as foreign policy.

And he appeals to bigots from both political extremes.


42 posted on 06/16/2008 8:50:34 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("Lights up on Washington Heights, Up at the break of day...")
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To: PzLdr
I didn’t miss the point. VDH’s ASSUMPTION is probably correct. But the FACT is the British gave as their SOLE reason for going to war the German invasion of Poland. And if Hanson can [rightly] challenge Buchanan’s factual errors [as well as Buchanan’s asuumptions], I can feel free to point out his.

That would be because the invasion was the triggering event. And if you had been alive and paying attention in 1939, no one would have had to explain this to you because it would have been taken for granted as common knowledge.

Again... I the reason for the treaty with Poland was to end the German violations of the treaty of Versailles (a fact that was understood by people at that time). It was thought that such a declaration would bring the Germans up short and stop further aggression and violations of the treaty. It did not, because it was too little, too late.

And while I am sure you are very competent on WWII as relates to battles and such, you seem to know nothing of the inter-war politics that led up to the war other than the basic superficial stuff they teach in school. The invasion of Poland was the only public reason uttered, because it was the last and final event in a long train of events.

So, yes, you did miss the point.

43 posted on 06/16/2008 8:55:47 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: PurpleMan
Buchanan, Hitler and Napoleon have one thing in common—malignant narcissism. This occurs when a generally nice person focuses on obtaining approval from the crowd. Once he or she receives this, this crowd approval is used as proof positive of the narcissists value.

Done over and over in an ever increasing crescendo leads to Napoleon losing a whole army in Russia and, then, Hitler doing the same. As for Pat, he is playing “what if” games to his liking that make Pat look super smart. Hopefully, no one will do so. If not, Buchanan will go on to rewrite all of human history to his liking.

By the way, if Adam didn't delve and Eve Twain, then there would be no history.

44 posted on 06/16/2008 9:02:19 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: trane250
...the oligarchs who share, let us say, certain similarities with the founders of the neocon movement.

Joooooooooooos!

Look, there's a Joooooo standing behind you right now! BOO!

45 posted on 06/16/2008 9:06:04 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: PurpleMan
Second, Buchanan unfortunately is neither a reliable journalist nor an historian, and thus simply cannot be trusted to report accurately what is written.

I agree with this assessment. But the problem is that there are so few talking heads on television that get the illegal invasion of this country. Buchanan must be given his due, he got the illegal invasion from the get-go. Fox is trotting out talking heads claiming to be conservatives who are clueless about the illegal invasion, and who are probably by orders of Rupert downplaying the illegal invasion. I understand what Buchanan does not get, but I also appreciate what he does get, what he does get is more than most claiming to be conservatives on the putrid medium known as cable news.

46 posted on 06/16/2008 9:08:29 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: PzLdr
Communication from the German Government to the British Government, Handed by Joachim von Ribbentrop, Minister for Foreign Affairs, to the British Ambassador (Sir Neville Henderson) at 11:20 A.M., September 3, 1939

"The German Government have received the British Government's ultimatum of the 3rd September, 1939. They have the honour to reply as follows: -

"1. The German Government and the German people refuse to receive, accept, let alone to fulfill, demands in the nature of ultimata made by the British Government.

"2. On our eastern frontier there has for many months already reigned a condition of war. Since the time when the Versailles Treaty first tore Germany to pieces, all and every peaceful settlement was refused to all German Governments. The National Socialist Government also has since the year 1933 tried again and again to remove by peaceful negotiations the worst rapes and breaches of justice of this treaty. The British Government have been among those who, by their intransigent attitude, took the chief part in frustrating every practical revision. Without the intervention of the British Government - of this the German Government and German people are fully conscious - a reasonable solution doing justice to both sides would certainly have been found between Germany and Poland. For Germany did not have the intention nor had she raised the demands of annihilating Poland. The Reich demanded only the revision of those articles of the Versailles Treaty which already at the time of the formulation of that Dictate had been described by understanding statesmen of all nations as being in the long run unbearable, and therefore impossible for a great nation and also for the entire political and economic interests of Eastern Europe. British statesmen, too, declared the solution in the East which was then forced upon Germany as containing the germ of future wars. To remove this danger was the desire of all German Governments and especially the intention of the new National Socialist People's Government. The blame for having prevented this peaceful revision lies with the British Cabinet policy."

Thought you might be interested in reading this. No doubt this is one of the documents referred to by Buchannan in his book. What you should note, however, is the references to the treaty of Versailles. Even the Germans understood the reason for the British-French-Polish treaty.

47 posted on 06/16/2008 9:08:50 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: DManA
And a man who spent 3/4 of his career in partisan politics is not a disinterested observer.

Are you talking about Russert? I don't know his history. Was he in politics?

48 posted on 06/16/2008 9:41:53 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: shrinkermd

“malignant narcissism”

Very nice. Very clinical. As good as Krauthammer’s BDS


49 posted on 06/16/2008 10:34:29 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PsyOp

Perhaps you want to address your reply to trane250. That is the poster who asked the question you have answered.


50 posted on 06/16/2008 11:08:11 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: maica

My apologies.


51 posted on 06/16/2008 11:47:43 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: raybbr

Tim Russert worked for Mario Cuomo, but that’s the extent of my knowledge of the matter.


52 posted on 06/16/2008 2:55:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
From Wikipedia:

Russert graduated with honors from Cleveland-Marshall College of Law [1] and then worked on New York Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan's successful senatorial campaign in 1976. He served as Moynihan's chief of staff to from 1977 to 1982. He then worked on New York Democrat Mario Cuomo's successful gubernatorial campaign in 1982, and was counselor in the governor's office in Albany from 1983 to 1984. He left politics and joined the NBC Washington Bureau in 1984. In 1985 he arranged for Pope John Paul II's first interview on American television.[6] He became Washington Bureau Chief in 1988 and was later promoted to the position of senior vice president of NBC News.[7]

It appears he has enough liberal credentials for the "fourth estate" to embrace him.

53 posted on 06/16/2008 3:00:17 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Petronski

54 posted on 06/16/2008 3:01:50 PM PDT by trane250
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To: PurpleMan

Patrick Buchanan has definitively joined the ranks of “pocket stuffers”, writing sensationalist books with no basis in reality.


55 posted on 06/16/2008 3:54:27 PM PDT by hreardon
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To: PurpleMan
Hanson just won a six-figure prize for his work and doesn't have time to bandy about with ignorant and ill-mannered freepers. Buchanan by contrast, hasn't held a real job since scribbling speeches for Richard Nixon forty years ago. You know he did a great job at that, too, by the memorable Nixonian lines we all cherish.
56 posted on 06/16/2008 4:49:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Hanson just won a six-figure prize for his work...

From Sheldon Adelson, I presume.

57 posted on 06/16/2008 5:17:02 PM PDT by trane250
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To: PurpleMan; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out.

Links:    FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=victordavishanson
                His website: http://victorhanson.com/
                NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp
                Pajamasmedia:
   http://victordavishanson.pajamasmedia.com/

58 posted on 06/18/2008 12:25:40 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: PurpleMan

We’re a society that values entertainment over thought. As individuals, we can still choose to do what’s right—that’s truly today’s countercultural choice.


59 posted on 06/18/2008 12:59:58 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: trane250

Behold, a self-fulfilling prophecy - a post to bemoan the ad hominem, filled with... you guessed it! Who would’ve guessed that the “diversity” of opinion on a PJB thread @ FR would correlate with the frequency of choosing which weapon to attack?
You will need to tread carefully, or you will get “Charles Johnson’ed.”


60 posted on 06/18/2008 1:10:36 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (I am the town square.)
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