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"ad hominem attacks in lieu of an argument and absence of logic."

Am I the only one who sees this here on so many post and responses? You don't believe me? Read thru the comments on Russert's death and the coverage (especially, "Wall to Wall Russert on Morning Shows" and Tim Russert's Testimony Sent Scooter Libby To Jail) to see what kind of ad hominens and illogicals there are.

Appalling.

Oh, if only Hanson would respond to some of the poster's on FR and there were more who respond as does he.

1 posted on 06/16/2008 6:03:18 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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This is a wonderful response by the Great VDH. I am so impressed.


2 posted on 06/16/2008 6:11:32 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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I guess I would rather see the ad honmine attacks then read the hypocritical, hysteric hype about a guy who's whole career will be nothing but a minor footnote in history

Russert death is a prime example of everything wrong with American Political media. The American political media tends to defies and exaggerates the importance of minor insignificant bit players and results in a “journalistic” community that confuses its own ego for the story.

Russert’s death is no more significant or important then the 10s of thousands of other people who died that day.

3 posted on 06/16/2008 6:13:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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Buchanan vs. Hanson is not even a fair fight. Buchanan should stick to debating mental midgets like Bill Press. That’s more his speed.


4 posted on 06/16/2008 6:15:36 AM PDT by Dukes Travels
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VDH to PJB:


7 posted on 06/16/2008 6:19:38 AM PDT by steve-b (The "intelligent design" hoax is not merely anti-science; it is anti-civilization. --John Derbyshire)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

Victor Davis Hanson pwns Patrick J. Buchanan. Long read, but interesting in that it details some ways Brigadiers tend to argue.


8 posted on 06/16/2008 6:25:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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I noticed you have a habit of attacking your fellow FReepers en mass. The last one I recall was your bemoaning “15 posts and no prayers” when a plane crashed in Sudan. Since your habit is to be critical of others, I'd like to know what's up with that?
14 posted on 06/16/2008 6:54:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The Lord.)
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It is fascinating to see Buchanan bring his butt to a brain fight...and get it handed to him!


16 posted on 06/16/2008 6:56:38 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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I used to enjoy reading Mr. B, until he turned into an apologist for the Nazi’s as a way to combat the left.

What he still fails to understand is that the left (communists) and the Nazi’s are essentially the same thing. Two methods of taking power away from individuals and ruling the masses. They say they are diametrically opposed to each other but they are like two trains on the same circular track, one following the other, trying to reach the same station.


17 posted on 06/16/2008 6:59:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marines. The finest and most feared fighting force in the history of mankind.)
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From the article:
In attacking my book “Churchill, Hitler and ‘The Unnecessary War’: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World,” Victor Davis Hanson, the court historian of the neoconservatives...

He (PJB) does indeed use ad hominem attacks such as this day in and day out as though he is really saying something. His people eat this up, too.


18 posted on 06/16/2008 7:05:46 AM PDT by rdb3 (Upward, onward, beyond...)
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watching buchanan speak always made me feel the need

for a shower.


19 posted on 06/16/2008 7:07:33 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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Hate to rain on the parade, and NO, I'm not defending Buchanan. BUT, when VDH says Britain went to war with Germany because Germany had systematically violated Versailles, etc, he's wrong.

The British went to war over Poland. They had guaranteed Poland's independence against any [read German] aggression. If one reads the history, you will note Britain gave Germany something like 12 hours to cease military operations and withdraw from Poland, after which time, if Germany did not, a state of war would exist between the two countries. Poland was the casus belli.

20 posted on 06/16/2008 7:15:45 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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I hit the clicker when Buchanan comes on. He hollers like he’s out in the yard flipping steaks. About as thoughtful, too.


22 posted on 06/16/2008 7:23:54 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Teach your child to be an American. Take him out of public school.)
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And, yes, it does indeed serve to lessen the enormous sacrifices that American and British soldiers endured to stop a monstrosity like National Socialism...

Why hasn't Hanson mentioned the enormous sacrifices of the Russians and Soviets of which the American and British losses pale in comparison? This is par for the course in the lexicon of the neocons. You see, the Russkies are on the outs because of their dealings with Iran AND for trying to recover some of their national wealth which was looted by the oligarchs who share, let us say, certain similarities with the founders of the neocon movement.

25 posted on 06/16/2008 7:53:40 AM PDT by trane250
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To: PurpleMan
Interesting post.

You wanna repost and do it like every other FReeper around here and start and the beginning of the article instead of playing editor.

26 posted on 06/16/2008 7:58:50 AM PDT by BGHater ("Save water, shower with a friend")
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Ping to self.


27 posted on 06/16/2008 8:04:19 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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Pat biggest mistake of all... to engage in a battle of wits with VDH. LMAO!


31 posted on 06/16/2008 8:15:32 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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Uhm, typing “prayers going up” is not the same as praying!


35 posted on 06/16/2008 8:29:40 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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Buchanan, Hitler and Napoleon have one thing in common—malignant narcissism. This occurs when a generally nice person focuses on obtaining approval from the crowd. Once he or she receives this, this crowd approval is used as proof positive of the narcissists value.

Done over and over in an ever increasing crescendo leads to Napoleon losing a whole army in Russia and, then, Hitler doing the same. As for Pat, he is playing “what if” games to his liking that make Pat look super smart. Hopefully, no one will do so. If not, Buchanan will go on to rewrite all of human history to his liking.

By the way, if Adam didn't delve and Eve Twain, then there would be no history.

44 posted on 06/16/2008 9:02:19 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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Second, Buchanan unfortunately is neither a reliable journalist nor an historian, and thus simply cannot be trusted to report accurately what is written.

I agree with this assessment. But the problem is that there are so few talking heads on television that get the illegal invasion of this country. Buchanan must be given his due, he got the illegal invasion from the get-go. Fox is trotting out talking heads claiming to be conservatives who are clueless about the illegal invasion, and who are probably by orders of Rupert downplaying the illegal invasion. I understand what Buchanan does not get, but I also appreciate what he does get, what he does get is more than most claiming to be conservatives on the putrid medium known as cable news.

46 posted on 06/16/2008 9:08:29 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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Patrick Buchanan has definitively joined the ranks of “pocket stuffers”, writing sensationalist books with no basis in reality.


55 posted on 06/16/2008 3:54:27 PM PDT by hreardon
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