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What causes a woman to seek out sex with teens?
The Intelligencer ^ | June 15, 2008 | JO CIAVAGLIA

Posted on 06/16/2008 6:07:40 PM PDT by Clint Williams

What makes a grown woman pursue a guy who gets carded at R-rated movies, lives with his parents who give him an allowance and, who if your actions are revealed, would ruin your reputation and possibly land you in jail?

Theories abound. Some might surprise you.

Like how mentally, they are about the same age.

Sexual abuse involving older women and teen boys is an underreported crime, one that experts say has been largely ignored by the public, legal system and academic researchers for reasons including sexual double standards and evidence suggesting teen boys often are willing participants.

But that attitude is changing.

Prosecutions of women for sex abuse have risen nationwide in the past several years, law enforcement experts say. Locally, last week two women from Bucks County were charged with sexual crimes involving teenage boys.

Angela Marie Honeycutt, 38, and Lynne Long, 45, both of Lower Makefield, were charged Wednesday in connection with alleged indecent acts that took place during a teen boy sleepover in April.

Honeycutt was charged with statutory sexual assault, a second-degree felony, and several lesser felonies and misdemeanors. She is charged with engaging in sex acts with two boys, ages 14 and 15. Sleepover host Long was charged with endangering the welfare of children and corruption of minors.

In the past decade, high-profile arrests involving inappropriate and illegal sexual contact between women and boys have captivated the nation.

Among the most infamous cases, both involving middle school teachers, were Debra LaFave, 23, who had sex with a 14-year-old student, and Mary Kay LeTourneau, 34, who began a sexual relationship with her 13-year-old student, later gave birth to two of his children, served jail time for abusing him and then married him in 2005.

An estimated 1,500 women are in prison for sexual abuse of children. The National Center for Juvenile Justice 2005 report on statutory rape found that 5 percent of victims were boys and adult women were overwhelmingly the abusers.

The report also found among children ages 7 to 11 and 15 to 17, boy victims outnumbered girls. On average, female molesters were nine years older than their male victims, compared with a six-year age gap between male offenders and teen girl victims.

Other research agencies like Child Trends in Washington, D.C., are starting to collect data that also suggest sexual relationships between teen boys and older women are more common than many believe.

A 2005 Child Trends research brief on the subject revealed that one in four males surveyed reported his first sexual experiences were with a woman usually a few years older.

Of more than 2,000 males, ages 15 to 24, asked, though, half who had a first sexual experience with an older woman reported an age gap of five years or more.

The abuse connection

Child molesters share some common features regardless of gender, according to the Center for Sex Offender Management in Maryland. Many show evidence of poor coping skills, relationship difficulties, cognitive distortions and an inability to empathize with victims.

But the center also noted some key differences between men and women offenders.

Among them sexual victimization histories are far more common among female sex offenders than men, and their abuse experiences are often more longstanding, extensive and severe. Adult women also are more likely than men to commit sex offenses with a willing participant.

The largest study so far involving female sex offenders found the sexual abuse connection, according to its author, Susan Strickland, a University of Georgia professor and social worker who treats sex offenders.

For her research, Strickland surveyed 130 female prisoners, including 60 serving time for sexual offenses.

She found that women who have sex with boys lack the mature relationship skills to partner with men their age. They are also motivated by a need for power and control, and they see the boy as a blank slate they can turn into the partner they want.

Women sex offenders may never have had a relationship in which they felt safe, Strickland added.

Women who seek sex with underage boys are also more likely than men to focus on one person and to profess love and loyalty and a sense of a particular and profound bond, psychologists say.

Emotional overload

Philadelphia author Alan Soble has written books about sex and love. He believes it's difficult to generalize what motivates an older woman to seduce a teen boy, but that their reasons are probably not much different than a man's.

“Is there any reason to think the motives are different? Then you have to go with the standard story, but with the genders reversed,” said Soble, a philosophy professor at Penn State University's Abington campus.

Emotions are part of why he believes women pursue teen boys.

“It's not simply why would they do it, but why do it knowing they'll be ostracized if they get caught, they are in trouble, and will get more attention than a man would get?” he said. “It's the power the emotions have to kill our rationality, and women seem to be as susceptible as men to having their rationality undermined by their emotions and passions.”

What also remains unclear is the long-term impact on teen boys.

What evidence is available — gathered through male prisoners and men in addiction treatment — is the experience disrupts normal adolescent psychological development, Strickland said.

A teen's immature brain cannot process the adult behavior they are engaging in, and, as a result, it skews social and sexual outlook, distorts thinking and hinders the ability to relate to a partner their own age, she explained.

Most teen boys involved in sexual relationships with older women don't feel they've been violated, a belief that Strickland says is rooted in society stereotypes, while girls in the same relationships are sent the message they've been taken advantage of, boys are congratulated and admired.

FEMALE SEX OFFENDERS

Source: Center for Sex Offender ManagementJo Ciavaglia can be reached at 215 949-4181 or jciavaglia@phillyburbs.com.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ageofconsentlaws; clintonlegacy; corruptingaminor; doublestandard; naughtyteacherslist; perversion; perverts; rape; robbingthecraddle; seduction; sexoffenders; statutoryrape

1 posted on 06/16/2008 6:07:40 PM PDT by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams

Not popular with the boys in high school.


2 posted on 06/16/2008 6:08:44 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Clint Williams

“Child molesters share some common features regardless of gender”

It’s feels go to them, so they do it... Damn the consequences and damn the impact on the kids.

It’s no laughing matter.


3 posted on 06/16/2008 6:12:19 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Clint Williams

“Child molesters share some common features regardless of gender”

It’s feels go to them, so they do it... Damn the consequences and damn the impact on the kids.

It’s no laughing matter.


4 posted on 06/16/2008 6:12:26 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Clint Williams

Low batteries?


5 posted on 06/16/2008 6:12:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: Clint Williams

“Child molesters share some common features regardless of gender”

It’s feels go to them, so they do it... Damn the consequences and damn the impact on the kids.

It’s no laughing matter.


6 posted on 06/16/2008 6:12:35 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Clint Williams

7 posted on 06/16/2008 6:14:35 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Real men drink mercury)
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To: Clint Williams
Pictures of women at this link: http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=50502&cat=14
8 posted on 06/16/2008 6:14:43 PM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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To: Clint Williams
A teen's immature brain cannot process the adult behavior they are engaging in, and, as a result, it skews social and sexual outlook, distorts thinking and hinders the ability to relate to a partner their own age, she explained.

If they can't process the adult behavior they are engaging in, why is it ok for them to have sex even with kids their own age?

susie

9 posted on 06/16/2008 6:15:21 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Clint Williams

b.s.

in reality these women are probably no different than males who have sex with teen girls.

normal adults have attractions to the opposite sex,

but when the relationship is one of adult to underage,

the mature adult does not act upon her urges.


10 posted on 06/16/2008 6:18:44 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Keith Brown

Hey, we heard ya Keith - ALL THREE TIMES!


11 posted on 06/16/2008 6:26:42 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: yldstrk

I bet that gal in Florida was pretty popular with the boys in school, Debra Lafavre


12 posted on 06/16/2008 6:38:25 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Clint Williams
What evidence is available — gathered through male prisoners and men in addiction treatment — is the experience disrupts normal adolescent psychological development, Strickland said.

So does the DemoKratic Party.

13 posted on 06/16/2008 6:40:26 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: LasVegasMac

Easy!

I only hit the bloody button once!

Can you understand a malfunction when you see it?


14 posted on 06/16/2008 6:40:41 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Clint Williams

How about just plain perverted.


15 posted on 06/16/2008 6:41:33 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Keith Brown
I only hit the bloody button once!

The solution is obvious, quit bleeding on the button!

Can you understand a malfunction when you see it?

Nope.

Never had a malfunction.

Ever.

:)

16 posted on 06/16/2008 6:44:26 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: Clint Williams

bttt


17 posted on 06/16/2008 6:45:04 PM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: Clint Williams

I myself have wondered the same thing. As an adult woman and the mother of 2 boys (and unofficial foster mother to a dozen of their friends over the years) I try to look at them objectively whenever I hear a story like this. The **only** thing I can come up is maybe it’s a power thing, being the Mrs Robinson to his Ben. The experienced, all knowing mature lady inducting a young man into his first sexual experience. What was the beer ad..? “You never forget your first girl.” The determination to be that first girl, because I’ll bet most men remember theirs. Add to that an experienced woman willing to do more things than a 14 year old girl... That’s the only thing I can come up with because they certainly aren’t sex objects to me-

because **I** look at my sons and their friends and I see big kids who may throw a baseball with total grace but can’t walk through the room without tripping over their size 11 feet that they haven’t grown into yet. Who can get the ball through the hoop with nothing but net but can’t pee without getting it on the floor. I see kids in oversized bodies, kids who enjoy generally putting each other down, outdoing each other in Guitar Hero and the accompanying insults, who still think imitating bodily noises is the height of hilarity and anything that sounds like a fart is the highlight of the evening, who aren’t bothered by dirty socks and sportsgear laying on their bedroom floor and see no reason why wrappers should be thrown away when the floor is so readily available.

Don’t get me wrong, I love my boys, all of them. They’re good hearted, enjoyable, interesting kids. But sex objects they’re not.


18 posted on 06/16/2008 6:47:09 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Clint Williams
I think Madonna gave me some insight as to the young man versus the mature man in her flippant statement and may be part of the attraction of an older woman to a young man or teen....
Young men don't know what they are doing but can do it all night long...
19 posted on 06/16/2008 6:48:37 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: freekitty

Best post in the thread.


20 posted on 06/16/2008 6:53:17 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: LasVegasMac

LOL!!!!

Been that kinda Monday!

Cheers!


21 posted on 06/16/2008 6:57:33 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Clint Williams

True story: Once upon a time (back in the 80s), my then-girlfriend shared a house with a divorced woman and her two kids (aged 11 and 7). The woman had been a teacher’s aid and had started an affair with one of her 16 year old students. Her husband found out and divorced her, but (somehow) she got custody of the kids.

By the time I met her, the “kid” was now 20 and she was ~35 and they were still seeing each other. The “kid” confided in me that he was just using her for sex would only hand out with her for anther year or so. He had no intention of marrying her. So, the “kid” just basically looked a her as a trophy he would soon ditch—nothing more. He certainly didn’t respect or love her.

Of course, the woman actualy thought that he was going to propose any day now. It was a really sad and pathetic situation. I especially felt bad for her kids. You could see the shame in their eyes, especially her 11 year old son—who was old enough to know what was going on with mom. I’m sure that boy carries around some serious baggage as a grown-up. My impression was that the woman couldn’t face middle age and this was her way of trying to hang on too her youth. She was also financially irresponsible and would often not pay her share of the rent, but she still found $$ to buy the “kid” liquor and cigarettes.


22 posted on 06/16/2008 7:03:24 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Clint Williams

Whatever happened to “The Summer of ‘42?”


23 posted on 06/16/2008 7:10:52 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Dumpster Baby

Just ewwww.


24 posted on 06/16/2008 7:11:12 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Clint Williams
IMHO, people need to remember Occam's Razor.  Teenage boys are tragically in a state of near permanent priaprism.
25 posted on 06/16/2008 7:12:12 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: ktscarlett66

I’m with you mama. I raised a boy and all his buddies were over all the time - great kids and a couple were very handsome young men, but I never was attracted to them even in the least....


26 posted on 06/16/2008 7:13:50 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: HawaiianGecko

So true, but I’m sure a certain percentage of these ladies probably are bipolar or have some other psychosocial issues. No doubt.


27 posted on 06/16/2008 7:14:51 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Clint Williams

MTV parentage.


28 posted on 06/16/2008 7:16:17 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: rbg81
Hmmm...  I cannot think of a single story I have ever heard beginning "once upon a time" that wasn't a fairy tale.  :-)
29 posted on 06/16/2008 7:17:03 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: Clint Williams
A societal deletion of sex difference.

When the depraved becomes the norm, what's deparved anymore? -- Sunday Times Of London, Aug 1994

30 posted on 06/16/2008 7:22:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ktscarlett66
Don’t get me wrong, I love my boys, all of them. They’re good hearted, enjoyable, interesting kids. But sex objects they’re not.

Very well put. Your post should be required reading for all hot young school teachers.

All of them should abide by the principles illustrated in your post. Those who cannot abide by these principles, should see me after school.

31 posted on 06/16/2008 7:23:16 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Clint Williams
What does? How about healthy respect, whether conscious or not, for the civilized tradition of older women introducing younger men to sex?

In the meantime, we in this country have grown obsessed, not so much with sex, although that too, but with no sex, with sex as a mortal sin. Every American male is now considered either a sex offender or a potential sex offender, or an unconvicted sex offender, don't even start denying it, and if you work at a sizeable company check out its sexual harassment regulations, check with the men who have been accused and (automatically) convicted of sexual harassment, if they still work there that is. OR just check the threads here of the anti-sex obsessives. <>

32 posted on 06/16/2008 7:23:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Revolting cat!

P.S. Flame me, Church Ladies, flame me (Church Ladies in drag too!) I don’t respond to flames.


33 posted on 06/16/2008 7:27:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Clint Williams

Oh, goody, more blather based on the absurd notion that sexually mature human beings are children.

Punish the ‘bad teachers’ administratively for abuse of authority.

Age of consent should be 16, with Romeo and Juliette exceptions for participants close in age down to 14 (or maybe 13).

Probably every FReeper has grandparents, great-grandparents, or at least great-great-grandparent who were married at 16 or younger. Heck, Alexander the Great was leading his dad’s cavalry into battle at 15.

The notion that the law can make someone a child when biology says the opposite is the root of the problem.


34 posted on 06/16/2008 7:46:11 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: brytlea
If they can't process the adult behavior they are engaging in, why is it ok for them to have sex even with kids their own age?

It ain't.
35 posted on 06/16/2008 7:49:18 PM PDT by kenavi ("My mudder thanks you, my fodder thanks you, and Obama thanks you!")
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To: HawaiianGecko

Gee, cynical aren’t we? Think whatever you want, but it happens to be true.


36 posted on 06/16/2008 7:51:07 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Clint Williams

Hm...


37 posted on 06/16/2008 7:51:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: The_Reader_David

Levels of maturity differ. It’s not one size fits all.

As a society, we have decided on 18 for adulthood.

You can’t drink before then (in some states you wait till 21). No contract you sign is legal. You can’t join the military on your own. You can’t take out a loan or own a credit card. You can’t vote. You can’t be held responsible for a dependent. You have work restrictions. You are normally subject to juvenile court rather than adult court. You are subject to compulsory education. You can be subject to curfews and driving restrictions. You can’t own a gun. Even up to age 21, you can be claimed as a dependent. Others are legally required to pay for your support. Etc.

If you decide, as a minor, to have sex, you are risking STDs (both giving and receiving) and pregnancy (whether you use protection or not). Perhaps you will snort at this, but I believe you are risking emotional and spiritual damage, as well.

A woman who married a man who could provide for her at age 15 is NOT comparable to a 35 year old who bangs a junior in high school. How are they in the least bit equivalent?

Some may be “mature enough” at 16 - some may not be until they are 25 or never - we as a culture have settled on 18, and I don’t want it reduced by so much as one more year.

Whose interests would we serve by doing so? And why would you like to serve those interests?


38 posted on 06/16/2008 8:21:55 PM PDT by Marie2 (It's time for a ban on handgun bans)
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To: The_Reader_David
Heck, Alexander the Great was leading his dad’s cavalry into battle at 15.

Yes, but at that time in history, life expectancy for a male was 25-30 years old, so Alexander the Great was considered middle-aged at 15.

39 posted on 06/16/2008 8:37:52 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: Clint Williams

Not guilty!
All kidding aside though, the less attractive get the prison sentences.

40 posted on 06/16/2008 8:40:36 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Revolting cat!
...just check the threads here of the anti-sex obsessives...

Just did...Sorry, didn't find any.

Found a few posts about a guy imprisoning a woman for 14 years as a sex slave. Was that it? Found a few threads about child-sex trafficking in Mexico, perhaps that was it. Found a few about some 40+ year-old psychopath educator fostering a "relationship" with a 6th grader......

41 posted on 06/16/2008 8:41:43 PM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Damifino

You could try harder. But then, it’s really not worth the effort. Cheers.


42 posted on 06/16/2008 8:46:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Revolting cat!

You will the whip though!

43 posted on 06/16/2008 8:56:24 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Clint Williams

I was signed up for the phillyburbs.com email list, but the emails stopped arriving a few months ago.

I should use my bookmarks and go there more often.

On June 7 I emailed the story about the turkey in Bensalem attacking and injuring woman to the host of a hunting and fishing radio show in Baltimore. He used it twice, once each hour.


44 posted on 06/17/2008 6:06:21 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: Keith Brown

I, and some others, had the double post problem happen about 3X in a row a few weeks ago. No way we can all have that problem.

I reported the double posts to the mods and JR got back to me and told me my reports were double posting as well.

Wasn’t me or my computer, only place I had the problem was here.

Darn good thing it doesn’t happen when I post bets on horseraces, unless I win.


45 posted on 06/17/2008 6:12:15 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: Revolting cat!
I love how you call people names preemptively. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are a Church Lady. You could actually just be wrong. (I'm not making the argument against what you said, btw, just pointing out that you seem to be a little concerned that someone might actually disagree with you.) susie
46 posted on 06/17/2008 6:32:15 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Marie2

Some of the several states (oddly correlated with the most ‘liberal’ blue states) had decided on 18 as age of consent, others have the scheme I set forth, still others schemes in between. If it weren’t for the fact that Kansas has made a felony, rather than a basis for pulling a teaching certification, out of teacher/student sex, I’d say we have it right in Kansas.


47 posted on 06/17/2008 10:39:15 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Paved Paradise; ktscarlett66

i hear you! i have about 5-6 of them in my basement right now. my 16 yo son had a sleepover, which consists of drinking pepsi, eating pizza and chips, playing video games and staying up til three AM and sleeping til 1pm. I have known these boys since they were in kindergarten, the idea of a mother having sex with any of them is as sick as it comes.


48 posted on 06/17/2008 12:13:50 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Omg, have you been living in my house for the past week?!?!?! I’ve had my youngest (16, his brother is 21 and past the sleepover stage) plus a revolving number of his friends here constantly since school got out. They moved the playroom recliner into the living room and in the mornings, I have one kid in that, one curled up on the loveseat and two or three on the sleeper sofa. All snoring loudly and sprawled out with arms and legs in every direction. I’m thinking they haven’t even changed their clothes, they’re just exchanging them with each other! They have eaten anything that doesn’t move faster than them, drinking 2 gallons of milk a day and have probably logged 20 miles every day up and down the road with friends. They’ve also moved all the lawn furniture out front and have sat out there in the evenings, yelling “HELLO!” to every car that passes. I also discovered a huge pile of wet, mildewy towels on the back steps, so I have to assume they’ve been swimming every day.

Teenage boys - gotta love ‘em! At least I know what they’re doing!


49 posted on 06/19/2008 5:55:06 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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