Skip to comments.Was Obama's "Certificate of Birth" manufactured?
Posted on 06/17/2008 6:00:53 PM PDT by freespirited
The text on the Obama document is too prefect to be anything else but a forgery.
Now Compare Obama's with this unabashed photoshop and see how well it compares?
I read the analysis. How can you tell that it’s fraudulent? The supposition is that the State of Hawaii would not use such a method of producing the certificate, but there is nothing that demonstrates that the State of Hawaii does not use such a method. It’s purely supposition.
What they should have done is obtained a copy of another Hawaii birth certificate of the same era, and compared it.
Some states also had the word bas*ard on them if parents were not married- I have seen that on old BCs, where it asked for father’s name- don’t know when they quit doing that. Maybe long before 1961- but I don’t know- I saw it on certificates from the 1940s.
That’s what I’m talking bout!
The creation of the border alone shows its a fraud. But here’s a dirty secret. I looked at the one on Obama’s site and the one on Kos’, and someone re-aligned the border intersections on one, I can’t remember which. But I called it out the other day.
Not only that.. but how did the Daily Kos get it?
From the Hawaiian State Dept of Health
What Information You Should Be Prepared to Provide
An applicant/requestor must provide the information needed to 1) establish his/her direct and tangible interest in the record and 2) locate the desired record. This will normally include:
Applicant's name, address, and telephone number(s);
Applicant's relationship to the person named on the certificate;
Reason why you are requesting the certificate;
Full name(s) as listed on the certificate;
The certificates file number (if known); Month, day, and year of the event; and
City or town and the island where the event occurred. For birth certificates, also provide the full name of the father and the full maiden name of the mother.
If you are applying for a certificate on behalf of someone else, you must provide an original letter signed by that person authorizing the release of their certificate to you.
So if I am reading that right... Obama himself would have had to sign off on Kos getting the cert, and if he did not allow them to get it.. they could not have ever gotten it.
Wow - whats the kern frequency , Kevin.
Well, it means the piece of paper was in existence on that date on the back, so it was not recently requested and printed by Hawaii.
Granted, these could be interesting details, but they wouldn’t have any effect on the election. If, on the other hand, it could be proven he WASN’T born in Hawaii.....
I believe that the name is a residual from the original document that was used as the template for the forgery, and as such left there on purpose to give it some authenticity.
Which brings up an interesting possibility, was Barack Obama in Hawaii to get this document on the day marked on the backside?
If as we have been told they only issue these certifications to those that they are about wouldn’t Obama need to be there to get it?
There was no such supposition. States print out new birth certificates and certifications of live birth all the time. This is obviously a new document that was supposedly printed recently, June 2007 to be exact. All that is OK. What is not OK is that it appears to be a photoshopped image, not an image of a laser printout of a form document.
Just because they wouldn't make his eligibility for President questionable, I think there are many details that could effect the election. Obama lying about his background would be very significant.
Everything about Obama's existence is a gigantic deception, and its origin dates back to his birth.
I know that we will never see his real birth certificate because of the following possibilities:
1.) Obama was born under the name "Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama," "Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama," or something of that nature. Regardless, there may be a Mohammed in there somewhere.
2.) Obama was born under a name different from Barack Hussein to a normal name given by his mother. He or someone in his family may have changed his name during his Indonesian Muslim days to "fit in" with his fellow Mohammeds at the mosque/madrassa/whatever. This alteration of his name proves that he was raised Muslim, and is lying about that to everyone.
Either way, Obama is a pathological liar and that REAL birth certificate will never, EVER be available to the public.
Obama knows about the justifiable anger and distrust that many Americans have toward the Mohammedans in a post September 11, 2001 world.
That is why the lying worm hides his birth certificate. His entire life is one gigantic deception, and it starts with his first day on the planet.
Which one had the borders change I have a copy of the Kos One so it must be Obama’s?
If I understand this document issue properly, it is datestamped in 2007 to say that it was generated no earlier than 2007 to certify that a birth certificate is on file in Hawaii.
The question is:
1. Is this supposed to be a scanned image of physical certificate?
2. Is this a computer-generated JPG that never made it to paper, but posted on the web instead?
3. If it is a scanned image, a) was the certificate generated using computer graphics and printed to plain paper stock, or b) was the paper stock a form with all the graphics pre-printed and only the data fields added from the computer?
4. If it is a scanned image and was generated using computer graphics and printed to plain paper stock, why would it need the word "laser" on it? Doesn't "laser" on a form indicate that the form stock is intended for laser printers? If the form is blank and all the graphics are computer-generated, what purpose is served by indicating "laser" after the fact?
5. If it is a scanned image and the form was pre-printed with a border and nothing else but the bottom text (including "laser"), why don't the border grapics line up cleanly in the corners, as one would expect from a professional printer, instead of the overlapping slightly off border boxes on this document?
If the document and the date stamp on the back are legit then this document was requested from the state a year ago — when Obama’s hopes of the nomination were still extremely slim to none. Shrillary was supposed to be the annointed one. I doubt anyone but Obama’s own campaign would have been thinking about his birth certificate in June 2007..... or maybe the Clintonista opposition research?
OTOH, if the certificate is just a fraudulent mock-up then the date stamp could have been added recently to make it appear to have been issued a year ago?? But could the “date stamp in reverse” have been made to look like it had been machine-stamped on the back of a doc that has been created in Photoshop?? Anyone know?
I think only immediate family members could get a copy... unless you’re the Messiah from Hawaiiah.
The most logically reason to put this out to KOS is when it is discovered to be fake, at least the Obama camp can deny any responsibility for it. If the document was legit, there is no reason for Obama's camp not to officially release to some reliable media source. The release of this was damage control, but it was done in a manner that raises bigger questions.
Thanks. Makes sense what you say (and what about BHO’s father’s race listed as “African?”)...I do not think we’ve heard the last of this.
I think the exact document on KOS is on Obama’s site, too.
In 1961, Obama’s father’s race would have been listed as Negro.
But could the date stamp in reverse have been made to look like it had been machine-stamped on the back of a doc that has been created in Photoshop??
I could do that easily. reversing the text just means you create a mirror image and flip it upside down then removing portions to give it that stamped look.
Here is something I did for a Motorcycle site.
Believe it or not it is all in english but I flipped it and reversed it to make it appear to be in Korean or Chinese.
The people who produced this (apparently) fake document are certainly quite familiar with the Rathergate memo and all the analysis that went into exposing THAT cheap forgery. This forgery is much better, but still an obvious forgery. I suspect that this fake document was MEANT to be uncovered by internet warriors.
Personally, this looks to me like another one of those planted John Kerry/Alexandra Polier scandals. The rats plant fake scandals like seeds in order to innoculate themselves from the real scandals that they know will come up later.
All the artifacts you show from the BHO certificate look exactly like jpeg artifacts to my eyes.
Clearly (If I may use that expression!) the document was created on a computer printer from a State of HI database, and somebody along the way converted it from whatever original format, maybe a scan of the hard copy, into rather artifacted jpeg.
A photocopy of my own BC, made decades ago, was embossed with a stamp from the County Clerk, but they may not do that any more.
This is what has led me to believe that it is possible Obama is actually OLDER than he claims to be. If he were just three years older he would NOT be eligible to even run for the office of president because Hawaii wasn’t a state at that time.
Hey, it's a bunch of HI state bureaucrats, OK?
A wonder it would be if it were perfect!
In the hopes of course on muting the real scandals by a burn out factor as we have seen here with this one already...
These threads are attacked constantly by those that don’t want these things pursued, what are they going to do when a real scandal breaks ignore it as well?
And isn’t a deliberate forgery still a forgery even if it is meant to be exposed as such?
I'd thought of that, Obama doesn't exactly seem 46.
Please see my #92. Thanks.
That posting of a faked Certification of Birth is good enough for me...How about if the RNC takes this to court to ask the Court to determine whether Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States?..That would force Obama to produce his real birth certificate where it could be examined by experts..For all we know he may have been born in the Philippines or in Kenya and is therefore not a natural born US Citizen...The question of ‘natural born citizen’ has never been addressed by the Supreme Court directly..Still, it would be interesting to see where he was born and what proof he has to show...
The RNC should realize this is not to see who becomes head Scoutmaster but the President of the United States...
There is no doubt in my mind that the document is fake so the date would have to been altered to show he was a citizen of the United States and not a foreign country which Hawaii was in 1958 or sometime in 1959.
A candidate for POTUS has posted a fraudulent birth certificate on his campaign web site and no official from the state says a word?
I believe that Goldwater was born in the AZ territory in 1909 and was deemed okay to run for Pres. in 1964.
Not me, but if you go to the original site and read the 3rd comment down, the guy says he was in computer aided design and computer graphics fields and was a graphics designer without a computer. He agrees with the poster's research.
Wrong. If he was born in Hawaii in 1958, he would be eligible to be president, because Hawaii was an American territory at that time.
That's basically the same situation that pertained to Barry Goldwater, who was the GOP nominee for president in 1964. Goldwater was born in Arizona Territory in 1909. Arizona became a state in 1912. A court ruled that he was indeed a native-born citizen of the United States and satisfied the constitutional requirements to be president.
Thanks for the ping. Very interesting...
I just think that it should be taken to the next level, ie., find the source of this forgery and "follow the money". If the source can be traced to the B. Hussein Obama campaign, then THAT would require explanation.
....except that the "mainstream" Democrat news media is protecting Obama the way a mother protects a slow, clumsy child, so we couldn't count on them for any serious investigation.
I think both AuH2o’s parents were American citizens?
No, because he is not Negro-African.
He is 50% Caucasian, 43.75% Arab, and only 6.25% Negro-African. He doesn't have the lawful 12.5% Negro-African to legally claim to be African-American. Barak Hussein Obama is ARAB-AMERICAN.
That has to refer to the current document version. In this case, evidently the blank for version was created Nov 2001 for use on laser devices.