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McCain VP short list should be minus one (Crist)
Helvitorial.com ^ | June 13, 2008 | Alan Helvig

Posted on 06/18/2008 3:08:46 AM PDT by BigAlPro

John McCain's short list for VP assumedly still includes one name that should be scrubbed immediately. Florida Governor Charlie Crist is not worthy of the honor and McCain would be wise to drop him hard and fast.

Crist knowingly and deliberately violated the rules and bylaws of both the RNC and the DNC by holding Florida's presidential primary prior to February 5th, 2008. He is guilty of stealing votes from the citizens of Florida and needs to be held accountable, not rewarded.

It should not matter if you are a Republican, a Democrat or an Independent. Americans cannot allow our state legislatures and our governors to conspire to rob us of our electoral voice. Crist knew the party rules, he knew the consequences of his choice and yet, he still signed the bill which cost the Florida Democrats all of their delegates (until recently) and the Republicans one half of theirs. He was even given 30 days to change the date and he still chose to take his stand against the voters.

This act of election manipulation should be considered criminal, not commendable. The fact that he publicly denounced the DNC instead of accepting responsibility for his own failing is sad at best. The citizens of Florida did deserve to have their vote count, until he stole it from them. If he had any integrity, Crist would own up to his mistake and resign his post.

If McCain wants loser governors on his short list, he should add Governor Jennifer Granholm from Michigan. After all, she did the exact same thing to Michiganders that Crist did to Floridians. Like Crist, she conspired with her own legislature to steal the vote from her own people. Like Crist, she has blamed just about everyone but herself for defrauding her own citizens of their vote. If nothing else, she can blame her stupidity on being a liberal from Canada. What is Charlie's excuse?

Although the DNC finally caved and allowed delegates to be seated at the upcoming convention, the citizens of Florida and Michigan still have every right to be angry over losing their respective party delegates. The problem is, they are mad at the wrong people. They need to take this issue directly to the source, their own elected officials. They need to make sure their state governments don't defraud them again. Meanwhile, John McCain needs to make sure Charlie Crist stays in Florida to take his medicine.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008veep; crist; democratsbestfriend; election; electionpresident; elections; fl2008; gop; liberal; liberalagenda; liberalvalues; mccain; notadamandsteve; rino; vp
What is it going to take to get a true conservative back in the White House?
1 posted on 06/18/2008 3:08:46 AM PDT by BigAlPro
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To: BigAlPro

Plus, much talk has it that he’s “light in the loafers” which wouldn’t go over too big with most conservatives and evangelicals.


2 posted on 06/18/2008 3:13:33 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: BigAlPro

Sorry but I don’t think “party rules” trumps legislatures. There was more to the story in Florida than just changing to thwart party rules.

That being said...yeah, Crist is totally unacceptable as a VP choice.


3 posted on 06/18/2008 3:17:46 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: BigAlPro
What is it going to take to get a true conservative back in the White House?

1. Americans stop thinking emotionally.

2. Americans stop listening to NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NYT, WP, LT.

3. Americans start learning history and the Constitution.

4. Americans start turning off sports and stupid TV shows.

5. Americans learn that Chritians and Conservatives are not the enemy.

PS This is what we have been saying at the FreeRepublic since the beginning. So why do you ask the question?

4 posted on 06/18/2008 3:50:50 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: bmwcyle; BigAlPro; 2ndDivisionVet

>>>>>5. Americans learn that Chritians and Conservatives are not the enemy.

Conservatives and Republicans need to disavow their identification as a religious party.


5 posted on 06/18/2008 3:56:51 AM PDT by angkor (The Elephant In The Conservative/GOP Living Room isn't RINOs, it's The Religionists.)
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To: angkor

I see you are the problem. Take God out and you are nothing. You might grow up and learn that some day before it is too late.


6 posted on 06/18/2008 4:06:24 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: BigAlPro
Michigan and Florida had every right to try and bend the rules to get ahead of two states that have no business being the first in the nation to set the tone of the presidential races. Why a candidate needs to spend a ridiculous portion of their budget on Iowa and New Hampshire for a pitiful hand full of delegates just to get the MSM's attention is beyond me. Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo were pretty much out of it right away, and the rest of the field made me want out of it. Hopefully, the next election cycle will change due to Michigan and Florida going out on a limb in this one. Maybe it will take several more states to do the same thing. Something has to happen to make the process yield better candidates.

As far as McCain's inner circle of friends... none of them are fit for VP.

7 posted on 06/18/2008 4:14:02 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: bmwcyle

>>>>I see you are the problem. Take God out and you are nothing.

Our founders (not the leftists) repeatedly stressed the need to keep religion out of the political sphere.

The 30-year experiment of conflating conservatism and the GOP with Christianity is a monumental failure that sits right in front you, right now, with GOP presidential candidate McQueeg (D-AZ).

Thanks for inspiring my new tagline.


8 posted on 06/18/2008 4:20:29 AM PDT by angkor (Conservativism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: BigAlPro

Far as I can tell living a thousand miles from Florida, Crist has been a good governor. The gambit on the Florida primaries, supported overwhelmingly by both parties in the Fla legislature has been a pearl beyond price this primary season. I wouldn’t change a thing,

I wonder what this guy’s real complaint against Crist is. Whatever it is, I don’t think this unknown blogger is going to have much impact on the selection progress either way.


9 posted on 06/18/2008 4:35:20 AM PDT by tlb
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To: BigAlPro

Besides, Crist stood by and watched Terri Schiavo be starved and dehydrated to death. Crist - booo!


10 posted on 06/18/2008 4:55:34 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: tlb

I live here in Florida and I have mixed thoughts on Crist. I am not happy that he has bought into the global warming nonsense or his hardball approach to home insurance providers (which, predictably, has caused many to pack up and leave).

On the other hand, he has done very well in taking a chain saw to state and local property taxes. This has pissed off every municipal employee union and court house politician from Pensacola to Jacksonville to Key West, both Republican and Democrat.


11 posted on 06/18/2008 5:01:26 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: BigAlPro
What is it going to take to get a true conservative back in the White House?

It will take the dissolution of the GOP. The GOP is no longer a conservative party, they are statists just like their Democratic allies. There are very few in Congress who truly believe in limited government and constitutional principles - most just propose a Republican version of big government over a Democrtatic version of big government.

Where are the people calling for the closing of federal departments? Where are the people calling for the gradual phaseout of the income tax? Where are the people calling for massive rollbacks in regulation and spending? They certainly aren't anywhere near the forefront of the Republican Party.

So McCain can nominate whichever fake conservative he wants. Because deep down inside that nominee will be a statist just like McCain.

For the record I believe McCain will nominate Mark Sanford of SC, and Obama will nominate Kathleen Sebelius of KS.
12 posted on 06/18/2008 5:13:06 AM PDT by PastorTony
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To: BigAlPro

I agree that Crist should not be on the short list. I think he is a slime for interferring in the Republican Primary and endorsing McCain just 2 days before the important primary in his state. I think he should have thought about it and endorsed him in a more timely manner, and not manipulate people’s emotions.


13 posted on 06/18/2008 5:38:14 AM PDT by rodeo-mamma (They call her Hitlery for a reason.)
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To: angkor
The 30-year experiment of conflating conservatism and the GOP with Christianity is a monumental failure that sits right in front you

I am actually in agreement with your tagline, but I do want to comment on the statement you made. In the past 30 years, we have essentially owned the White House (except for Clinton), and have help majority of the House for almost the entire second half of that period. It is hard to say tying religion to politics has led to failure. I would say abandonment of small government ideas is what led to failure. We won the House in '94 of limited government and reform. We lost it when those ideas were forgotten.

14 posted on 06/18/2008 5:38:14 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper
We won the House in '94 of limited government and reform. We lost it when those ideas were forgotten.

Those ideas were forgotten immediately. Bill Kristol urged the new GOP Congress not to do anything major until the GOP took the White House in '96. Congress didn't do anything major and the conservative revolution of 1994 ended in 1994.
15 posted on 06/18/2008 5:51:20 AM PDT by PastorTony
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To: BigAlPro

Should McCain’s short list remain secret until Obama announces his VP candidate?


17 posted on 06/18/2008 7:01:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: BigAlPro
Guys:

Please Governor 'Orange Skin' is not gay. Just because he is unmarried is that he had a wife - and they divorced a year later. Some people aren't cut out for marriage, I was and the best thing I got from it are my kids. Never again, thanks.

18 posted on 06/18/2008 7:03:48 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (Psst... Serious questions Conservatives - want McCain or a Marxist in the White House?)
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To: angkor
>>>>>5. Americans learn that Chritians and Conservatives are not the enemy.

Conservatives and Republicans need to disavow their identification as a religious party.

How True!! I am not a CHURCH GOING CONSERVATIVE, I am not a SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE (which means I don't care what you do in the privacy of your bedroom , as long as it is legal.). I am a LIBERTARIAN Conservative - a small government, low tax person. Religion is not what I based my CANDIDATES on, that is why Huckleberry was not a choice for me - and he was a SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE, also.

19 posted on 06/18/2008 7:09:27 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (Psst... Serious questions Conservatives - want McCain or a Marxist in the White House?)
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To: bmwcyle; angkor
I see you are the problem. Take God out and you are nothing. You might grow up and learn that some day before it is too late.

BMW, you are wrong. I believe that is why the Republicans can't grow, and that is because of RELIGIOUS party. Sorry, I have to disagree with you - IT IS NOT ON THE PARTY MEMBERSHIP FORM To have a religious view.

20 posted on 06/18/2008 7:15:32 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (Psst... Serious questions Conservatives - want McCain or a Marxist in the White House?)
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To: EagleandLiberty

If the majority of Republican elected officials weren’t statists then their Christianity would have little if anything to do with their politics. The gay marriage issue, for example, wouldn’t be an issue if Republicans addressed it from the proper perspective i.e. does the government have any justification issuing licenses for marriage.


21 posted on 06/18/2008 8:32:39 AM PDT by PastorTony
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To: BigAlPro
"Crist knowingly and deliberately violated the rules and bylaws of both the RNC and the DNC by holding Florida's presidential primary prior to February 5th, 2008. He is guilty of stealing votes from the citizens of Florida and needs to be held accountable, not rewarded."

This is not a reason to not support Christ for a possible VP. There ar other reasons why he should be denied the position.As far as I can see he is just like so many of the rest of them ... a politician. For me his lack of character and his purely political nature should disqualify him.

The problem is and lies with the RNC and DNC and the power hungry politicians in charge. The RNC and DNC should not dictate to State government when they can do anything. It is a function, defined in State law, of the individual State legislatures to set election dates. The RNC and DNC have no business attempting to setting statute or interfere in the running of State government. That is why the citizens elect representatives, they don't want unelected persons telling them what to do.

We see the unelected dictating enough with SCOTUS ... do we really want the RNC and DNC to be the same? I think not. Their only function should be to hold their party conventions every 4 years.
22 posted on 06/18/2008 8:43:33 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: tlb

This unknown blogger lives in Michigan and suffered the loss of his vote, as did all Michiganders and Floridians at the hands of their Legislators and Governors. The motive is simple: NO ONE, not even the governor, has the right to defraud citizens of their right to vote and for that vote to count 100% at their respective convention. This is an issue of election fraud which should have all Americans concerned about their future votes.


23 posted on 06/18/2008 6:25:42 PM PDT by BigAlPro (Going green is just a fad. Don't be part of the problem, go blue!)
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