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Obama advisers say bin Laden can appeal to U.S. courts: YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!?!
Examiner ^ | 2008-06-18 07:00:00.0 | Bill Sammon, The Examiner

Posted on 06/18/2008 6:21:12 AM PDT by RaceBannon

Obama advisers say bin Laden can appeal to U.S. civilian courts

Barack Obama has expressed support for the Supreme Court’s decision in favor of civilian prosecution of terrorism suspects, and his advisers said Tuesday that if Osama bin Laden were captured, he too should face civilian prosecution. – AP Bill Sammon, The Examiner 2008-06-18 07:00:00.0 Current rank: # 13 of 6,452

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama’s foreign policy advisers said Tuesday that Osama bin Laden, if captured, should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts, a privilege opposed by John McCain.

Responding to questions from The Examiner, Sen. John Kerry and former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke said bin Laden would benefit from last week’s Supreme Court decision giving terrorism suspects habeas corpus, the right to appeal their military detention to civilian courts.

“If he were to be brought back,” Clarke said of bin Laden, “the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus.”

Kerry, who applauded the Supreme Court ruling, said it will be carried out by whichever candidate wins the presidency.

“The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that they have those rights,” he said. “If John McCain were president, he would have to give them those rights.”

Randy Scheunemann, McCain’s senior foreign policy adviser, said those rights should not be extended to bin Laden or the hundreds of terrorism suspects being held by the U.S. military at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

“The individuals we hold at Guantanamo are very, very dangerous people,” Scheunemann said. “To give them full access to the federal courts and the criminal justice system is fraught with danger, moving forward, and likely to make America less safe, unlike Senator Obama’s claim of supporting the decision that it made America safer.”

On Monday, Obama applauded the civilian prosecution of terrorists before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“In previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center — we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial,” he told ABC. “They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.”

Obama said President Bush has relied too heavily on military prosecution of terrorists, which has “given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Obama wants “to take a step back to the failed policies that treated terrorism solely as a law enforcement matter, rather than a clear and present danger. Barack Obama appears to believe that terrorists should be treated like criminals — a belief that underscores his fundamental lack of judgment regarding our national security.”

The attack sounded familiar to Kerry, who was the Democratic presidential nominee four years ago.

“This is exactly what they tried to say back in 2004, and the record absolutely contradicts it,” Kerry told The Examiner. “Every Democrat voted to go to war and attack the Taliban and al Qaeda, the people who attacked us. That is not a [legalistic] approach.”

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Obama advisers say bin Laden can appeal to U.S. civilian courts

Barack Obama has expressed support for the Supreme Court’s decision in favor of civilian prosecution of terrorism suspects, and his advisers said Tuesday that if Osama bin Laden were captured, he too should face civilian prosecution. – AP Bill Sammon, The Examiner 2008-06-18 07:00:00.0 Current rank: # 13 of 6,452

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama’s foreign policy advisers said Tuesday that Osama bin Laden, if captured, should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts, a privilege opposed by John McCain.

Responding to questions from The Examiner, Sen. John Kerry and former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke said bin Laden would benefit from last week’s Supreme Court decision giving terrorism suspects habeas corpus, the right to appeal their military detention to civilian courts.

“If he were to be brought back,” Clarke said of bin Laden, “the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus.”

Kerry, who applauded the Supreme Court ruling, said it will be carried out by whichever candidate wins the presidency.

“The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that they have those rights,” he said. “If John McCain were president, he would have to give them those rights.”

Randy Scheunemann, McCain’s senior foreign policy adviser, said those rights should not be extended to bin Laden or the hundreds of terrorism suspects being held by the U.S. military at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

“The individuals we hold at Guantanamo are very, very dangerous people,” Scheunemann said. “To give them full access to the federal courts and the criminal justice system is fraught with danger, moving forward, and likely to make America less safe, unlike Senator Obama’s claim of supporting the decision that it made America safer.”

On Monday, Obama applauded the civilian prosecution of terrorists before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“In previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center — we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial,” he told ABC. “They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.”

Obama said President Bush has relied too heavily on military prosecution of terrorists, which has “given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Obama wants “to take a step back to the failed policies that treated terrorism solely as a law enforcement matter, rather than a clear and present danger. Barack Obama appears to believe that terrorists should be treated like criminals — a belief that underscores his fundamental lack of judgment regarding our national security.”

The attack sounded familiar to Kerry, who was the Democratic presidential nominee four years ago.

“This is exactly what they tried to say back in 2004, and the record absolutely contradicts it,” Kerry told The Examiner. “Every Democrat voted to go to war and attack the Taliban and al Qaeda, the people who attacked us. That is not a [legalistic] approach.”

bsammon@dcexaminer.com

Examiner

1 posted on 06/18/2008 6:21:12 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Obama thinks Osama can do a couple of years in Club Fed, and then get a job teaching at a leftie university, just like his buddy Bill Ayers.
2 posted on 06/18/2008 6:22:27 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: RaceBannon

Before he gets bombed by a drone? Don’t think so.


3 posted on 06/18/2008 6:22:34 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: RaceBannon

Dead people can’t appeal to anything.


4 posted on 06/18/2008 6:22:39 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: RaceBannon; stowaway; jjm2111; Mrs.LoneGOPinCT; underbyte; badbackman; Bigfitz; mcswan; ...

If this doesn’t kill his chances, nothing will


5 posted on 06/18/2008 6:23:10 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: RaceBannon

I suspect, then, that Obama won’t be captured.


6 posted on 06/18/2008 6:23:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: RaceBannon
...his advisers said Tuesday that if Osama bin Laden were captured, he too should face civilian prosecution.

Don't just stand there, get Obama to say this too so he can't back away from it so easily.

7 posted on 06/18/2008 6:24:10 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Fido969
Obama thinks Osama can do a couple of years in Club Fed, and then get a job teaching at a leftie university, just like his buddy Bill Ayers.

Sadly, you are right. I've said before that what if someone made the same argument on Osama's behalf in the year 2041? They would say, just like Obama does, that "what happened 40 years ago doesn't matter anymore."

8 posted on 06/18/2008 6:24:36 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Fido969
If McCain was smart, he would make Obama's own words into an ad to play over and over and over again, mixed in with images of 9-11.

Of course, if the terrorists make it over the border, McCain is OK with giving them amnesty.

Here are the Senators who voted against the Cornyn amendment , which would have established a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals looking to snag a shamnesty visa. Republicans underlined:


9 posted on 06/18/2008 6:24:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: RaceBannon

Unbelievable!


10 posted on 06/18/2008 6:25:27 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: RaceBannon

Behold the “Winnie the Pooh” policy makers at work .... Johnny Mac needs to grab onto this one with both hands and run with it.


11 posted on 06/18/2008 6:25:29 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: RaceBannon

Of course, the only sane result from the Supreme Court’s insane ruling is to take no prisoners. Shoot them on the spot. It will save a lot of time and money.


12 posted on 06/18/2008 6:26:17 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: rhombus
I can see the defense now:

“the plane didn't fit, therefore you must acquit!”

sarc/

13 posted on 06/18/2008 6:26:19 AM PDT by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: mgc1122

“Johnny Mac needs to grab onto this one with both hands and run with it.”

You are soooooo right about this!


14 posted on 06/18/2008 6:26:49 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: RaceBannon

I think we should immediately rush to trial a top terrorist detainee. Before the general election.

Let the trial turn into an absolute Democrat comedy when the Islamofascists take it over with their chants, praises to Allah and “Bushisms”. Make it an absolute circus.

Then let’s see how quickly the Democrats rush to defend “their rights”.


15 posted on 06/18/2008 6:27:00 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Be careful! Communist ideas may give you brain cancer.)
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To: RaceBannon
Prosecutor: "Mr bin Laden, are you responsible for the deaths of 2000 innocent people?"
Defense: "Objection, irrelevant!!"
Judge: "Sustained."
16 posted on 06/18/2008 6:27:12 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RaceBannon
Expect to hear ‘This is not the Sen. John Kerry and former White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke I knew’ in the near future.
17 posted on 06/18/2008 6:27:27 AM PDT by McGruff (This is not the [your name here] I knew.)
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To: Fido969

I would bet that ANY captures high value target will remain a military secret until he has been thoroughly questioned and then quietly executed.


18 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: RaceBannon
“If he were to be brought back,” Clarke said of bin Laden, “the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus.”

If he's brought back, President Bush should have him hung from the South Portico of the White House, and leave the carcass there to rot.

19 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:20 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: RaceBannon

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20 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:23 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.americansolutions.com/ (Sign the DrillHereDrillNow petition))
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To: RaceBannon
“If he were to be brought back,” Clarke said of bin Laden, “the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus.”

If he's brought back, President Bush should have him hung from the South Portico of the White House, and leave the carcass there to rot.

21 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:34 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: RaceBannon
Obama...the enemy within.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

22 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: RaceBannon

Incredible. Do these people not realize the difference in focus between criminal prosecution and military action? That is, criminal prosecution is largely concerned with punishing acts which have already occurred and can be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt while military action is concerned with preventing future acts of war. While you can punish through the court system attempts at crimes and conspiracies, it is largely ineffective to prevent future acts. Try calling the cops if you suspect a crime will go down soon.

So now we have an assurance from the Obama Campaign that when my city is nuked and I am reduced to a shadow on the wall, the attackers will be prosecuted to the extent of international law. How comforting.


23 posted on 06/18/2008 6:28:58 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: RaceBannon

‘jus like an american gang banger.

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24 posted on 06/18/2008 6:29:22 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: RaceBannon

If he’s caught by ground troops, I hope someone has the foresight to put a bullet in his brain. Otherwise, we’ll have 5 years of pity parties in the US courts and media.


25 posted on 06/18/2008 6:30:18 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: RaceBannon
Obama said President Bush has relied too heavily on military prosecution of terrorists, which has “given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”

Yeah. It's BRush's fault. Now all the terrorist want to stay at Club Gitmo.

26 posted on 06/18/2008 6:30:49 AM PDT by McGruff (This is not the [your name here] I knew.)
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To: RaceBannon
Obama said President Bush has relied too heavily on military prosecution of terrorists, which has “given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”

Let The Idiot keep talking.

Personally, I'd treat those muslims a lot differently, something on the order of the treatment they gave Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg.

27 posted on 06/18/2008 6:31:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: RaceBannon

This is the opening gambit to allow detainees to sue the US for millions upon millions of dollars.

Lawyers will get rich -— just like the tobacco lawyers.

Taxpayers will be hit hard. It will tie up the courts forever -— but hey, we’ll get more and more multi-millionaire lawyers.


28 posted on 06/18/2008 6:31:34 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: VeniVidiVici
I think we should immediately rush to trial a top terrorist detainee. Before the general election.

entire case against the Toronto-born accused terrorist should be thrown out on grounds U.S. authorities have never told him of his rights.

29 posted on 06/18/2008 6:32:55 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: caseinpoint

Do you recall in the early days after 9-11, when Phil Donahue went on BOR and pleaded that instead of going to war with AQ in Afghanistan that we should “send in some international police to arrest the perpetrators”?

I think these loony libs want to replace all military action with ordinary police efforts and fight the WOT by sheer force of the badge, which of course strikes utter fear in the hearts of the most hardened terrorist.


30 posted on 06/18/2008 6:33:15 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Rush on McCain: "We're so screwed.")
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To: Rummyfan
Personally, I'd treat those muslims a lot differently, something on the order of the treatment they gave Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg.

A piece of lead takes less effort.

31 posted on 06/18/2008 6:33:45 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: RaceBannon
I think that, if he were to be tried here in the states, he should have to at least run the gauntlet to get into the courtroom...
32 posted on 06/18/2008 6:34:21 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: RaceBannon

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33 posted on 06/18/2008 6:35:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks for the ping, Race.

This guy might interest you...

Other entities deserving inclusion would be global media outlets (al Jazeera, the BBC, CNN), militias (Hamas, Hezbollah, the Mahdi Army, the Taliban), political parties, religious institutions and movements, terrorist organizations (al Qaeda), drug cartels,...

...more from visionary /SARCASM Richard N. Haass...here...

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080501faessay87304/richard-n-haass/the-age-of-nonpolarity.html


34 posted on 06/18/2008 6:36:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: al_c

On the other hand worms find them appealing.


35 posted on 06/18/2008 6:36:36 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: RaceBannon
Behold the Messiah, he cometh to bring His brand of Peace upon Earth. He will giveth unto the terrorists. No just war will he wage, even to the point of thy cities burning and thy children, even those outside the womb, are slaughtered You will obey.

< \CULT>
36 posted on 06/18/2008 6:37:09 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: purpleraine

The “Free Mumia” crowd will glom on to him.


37 posted on 06/18/2008 6:38:54 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: RaceBannon
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Obama wants "to take a step back to the failed policies that treated terrorism solely as a law enforcement matter, rather than a clear and present danger. Barack Obama appears to believe that terrorists should be treated like criminals — a belief that underscores his fundamental lack of judgment regarding our national security."

I am convinced that Muslim extremists see in B Hussein Obama a return not just to the failed policies of Clinton, but the disasters of Jimmy Carter. As such, I think they will, should B Hussein Obama be elected, launch an attack on a US interest within days of an Obama inauguration.

Sort of the inverse of Iran releasing US hostages in the days immediately before Reagan took office.

38 posted on 06/18/2008 6:39:24 AM PDT by twntaipan (NOBAMA! Say No to B.O.!)
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To: RaceBannon
Oh, it worked SO well, before 9/11. If only those mean Republicans hadn't won the 2000 election, we'd all be sing Kumbya with old Binnie and all his buddies in Gitmo right now.

I'm going to throw up now

39 posted on 06/18/2008 6:40:26 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: RaceBannon
THAT DOES IT!!!.....HERE'S YOUR SIGN...

He's a plant. He's doesn't put his hand on his heart (it's NOT automatic to him), he makes a big deal--like he's proud NOT to wear a pin representing all this Country has gone through, he spends over 20 years in a church that teaches their young that white people are bad, AND he spent a good deal of his youth being brought up Muslim. Don't be fooled!

40 posted on 06/18/2008 6:41:12 AM PDT by NordP ((Rev Wright ) - Hey, Obama... Looks like YOUR "turrr-key" has come hoooome to ROOOOST!)
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To: massgopguy

Maxine Waters will write a letter explaining why he shouldn’t be extradited.


41 posted on 06/18/2008 6:41:25 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: kittymyrib
You're right...there's always that silver lining. ;-)
42 posted on 06/18/2008 6:43:18 AM PDT by NordP ((Rev Wright ) - Hey, Obama... Looks like YOUR "turrr-key" has come hoooome to ROOOOST!)
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To: Rummyfan
Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”

Defending his Muslim brothers I see. I read recently that terrorists now figure the benefit to hitting us isn't worth the trouble they'll get for doing it.

43 posted on 06/18/2008 6:44:11 AM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Rummyfan

Too bad you can only hang the guy once...(and Bush just might be the only Pres with the huevos to do so)...I’d like him to go on “tour” around the nation.


44 posted on 06/18/2008 6:46:55 AM PDT by NordP ((Rev Wright ) - Hey, Obama... Looks like YOUR "turrr-key" has come hoooome to ROOOOST!)
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To: caseinpoint
Incredible. Do these people not realize the difference in focus between criminal prosecution and military action?

No. They still believe that international terrorism is just another crime to be prosecuted like auto theft and shoplifting. They still do not see it as a serious national security issue.
45 posted on 06/18/2008 6:46:55 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NordP

EXACTLY\\I am too certain that Obama is here to destroy this country and he right now is the biggest threat to our survival and the security of this country.

every time I see an Obama sticker though it’s not many here where I live thank Goodness I question the person about his racist church, his friendship with bill Ayers, his typical white people comment or his greedy white folk comment, or even n his small town America comment.

Most have never heard about them all they have heard is change, change change
point out Hitler changed Germany, the communist changed eastern Europe they just look dumbfounded

One never even knew about his friendship with Bill Ayers and thought I was making it up

Obama voters have to be the most dumbest voters this country has ever produced


46 posted on 06/18/2008 6:52:02 AM PDT by manc (a natural normal marriage is between a man and a woman a sham perv unnatural marriage is what Ma has)
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To: RaceBannon

Ah, something tells me that John Kerry is about to lose another election!

Seriously, what kind of crap is the Obamessiah trying to pull when he talks about change, and then picks foreign policy advisors who backed the Iraq War, and in one case (Clarke) gave us the best ratiale for invading by assessing that bin Laden would “boogie to Baghdad” if he lost his current digs?


47 posted on 06/18/2008 6:52:04 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: RaceBannon

Obama would probably like to sit down with Osama and ask him why he hates us so much, and what can he and we as a country do to repair our relationships with radical islam. I can hear Obama now, “Osama, can’t we all just get along.”


48 posted on 06/18/2008 6:52:09 AM PDT by moose2004 (y)
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To: Jeff Head

bumper sticker

Osama for Obama

at least this slogan is true unlike the libs who lie with theres.

Hamas has said they want him Hizbullah has said they can work with him, Irans leader has said he would be good for America

speaks volumes when our enemies are rooting for him and some simpletons in this country do not see it


49 posted on 06/18/2008 6:54:47 AM PDT by manc (a natural normal marriage is between a man and a woman a sham perv unnatural marriage is what Ma has)
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To: manc

That’s the way it works best...the terrorists know to prey on the ignorant and the stupid.


50 posted on 06/18/2008 6:55:16 AM PDT by NordP ((Rev Wright ) - Hey, Obama... Looks like YOUR "turrr-key" has come hoooome to ROOOOST!)
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