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HYBRID VEHICLE OWNERS REPORT ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS... strong electromagnetic currents!
ncpa.org ^ | June 19, 2008

Posted on 06/19/2008 1:44:33 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

Purchasers of hybrid vehicles, which are subsidized by the federal government and championed by environmental activists as a way to reduce gasoline consumption, are trading in their vehicles because of health fears concerning electromagnetic fields created by the hybrid batteries, says John Dale Dunn, a policy advisor for the American Council on Science and Health.

As noted in an April 27 article in the New York Times:

Some hybrid vehicle owners are complaining of a variety of health problems allegedly caused by strong electromagnetic currents from the cars' batteries. Reported ailments and concerns include rising blood pressure, drowsiness behind the wheel and higher leukemia risks. Various agencies, including the National Institutes of Health and the National Cancer Institute, acknowledge the potential hazards of long-term exposure to a strong electromagnetic field (E.M.F.), and have done studies on the association of cancer risks with living near high-voltage utility lines. Drivers who have given up their hybrids have reportedly documented "dangerously high" electromagnetic fields, leading them to conclude driving the vehicles is not worth risking blood for oil. This issue illustrates the double standard regarding environmental activists, says H. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis.

"Environmental activists routinely use the Precautionary Principle as a weapon against technologies and products they do not like," Burnett explains. "They assert that until and unless a product they oppose can be definitively proven to be safe, the product must be banned. Now, however, when consumers and some scientists assert that one of the activists' pet products may be causing serious health harms, the activists act like they have never heard of the Precautionary Principle."

Source: John Dale Dunn, "Hybrid Vehicle Owners Report Adverse Health Effects," Heartland Institute, July 1, 2008; and Jim Motavalli, "Fear, but Few Facts, on Hybrid Risk," New York Times, April 27, 2008.

For text:

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23393

For Times text:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/automobiles/27EMF.html

For more on Environment Issues:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=31


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; health; hybrids; transportation
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To: Doohickey
I had to go ask my wife about this one. She’s a paramedic. She said, “Pure, unadulterated bunk”. I cleaned that quote up a bit.

Facts never stopped the "stuck-on-ignorant" contingent from babbling on about "battery replacement costs" and "toxic waste disposal fees" at end of life cycle...

151 posted on 06/19/2008 7:01:14 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Are you going to pop it with your cellphone?

Well... yeah!

I will get into my Prius, start it and call someone on my cell phone.

Who needs a microwave?

152 posted on 06/19/2008 7:05:26 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: mo
No. They go here!
153 posted on 06/19/2008 7:10:47 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: RFEngineer
So where did you get your degree?

Glad you asked.

I don't need no stinkin' degree.
I are a liberal.

154 posted on 06/19/2008 7:11:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: TonyInOhio
If you're gonna drive a hybrid, you gotta wear the hat:

You need the matching outfit!


155 posted on 06/19/2008 7:14:46 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Ummmm.
OK.
156 posted on 06/19/2008 7:14:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Blueflag
*IF* all people replace conventional vehicles at end of useful life with hybrids, that’ll be a good thing.

Define 'end of usesful life'.

Yes. It runs and it's sitting in my driveway.

It also averages around 25 mpg.

157 posted on 06/19/2008 7:18:45 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I have nothing pithy to add, other than...

BWAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAA! :)


158 posted on 06/19/2008 7:20:14 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Publius6961

“I don’t need no stinkin’ degree.
I are a liberal.”

“Comparing a 200-volt DC system with High-voltage AC transmission lines (500,000v) requires a very advanced degree in stupid...”

Well I hereby grant you an honorary “very advanced degree in stupid” (VADIS) in electrical engineering.

Congratulations.


159 posted on 06/19/2008 7:30:21 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: shibumi

SLIder ping.


160 posted on 06/19/2008 7:32:33 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Nachoman

“And what are all of us sitting just inches away from?”

LCDs.


161 posted on 06/19/2008 7:41:21 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: steve86

>> or head winds! <<

My sister drove a geo. God help you if you do run into a headwind. Bwahaha


162 posted on 06/19/2008 7:45:22 PM PDT by dangus
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To: DoughtyOne

>> I don’t have any ringing in my years and there haven’t been any unusual growths poping up LOL. <<

And I have absolutely no decrease in cognitive functions, such as spelling. I have been driveing this car four yeers, and iff i wuz going to hav probblims dey wud hav shone up bi now.


163 posted on 06/19/2008 7:49:14 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Nachoman

>> And what are all of us sitting just inches away from? <<

It ain’t a cathode ray tube, anymore! Besides, they began shield CRT monitors after the 1980s air traffic controllers’ strike.


164 posted on 06/19/2008 7:51:22 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Balding_Eagle

LOL


165 posted on 06/19/2008 7:51:52 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Gorzaloon

“Can it get stupider?”

They are proving each day; it can.


166 posted on 06/19/2008 7:53:08 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: dangerdoc
Does your neighbor know about the extension cord?
167 posted on 06/19/2008 7:55:38 PM PDT by kitchen (Any day without a fair tax thread is a good day.)
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To: SE Mom
Can it get stupider?

Combat Mom, that's "STAY STUNED."

168 posted on 06/19/2008 8:00:25 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (GOP Plank: Pump MORE US Crude--2Xrefining capacity -- Coal /METHANOL fuel-- Build Nukes)
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To: Salamander

Just wrap me up in a strong EM field, with a GPS, an RFID and a Blackberry wired into my head, playing CNN soundbites in between phone calls - going through the drive-thru at McDonald’s .....

That’s what I call LIVING!


169 posted on 06/19/2008 8:02:56 PM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: MNJohnnie

Nah, they want us in hybrids so when we’ve finally had enough we can’t drive fast enough to catch the very rich off environmental ripoffs bad guys who are driving much, much fancier and much much faster cars.

Of course, we will be lucky enough to see hybrids since we will be living in a stone age third world country.


170 posted on 06/19/2008 8:05:16 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: driftdiver

And every person that has ever eaten carrots will die... :)


171 posted on 06/19/2008 8:05:54 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

A truly electrifying article. All one can say is ohm my god.


172 posted on 06/19/2008 8:08:48 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let all Democrats have a half vote. They deserve it!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

This is really shocking, but I am sure that people will get a charge out of it. Some might find it revolting, but it is a lesson in current events. It may try people’s capacitance for inductance into the Punning Hall of Fame.


173 posted on 06/19/2008 8:17:22 PM PDT by punster
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To: norwaypinesavage
Engine crews ... I'll bet they're all sick.

Sick enough that they can't even drive the damned things without having to have rails to steer it for them!

174 posted on 06/19/2008 8:18:42 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: InvisibleChurch

175 posted on 06/19/2008 8:22:31 PM PDT by pke
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To: RFEngineer
Every kid who ever built an “electromagnet” for the science fair can explain it to you. Maybe you should ask one, if you don’t believe me.

You mean that 6V lantern battery I used way back when wasn't an AC battery? That why they called a B-cell?

Maybe I should have used an A-cell and a C-cell in series-parrallel to get the A-C current he says I needed for the electromagnet?

Maybe he better not ask me about electrisicals, since it do seem I are con-fuse, rather than pro-fuse. All I ever do is breaker things when I play with them.

176 posted on 06/19/2008 8:31:27 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: kinghorse

I guess these morons don’t realize that every car has an alternator (generator) generating a significant electromagnetic field greater than any of these batteries - thus not only charging the battery but also running all the electrical devices on the car as well.

Also the distributor (dynometer) actually generates very high DC current (and the associated electromagnetic field) to cause an arc across the spark plugs, thus igniting the fuel/air mix to cause combustion, thus making the engine work.

I doubt that a hybrid generates significantly higher electromagnetic current than any other car.

These people need to get a life.


177 posted on 06/19/2008 8:35:53 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: TonyInOhio

Yes, but are you wearing your Van Allen belt?


178 posted on 06/19/2008 8:44:07 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (H2OLY: The chemical formula for holy water.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the ping!


179 posted on 06/19/2008 9:08:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dysart; Enterprise; Rennes Templar; Roscoe Karns

“I have long understood that high breads run on yeast, not some fancy combination of fossil fuel and electric power.”


Far too many in politics rise on half-baked theories, and if you know on which side your bread is buttered, boy do they know how to spread it on thick...


180 posted on 06/19/2008 9:08:35 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: RFEngineer

Bang! Bang! Maxwell’s silver hammer
Came down upon his head.


181 posted on 06/19/2008 9:43:52 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
“I have long understood that high breads run on yeast, not some fancy combination of fossil fuel and electric power.”

That's exactly watt I would theorize.

182 posted on 06/19/2008 10:06:19 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let all Democrats have a half vote. They deserve it!)
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To: Dysart

Yeah, maybe if they would sink some more ‘dough’ into it, we could get a ‘rise’ in our mileage, and have some more ‘bread’ left in our pockets.


183 posted on 06/19/2008 10:19:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: Gorzaloon
Just to add my $0.02.....

Electromagnetic fields are created by alternating current (AC) like the 110 in your house, or more readily the radio frequency RF generated by radios, TV transmitters, radars, cell phones, etc. In fact, radio “waves” ARE electromagnetic fields.

Batteries produce direct current (DC) and do not give off electromagnetic fields. Maybe there is some EMF from the electric motors on these cars, but it would be negligible.

My background? 30 years as an electronics tech.

184 posted on 06/20/2008 3:35:07 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: dangerdoc

I save fuel, though not as much as with a hybrid, by driving my 69 VW.

And I have no car payments!


185 posted on 06/20/2008 3:37:42 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

That was a pun, and “Pun” spelled backwards is “NuP”, so that is a “a nup” out of you! :-)


186 posted on 06/20/2008 6:11:07 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: InvisibleChurch
hehe...the guy/gal, wearing the red shirt.
187 posted on 06/20/2008 6:13:31 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by cinos :)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Apparently this phenomenon is NOT widespread, as the market for used hybrids is very very strong — used hybrids are not cheap.


188 posted on 06/20/2008 6:37:30 AM PDT by webschooner (Bumper Sticker: "None of the Above, 2008")
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To: mikey_hates_everything
"But after all of these years and millions of people who ride subways every day that run on around 750VDC, the hybrid cars on 200-300VDC systems are causing the problems. Right.

Not to mention the Northeast Corridor from Washington to Boston, some of Metro North, and much of the Philly Suburban Electrics operate off 11,500 VAC..

Hmm on the other hand... Liberals... Northeast....could THIS be the problem????

189 posted on 06/20/2008 7:05:09 AM PDT by drc43 (NO Drilling for prosperity!!....Nancy Pelosi)
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To: dangerdoc

Well I congratulate you on the savings then. We’re fortunate enough to not have a daily commute or a high non-business mileage burden.

When it comes time to buy a new vehicle, I really do *want* the AWD Escape hybrid. It won’t have to make economic sense to me — it’s what I want. That’s a small part of the American dream ;-) Not sure I’ll get the full ‘green’ package though — just the full-zoot stereo and the moon roof.

Last note — a very conservative friend of mine has a Prius and loves it. He likes the torque (also drives a Corvette).


190 posted on 06/20/2008 7:40:09 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: MNJohnnie
Since the average saving of the hybrid drivers over is something like $.12 a mile your wife must be driving about 3300 miles a month.

Exactly. Or her previous vehicle was a Peterbilt.

191 posted on 06/20/2008 7:44:17 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: fredhead

My vehicle does not get the miliage that I really need, I commute 90 miles a day, but it is paid off. It does not make economic sense to change at this time.

So yes, I understand your position.


192 posted on 06/20/2008 8:45:51 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; writer33; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; NormsRevenge; tubebender; ...
This just HAS to be the righteous truth!!! If my peanut whistle cell phone is creating tumors in my brain, or on my waist line, then these huge electromagnetic currents just HAVE to be filling my entire body with terrible tumors and torment!!!

Somebody call the Nanny GovernMental COPS!!!

193 posted on 06/20/2008 10:15:10 AM PDT by SierraWasp (No fool like an old fool! Juan McGore, the Republican McMaverick hates the media's challenging!!!)
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To: Redleg Duke

Ewwwwwwwwwwww!!! That was 2/3rds of a PUN!!! (PU)


194 posted on 06/20/2008 10:36:58 AM PDT by SierraWasp (No fool like an old fool! Juan McGore, the Republican McMaverick hates the media's challenging!!!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

They must mean the engine.

The magnetic fields from the engine dwarf the batteries.


195 posted on 06/20/2008 10:40:22 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: B Knotts

Chevy Trailblazer. It got worse mpg than the 4wd Suburban that we had before.

When you are going from 13 mpg to 31 mpg, and drive over 2000 miles a month, the savings are dramatic.


196 posted on 06/20/2008 11:50:15 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: CougarGA7

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat


197 posted on 06/20/2008 12:18:54 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: InvisibleChurch
Purchasers of hybrid vehicles, which are subsidized by the federal government United States Taxpayers and championed by environmental activists as a way to reduce gasoline consumption, are trading in their vehicles because of health fears concerning electromagnetic fields created by the hybrid batteries, says John Dale Dunn, a policy advisor for the American Council on Science and Health.
198 posted on 06/20/2008 12:29:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Some hybrid vehicle owners are complaining of a variety of health problems allegedly caused by strong electromagnetic currents from the cars' batteries. Reported ailments and concerns include rising blood pressure, drowsiness behind the wheel and higher leukemia risks.

No; those symptoms are typical of buyers remorse; after realizing you'll NEVER save any money with this stupid purchase!

199 posted on 06/20/2008 12:31:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

“I have long understood that high breads run on yeast...”

That’s the understanding that’s been ingrained in me.


200 posted on 06/20/2008 12:39:14 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ( Est deus in nobis)
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