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HYBRID VEHICLE OWNERS REPORT ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS... strong electromagnetic currents!
ncpa.org ^ | June 19, 2008

Posted on 06/19/2008 1:44:33 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
They are all driving standard SUVs; it is other people they want to force into hybrids.

vaudine

51 posted on 06/19/2008 2:13:07 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: Brilliant
"They have know idea what an electromagnetic field is. "

I do...I do! An electromagnetic field is a pasture where you allow electromagnets to graze and grow strong!

52 posted on 06/19/2008 2:14:46 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: steve86
None of them are still alive to make the report.

Seriously, not everyone with a pacemaker is old. I have a friend who got one in his 40s. Microwaves generally don't bother pacemakers anymore because newer models have better shielding, but large industrial motors have enough of a magnetic field to affect pacemakers.

53 posted on 06/19/2008 2:14:48 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

The way I see it, they haven’t found any adverse health effects from an MRI machine (which has one kickass EMF),

so a few electric motors and generators sitting several feet away from you aren’t going to cause any appreciable adverse health effects.


54 posted on 06/19/2008 2:16:07 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Most hybrid vehicle owners are complaining of problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety...

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Marijuana

But these are symptoms whose etiology also causes hybrid vehicle owners to purchase their cars in the first place. It also causes them to get all paranoid about the Earth overheating- like 2 degrees man, over the next century, dude! Right before they get the munchies.

55 posted on 06/19/2008 2:18:09 PM PDT by Lamchops
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To: Amelia

I have a step daughter who got a pacemaker at age 1.

The joke was that the car killed them, nothing to do with their age.


56 posted on 06/19/2008 2:18:11 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Doohickey

sorry I should of asked your wife instead of these fools,http://www.medlaw.com/healthlaw/EMS/3_4/hybrid-vehicles-pose-dang.shtml


57 posted on 06/19/2008 2:19:01 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: dangerdoc
My 2002 Ford Ranger XLT 2.3 gets 29 on the highway. (manual trans) It cost less than $15,000. (you can get the no-frills model for less than $11,000)

Seems to me, the hybrids ‘should’ do much better.

58 posted on 06/19/2008 2:19:18 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: dangerdoc

“Aluminum foil seat covers.”

Great idea! That way you could bake a potato in the passenger seat, and it would be ready to eat by the time you left work! (Unless, of course, you work third shift!):)


59 posted on 06/19/2008 2:20:23 PM PDT by GWMcClintock (The last thing the US needs is B.O.!)
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To: pennboricua

Everything you read the iNTeRNeT is always true. Tell you what. I’ll call my buddy who is a firefighter and get back to you with his answer.


60 posted on 06/19/2008 2:22:01 PM PDT by Doohickey (SSN: One ship, one crew, one screw.)
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To: Gaffer

Yeah, I am seriously intrested in a hybrid for my next car but the savings just aren’t there as far as I can tell. You merely transfer costs.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4930471


61 posted on 06/19/2008 2:22:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: wolfcreek

And as I always say on these threads, my 1990 Geo Metro gets 52 or 53 MPG at a steady 55, assuming no big hill climbs or head winds!


62 posted on 06/19/2008 2:26:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Laywers - start your engines!


63 posted on 06/19/2008 2:27:52 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: dangerdoc

I’d suggest taking out a large life insurance policy on her based on this story.

Just tell her you love her if she asks why.


64 posted on 06/19/2008 2:27:55 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: RetiredArmy

And use your cell phone in your hybrid and you are just asking for your head to explode instantly.


65 posted on 06/19/2008 2:28:41 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: InvisibleChurch
Some hybrid vehicle owners are complaining of a variety of health problems allegedly caused by strong electromagnetic currents from the cars' batteries. Reported ailments and concerns include rising blood pressure, drowsiness behind the wheel and higher leukemia risks.

And how did they experience the symptom of "higher leukemia risks"?

And did they measure their blood pressure while driving? Wouldn't that tend to raise your blood pressure?

Now, if you fell asleep at the wheel, and were looking for an excuse, I guess this one's as good as any. Someone might buy it, even though the measured EM field inside a Prius is not a real issue.

I wonder if any of these drivers has a car compass?

66 posted on 06/19/2008 2:28:56 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MrB

“The way I see it, they haven’t found any adverse health effects from an MRI machine (which has one kickass EMF),”

Are you sure? From what I’ve heard a lot of the people who go into an MRI are found to have some severe health problems.


67 posted on 06/19/2008 2:30:10 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: pennboricua

Only if they are not trained. Otherwise they would know that they cannot get zapped prying the doors open, or frankly get zapped doing anything else with the car, other than unplugging the power cable and sticking metal blades into the plug.

Even if the battery was somehow shorted to the car, it wouldn’t be grounded, and there would be no danger.

Just as current cars have one battery wire connected to the metal frame, but you can’t even get the tiniest little shock touching the car, even though if you short out the battery you can melt through a screwdriver.


68 posted on 06/19/2008 2:31:57 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: InvisibleChurch

But after all of these years and millions of people who ride subways every day that run on around 750VDC, the hybrid cars on 200-300VDC systems are causing the problems. Right.


69 posted on 06/19/2008 2:32:59 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Melinda

Yes, if there was any truth to this, there would need to be a warning. There is no warning required.


70 posted on 06/19/2008 2:33:23 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: InvisibleChurch
BACK TO THE FUTURE !
71 posted on 06/19/2008 2:33:45 PM PDT by traumer
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To: CharlesWayneCT

i know you cannot believe everything in the iNtErNet,but http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/automobiles/18HYBRID.html


72 posted on 06/19/2008 2:35:39 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: RetiredArmy
Hawww hawww hawwwwwww!!!

Compare and contrast this with cel phones, flourescent bulbs in the office, high tension wires overhead, and some etcetera's.

Congress will have to pass a bill demanding insulated seats ... 'cause they damn sure ain't gonna' repeal any laws that squeezes the manufacturers for 'protection' money.

73 posted on 06/19/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

...and what happens if they talk on their cell phones while driving the hybrid? Will their head explode??


74 posted on 06/19/2008 2:36:12 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Can it get stupider?

It usually does, doesn't it?


Actually, they can. After all, they are part of the crowd that likes to be scared and like to scare others about made-up environmental issues, such as "global warming".

But, since they are so easily duped, why don't we start a rumor about how the electric and hybrid cars, because of all their batteries and wires, are like lighting rods which attract lighting bolts in thunderstorms. That'll really scare them out of their hybrids.
75 posted on 06/19/2008 2:36:56 PM PDT by adorno
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To: InvisibleChurch

pure garbage.


76 posted on 06/19/2008 2:37:33 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I like the way you think!


77 posted on 06/19/2008 2:37:33 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: PGR88

See 74—I did not see your post before i posted mine. Swear.


78 posted on 06/19/2008 2:39:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
higher leukemia risks

This is a set-up for a lawsuit, nothing more.  Obviously, there is no such existing condition that manifests itself as "higher leukemia risks."  This is tantamount to me saying, "If I put on some Brut (by Faberge), I have a higher risk of my wife giving me a certain type of job tonight."  Not likely, and actually, ridiculous.  Chief Complaint: Higher leukemia risks.  Call yer frickin' lawyer, not the doctor.

79 posted on 06/19/2008 2:39:10 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (I am the town square.)
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To: Gaffer

If you have a question, you should ask me.

The answer is easy. We have three children and live at the end of a minimally maintained road on top of a hill in an area that gets frequent snow.

A honda accord would be useless to us. She used to buy over 200 gallons of gasoline a month in her old SUV. She now drives a hybrid SUV that gets over twice the MPG.

You’re right, if you don’t mind driving an econobox, a hybrid does not make sense. We needed 4 wheel drive, room for five plus two dogs and did not want to go broke filling the tank.

Honestly, if you did not believe me, why did you not address your post to me?


80 posted on 06/19/2008 2:39:30 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Publius6961

Are you going to pop it with your cellphone?


81 posted on 06/19/2008 2:41:12 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Gorzaloon
Can it get stupider?

I don't know but when I was walking past the local law offices of Shyster, Pillage and Robb, I heard someone chanting, "Grandma Toyota what deep pockets you have!!!"

82 posted on 06/19/2008 2:44:17 PM PDT by JimSEA (Kaffur and proud of it.)
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To: Gaffer

If you drive 3000 miles a month, and get 34 miles to the gallon, you are using 88 gallons a month, which is about 360 dollars a month at $4 a gallon.

If you drove an SUV that got 20 mpg, your cost would be $600 a month.

If you drove a Prius that got 50 mpg, your cost would be $240 a month, for a savings over a 20-mpg care of $360, but a savings over a 34mpg car of only $120.

Because was do miles-per-gallon, and not gallons-per-mile, it’s hard for people to compare actual costs. If you drive a 20-mpg car and switch to a 30-mpg car, you will save a LOT more money than if you switch from a 30-mpg car to a 50-mpg car.

On the other hand, I know people who drive more than 3000 miles per month.


83 posted on 06/19/2008 2:44:34 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: wolfcreek

Automatic transmission, 4 wheel drive and the EPA emissions requirements limit the MPG.

My wife likes leather seats and all of the gadgets. We weren’t looking for a hybrid when we were shopping, it just turned out to be the most economical choice out of all the vehicles she was interested in driving. It actually cost a lot less than the Suburu wagon she thought she wanted, got better miliage, and was larger.

For me there was no hybrid up charge.


84 posted on 06/19/2008 2:47:53 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: pennboricua

Nothing in your linked article says anything about EMS being afraid, anything about using the jaws of life, or any specific fear abour electrocution.

There is EMS training for working with Hybrids. There is a danger in a car fire because of the batteries, you have to be careful and use the right extinguishing chemicals.

One problem is the car can be “running” but the engine not moving. When manufacturers first came out with the electric motor cooling fans, EMS needed a warning because they could be reaching into the engine area and the fan blades could suddenly turn on.

Well, with the Prius, the car is running and the engine might fire up at any time — so they need to ensure the car really is off.


85 posted on 06/19/2008 2:51:41 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: traumer

Now that should have a warning sticker on it.


86 posted on 06/19/2008 2:52:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SJSAMPLE

270,000 miles on my 98 Lumina and still going strong.
Been paid off for years and it was a 1 year lease return when I bought it.I’m going to drive it until it dies.


87 posted on 06/19/2008 2:54:19 PM PDT by HP8753 (Live Free!!!! .............or don't.)
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To: Blueflag

She drives over 2000 miles a month. Her Trailblazer got WORSE miliage that the Suburban we had previously. I haven’t put pencil to paper with the new gas prices, we many be saving more than $400 a month.

If we had not bought the Escape hybrid, we would have bought the V6 Escape or a Subaru, neither of which were less expensive than the hybrid.

I wouldn’t know about the payback on a Prius. We need AWD and more room, the Prius was never on our list.


88 posted on 06/19/2008 2:55:10 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: pennboricua
current flowing through a wire will produce EMF

Correction, alternating current flowing through a wire will produce EMF. Direct current, the type produced by batteries, does not produce EMF except for the first brief surge when you initially turn on a switch. Batteries in the Hybrids will not produce harmful EMF, the motor might however.

89 posted on 06/19/2008 2:56:14 PM PDT by calex59
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To: InvisibleChurch
Related FR article: Fear, but Few Facts, on Hybrid Risk
90 posted on 06/19/2008 2:57:26 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Rescuers refer to a crucial 15-minute period at the scene of an accident as a “golden window” in which it is critical to attend to those injured most seriously and get them on the way to emergency treatment. They worry about the possibility that in the course of a fast-paced rescue attempt, a hybrid might suddenly lurch ahead or that high-voltage wires might be cut


91 posted on 06/19/2008 2:58:09 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I’m with you on the hybrids!

It’s gotta have a booming V8 engine of over 5 liters before I’ll own it!! >:-}


92 posted on 06/19/2008 3:00:45 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

First it was CFLs, next it was hybrids, then it was ...


93 posted on 06/19/2008 3:01:15 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: InvisibleChurch

I bought a Mercury Mariner a couple of years ago.  It's a four wheel drive SUV.  It's small but it's all I needed.  I wanted an SUV for commuting because of the visibility.  I would have purchased a Mercury Mountaineer, if they hadn't had the Mariner.

I can easily get 30 mpg on the highway, and have achieved over 32 mpg per tank on occasion.  Tell you what folks, I'm not feeling sad about the choice these days.

You don't have to be an environmental whack job to prefer to use less gas.  Frankly, I was willing to pay a bit more to cut down on my gas consumption, because I want us less dependent on oil from the Middle East.  I consider it a strategic decision to help us be less beholding to those nations whose populace would do us harm.

I highly recommend the vehicle.  As for force fields or the need for tin foil to protect yourself, I don't have any ringing in my years and there haven't been any unusual growths poping up LOL.

Later...

94 posted on 06/19/2008 3:05:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ( I say no to the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. Not now or ever, John McCain...)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Other things to worry about:

Asteroid Impact, Same Sex Marriage, Massive gamma ray burst from an outside the solar system event, BSE nvCJD, SARS, Smallpox, Ebola ,Flu- (human, bird, swine, duck, chicken), Salmonella, Carbs, Fat, Protein, Terrorists, Anthrax, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Too little ozone, Too much ozone, Global warming, Global cooling, Global Warming Chaos, Pesticides, Deer ticks, Nerve gas, Dirty bombs, Haliburton, SUVs, Guns, Acid rain, Too much Rain, Too little Rain, Nuclear power, Non-nuclearpower, Nuclear war, Conventional war, Wind Turbines shredding endangered birds, Obesity, Starvation, BCS, The Yankees with A’Rod, NCAA Basketball Tournament Selections, Pit bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Huskies, Alaskan Malamutes ,Doberman Pinschers, Chow Chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards, Akitas, green ketchup, MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), Pet spiders, Yard Sale Congestion, Red King Crabs, Shadow people, Cattle mutilations, Junk Science, Supersize fries, ”Our worst fears were confirmed”, steroids in baseball, microwave popcorn, HIV, Peak Oil, Cholesterol both LDL and HDL, second hand smoke, Google Telephone Searches, backyard nuclear reactor, Nitrogen pollution, Carbon Dioxide Reported at Record Levels, Dangerous' Curry Colourings Cataracts from computers, brain tumors from cell phones, fire ants, killer bees, killer tomatoes, killer clowns the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, Terrell Owens and Ron Artest, Exploding cell phones, cryptococcus gattii, methylisothiazolinone (MIT), "holiday heart," , U.S. Teens Are Among the Worst at Math, picking your teeth in public"The Hamdog.", Plastic Wrap in a Microwave, mercury, perfluorooctanoic acid, Teflon, KFC frying oil, Starbucks high calorie coffee drinks, Southern San Andreas fault waiting to explode:, Study Says Earth's Temp at 400-Year High, Earth hottest it's been in 2,000 years,strong electromagnetic currents...

Added a new one

So much to worry about...

95 posted on 06/19/2008 3:11:28 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
are you insinuating that all high-bred drivers are REDSHIRTS??? 8^)
96 posted on 06/19/2008 3:16:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Most hybrid vehicle owners are complaining of problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety...

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Marijuana

But these are symptoms whose etiology also causes hybrid vehicle owners to purchase their cars in the first place. It also causes them to get all paranoid about the Earth overheating- like 2 degrees man, over the next century, dude! Right before they get the munchies.

97 posted on 06/19/2008 3:18:05 PM PDT by Lamchops
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To: HP8753

It’s “liberating” to drive a paid off vehicle, with no collision insurance, and not have to yield right of way or my lane to SUV mama talking on the go-phone.

Only thing that isn’t working 100% is the AC (leak) and the cruise control that uses the AC for pressure.


98 posted on 06/19/2008 3:18:51 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: MNJohnnie

Yeah, but if your microwave leaks, it really can hurt you. That’s one of the reasons why they tell you not to repair your own microwave.

Your computer monitor will not hurt you.


99 posted on 06/19/2008 3:22:01 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: InvisibleChurch

It’s doubly bad when they drive the hybrid under power lines and by cell phone towers.

The results haven’t been pretty./s


100 posted on 06/19/2008 3:29:48 PM PDT by exit82 (tagline temporarily out of order--awaiting parts.)
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