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'If it were up to me, I would kill him'
KOMONews.com ^ | June 19, 2008 | KOMO News Staff

Posted on 06/20/2008 5:01:27 AM PDT by NCDragon

PUYALLUP, Wash. -- The woman accused of beating up and threatening a sex offender who had moved into her neighborhood says she was only trying to protect her daughter.

Tammy Lee Gibson told investigators she beat up William A. Baldwin with a baseball bat outside his home earlier this week. Gibson said she wouldn't hesitate to do it again, even as she faces assault and felony harassment charges.

While awaiting trial in jail, Gibson told KOMO News on Thursday she has no regrets.

"If it were up to me, I would kill him. I would kill him," she said.

According to police documents, Level-3 sex offender William A. Baldwin had moved into his uncle's Puyallup home earlier this month. Following his move, Pierce County deputies distributed flyers around the neighborhood to alert residents of his presence.

On Monday Gibson, an area resident, went to Baldwin's house in the 1800 block of River Road and asked for him.

When Baldwin stepped outside, she claimed she was going to kill him because Baldwin had molested her children. Gibson then proceeded to hit Baldwin repeatedly with her bat, the document said, leaving him with an injured arm.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: witchhunt Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: NCDragon

Well, her heart is in the right place.

I would advise against such public actions and proclamations however. There are better, more subtle ways to make sure her daughter remains safe from this animal.


2 posted on 06/20/2008 5:04:10 AM PDT by WayneS (The Mask that Evil Wears May Change, but the Face of Evil Remains Constant.)
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To: NCDragon

And the country for that matter.


3 posted on 06/20/2008 5:08:37 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: NCDragon
leaving him with an injured arm.

That's it?

4 posted on 06/20/2008 5:09:11 AM PDT by csvset
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To: NCDragon
I say three cheers. She outed the son of a snake because otherwise he would still be hiding under the wrong address.
5 posted on 06/20/2008 5:10:33 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: WayneS
I would advise against such public actions and proclamations however. There are better, more subtle ways to make sure her daughter remains safe from this animal.

Excellent advice

6 posted on 06/20/2008 5:12:34 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage; WayneS

They used to be called “sack parties.”


7 posted on 06/20/2008 5:15:45 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: csvset

she should have aimed lower....


8 posted on 06/20/2008 5:18:45 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: NCDragon

“The woman accused of beating up and threatening a sex offender who had moved into her neighborhood says she was only trying to protect her daughter.”

Pretty hard to take care of or protect your child from jail or prison.


9 posted on 06/20/2008 5:21:21 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: WayneS
In 1998, Baldwin was convicted of molesting a 5-year-old girl. While on parole, he sexually assaulted another 5-year-old girl the following year, the sheriff's department said.

It sounds like this guy is a real turd-bird. Does anyone know where the levels of sex offenders are described?

However, there are cases of people who find themselves on the list for some petty charge such as urinating in public, a common practice in some very civilized countries where people walk home or take public transportation from the pubs and no reasonable alternative is available.

There is a big difference between doing this on a public park playground at noon day and peeing in a bush behind an alley at 1 a.m., but the law here makes no distinction.

10 posted on 06/20/2008 5:22:43 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: NCDragon

What did he do to her or her daughter? If he had molested her daughter I can understand her actions.

My son was molested and now at 30 he is a drug addict. So I know some of the aftermath, but she had NO right to do this.


12 posted on 06/20/2008 5:24:16 AM PDT by waxer1 (What exactly is meant by "we are going to take our country back")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

S..S..S.


13 posted on 06/20/2008 5:26:24 AM PDT by mommadooo3 (Old concept in justice. If the law won't take care of it, it's just us.)
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To: WayneS

I feel sorry for the little girl. She not only has to worry about a sex pervert in the neighborhood, but her mother looks like a crack addict.


14 posted on 06/20/2008 5:30:24 AM PDT by Krankor (N)
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To: Krankor

“....her mother looks like a crack addict.”

WTF?!!


15 posted on 06/20/2008 5:36:07 AM PDT by mo
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To: NCDragon

Merle Haggard — Branded Man

I’d like to hold my head up and be proud of who I am
But they won’t let my secret go untold
I paid the debt I owed them, but they’re still not satisfied
Now I’m a branded man out in the cold

When they let me out of prison, I held my head up high
Determined I would rise above the shame
But no matter where I’d traveled, the black mark follows me
I’m branded with a number on my name

I’d like to hold my head up and be proud of who I am
But they won’t let my secret go untold
I payed the debt them but they’re still not satisfied
Now I’m a branded man out in the cold

If I live to be a hundred, I guess I’ll never clear my name
‘Cause everybody knows I’ve been in jail
No matter where I’m living, I’ve got to tell them where I’ve been
Or they’ll send me back to prison if I fail

I’d like to hold my head up and be proud of who I am
But they won’t let my secret go untold
I paid the debt I owed them, but they’re still not satisfied
Now I’m a branded man out in the cold
Now I’m a branded man out in the cold


16 posted on 06/20/2008 5:39:03 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

“I’d like to hold my head up and be proud of who I am”

Then don’t rape 5 year old girls.

You CANNOT pay the debt fro committing a crime like that.


17 posted on 06/20/2008 5:41:33 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: mo

18 posted on 06/20/2008 5:46:11 AM PDT by Krankor (N)
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To: NCDragon

It would depend on what the nature of his offense was.

Consider the poor SOB who is 17 and is charged with consensual statutory rape of his 15 year old girlfriend by an unhappy father. While it is not “right” it is orders of magnitude different than some 40 year old guy forcibly raping that same 15 year old.

T


19 posted on 06/20/2008 5:48:44 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (DemocRATS....the party of Slavery, Segregation, Secularism, and Sedition)
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To: WayneS

I don’t see using the fact that the guy had been previously convicted of a crime as a pretext for beating him up. We going to do that with every ex-criminal?


20 posted on 06/20/2008 5:52:11 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: Krankor

Hmmm...i’l give ya meth maybe....


21 posted on 06/20/2008 5:57:00 AM PDT by mo
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To: WayneS

She admitted the guy didn’t molest her children after cops arrested her. It also looks like she tried to kill the guy for the hell of it. She’ll get prison and deserve it.


22 posted on 06/20/2008 5:57:32 AM PDT by saganite
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To: popdonnelly
I don’t see using the fact that the guy had been previously convicted of a crime as a pretext for beating him up. We going to do that with every ex-criminal?

Some criminals learn a lesson, redeem themselves and go on to be happy and productive, even decent, people.

Experiences seem to show that child molesters do not "Get Better".

Perhaps they could be given some kind of island of their own, some other kind of isolation. Judges and Social Workers who insist on releasing them should be required to board them with thier families for six months. Maybe that would help.

As it is now, when one finally kills, it is generally not a first offense. Whatever we are doing is not working.

23 posted on 06/20/2008 6:01:29 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: saganite

I had a sex offender living directly across the street from me, used to be a close friend, before we found out he was molesting his daughter from the age of 4 to 14, daily. He had manipulated his daughter, promising he would be in therapy. We were crazy, my husband went to the police station for what to do. Everyday we would see him and it would make you sick to your stomach. He went back on his promise to his daughter, allowed a woman with a young girl move in with him. The daughter called him on it and he told her to mind her own effing business. She hung up the phone and directly called the police and pressed charges, he is now doing 30 yrs.

The thoughts of what he had done consumed me every time I saw him drive into his driveway. It was such a relief once he was arrested.


24 posted on 06/20/2008 6:10:31 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: WayneS

Yeah. We need to get rid of the legal system and just institute stoning by the local religious leaders like they had in Afghanistan.

Rule of law is so inconvenient.


25 posted on 06/20/2008 6:13:15 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: panthermom

You did the right thing. Taking a baseball bat to someone just on the theory that he will eventually molest your child is definitely wrong and she’ll get time for it.


26 posted on 06/20/2008 6:17:02 AM PDT by saganite
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To: popdonnelly
We going to do that with every ex-criminal?

Hopefully just the child molesters.

There is literally nothing that could be done to them that they would not richly deserve.

27 posted on 06/20/2008 6:17:36 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: panthermom
He went back on his promise to his daughter, allowed a woman with a young girl move in with him.

Who are these women that do stuff like this?

28 posted on 06/20/2008 6:21:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Does anyone know where the levels of sex offenders are described?

Level 3 indicates there is a high probability that he will re-offend.

29 posted on 06/20/2008 6:48:18 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: yldstrk

I thought the police distributed fliers telling people where he was, and that was how she found out?


30 posted on 06/20/2008 6:57:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: saganite
Taking a baseball bat to someone just on the theory that he will eventually molest your child is definitely wrong and she’ll get time for it.

Having law enforcement officials pass flyers around the neighborhood warning people of this man's presence -- something that isn't done for any other kind of criminal, including CONVICTED MURDERERS -- might understandably lead someone to think this man deserved some particular "attention."

31 posted on 06/20/2008 7:10:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: WayneS

Well, if the courts won’t keep them in jail for our protection, maybe they’ll do it to protect the molesters.


32 posted on 06/20/2008 7:17:20 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Ouderkirk

Know of a situation where that happened. A girl that my daughter graduated with. When the mother found out her precious daughter was sleeping with her boyfriend she got a restraining order. The daughter would sneak out and meet the boyfriend. She of course got pregnant. The mother had him arrested and charged with statutory rape. He was convicted. He’s now a registered sex offender. The darling little daughter who couldn’t/wouldn’t keep her knees together was sainted because she kept her baby and graduated from high school. No punishment ever for her for violating the restraining order.

Ruined his life at the age of 18.

Most people assume that “registered sex offender” means they rape 5 year olds.


34 posted on 06/20/2008 7:27:53 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: popdonnelly

No.

Only the ones who rape children.


35 posted on 06/20/2008 7:31:58 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: saganite

I said her heart was in the right place. As in, not wanting men who rape children to live in her neighborhood.

I don’t recall saying she wasn’t going to prison.


36 posted on 06/20/2008 7:34:10 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: Morgana

She will never see another day in jail when or if this goes to trial. Even the public defender could win this one.


37 posted on 06/20/2008 7:34:29 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Krankor
She looks like she has a batting average of .500 but an IQ of .001.

Leni

38 posted on 06/20/2008 7:35:53 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginburgization)
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To: sam_paine

Please refer me to the post in which I stated that we need to get rid of the leagl system. Because I did not.

What we need to do is FIX a legal system that would EVER let a man who raped two 5 year old girls go free from prison under ANY circumstances.

Until then, we need to do whatever we have to do to assure we and our families are protected.


39 posted on 06/20/2008 7:38:13 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: Jaded

You wrote: “Most people assume that “registered sex offender” means they rape 5 year olds.”

No we don’t.

But in THIS case, it clearly DID mean that.


40 posted on 06/20/2008 7:41:42 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: WayneS

Kiddie porn and child molestation charges are the new Salem witch trials.


41 posted on 06/20/2008 7:47:37 AM PDT by TheRealDBear
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To: TheRealDBear

There is no such thing as a witch.

Child molesters are VERY real.


42 posted on 06/20/2008 7:59:24 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: WayneS
Please refer me to the post in which I stated that we need to get rid of the leagl system. ...Until then, we need to do whatever we have to do to assure we and our families are protected.

Such as beating the crap out of a person outside the legal system?

We all recognize that the guy is scum, and that he has scarred the little girls for life....but either make the law right, or accept that his sentence is what the law says it is. Beating someone with a baseball bat is anarchy, mob-rule low-brow Jesse Jackson Muqtada al-sadr crap.

43 posted on 06/20/2008 8:00:52 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

As I said in my first post (which by the way, was only about half tongue in cheek, not like this one), personally I do not go in for such public demonstrations, but, if that is what it takes, yes.

And by the way, one person beating another is ASSAULT; it is NOT anarchy, nor is it “mob rule”. It is assult.

Anarchy is when the government has failed in its responsibilities at almost every level, criminals are not held accountable for their actions and are left free to prey on the public, and law abiding citizens are, for the most part, left to fend for themselves.

Mob rule occurs when the citizens get tired of anarchy.

And if we don’t fix our badly broken legal system, you might want to prepare yourself for some serious low-brow, Muqtada al-sadr crap.


44 posted on 06/20/2008 8:11:52 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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Let’s throw another log on the fire...

Thread yesterday said the guy is 7 feet 3 inches tall. Kinda hard to miss in a crowd...

No, she shouldn’t have immediately gone after him with a bat, but it would cross my mind had I been told he’d been seen ‘chatting up’ my 10 year old daughter as a poster yesterday said another article stated.

My daughter just found out there is a ‘sex offender’ in her apart. complex and you can see a grade school from her front door. We are not pleased. I told her she needs to check with the complex office and someone report it to the police if it’s true. Yeah, he might have drunkenly wizzed on a tree at 1am, but we don’t know what he did and it pays to be watchful. Baseball bat yet? Nope. A couple of years from now when our now 2 month old granddaughter is an ‘attractive’ preschooler... We’ll see...


45 posted on 06/20/2008 8:21:16 AM PDT by Dyslexic Mom
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To: WayneS
LOL. So it was just half tongue in cheek! That's good. I was taking your post too seriesly.

So rather than vigilante justice outside the bounds of the law, you're just suggesting that people perform extra-judicial ASSAULT and then turn themselves into the judicial system for the consequences of meting out extra-judicial punishment.

Sounds fair. Except that she wasn't planning on taking her lumps but began by lying about the guy's action.

Oh, and if you're planning on meting out some of what we used to call "Lynch Law" justice, muqtada-style here in Texas, you'd better be ready to have your own damn head blown off and the State will back up the person you were ASSAULTing based on self-defence.

Easy to talk big on this anonymous forum, Wayne. But no group of big-talkers are going to get up off their fatasses from the keyboard and go lynch someone these days. Thank goodness. Enjoy your fantasies, but, no.

46 posted on 06/20/2008 10:32:27 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

You seem to be one Texan with a reading comrehension problem.


47 posted on 06/20/2008 10:41:17 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: WayneS

Your gang/Lynch mentality don’t fly with me, sir.

The fact is, this guy apparently served his debt to society as written in the law. Take it up with the judge and the legislature if you’ve got a problem with his punishment.

This woman deserves to go to jail, and her child will now be subjected to all sorts of ridiculous state intervention...which makes that mother’s idiotic impulsive assault even more reprehensible. Parenting requires a thought process more advanced than the child being ‘protected.’

And you will limit your silly bravado to typing on FR or you’ll get yourself killed, or worse....at least in an armed, civilized society such as I live in. Don’t know what kinda world you live in.


48 posted on 06/20/2008 10:52:27 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Now you’ve made me Hag-hungry...I’m goin’ straight to my Rhapsody music service and get me some Merle from the early 70s/


49 posted on 06/20/2008 3:52:09 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (Time is the school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn.--D.Schwartz)
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To: sam_paine

I never mentioned a gang or a lynching in ANY of my posts.

You are the one who brought them up.


50 posted on 06/24/2008 4:54:57 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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