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Was the Holocaust Inevitable? ( Patrick J. Buchanan )
townhall.com ^ | June 20, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 06/20/2008 8:12:50 AM PDT by kellynla

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Imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved had someone been able to put a bullet in Hiter & Stalin.
1 posted on 06/20/2008 8:12:50 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Pat rewrites history again. Britain didn’t lose her empire because of the world war.


2 posted on 06/20/2008 8:15:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: kellynla
The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.

Tell me Pat didn't write that.

3 posted on 06/20/2008 8:15:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: kellynla
That Hitler was a rabid anti-Semite is undeniable. "Mein Kampf" is saturated in anti-Semitism. The Nuremberg Laws confirm it. But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust.

Gee, Krystalnacht was just Western propaganda, I guess.

4 posted on 06/20/2008 8:17:38 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Pat wrote that.

I think Pat has gone nuts.


5 posted on 06/20/2008 8:18:38 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: kellynla

Thanks, Pat. You have reinforced my opinion of you. I’m so glad I never joined your Brigade.


6 posted on 06/20/2008 8:18:50 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: kellynla

Pat needs to be down on the farm with Ross.


7 posted on 06/20/2008 8:19:12 AM PDT by devane617 (we are so screwed)
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To: kellynla

Must have been, or God wouldn’t have knowingly created those responsible.


8 posted on 06/20/2008 8:19:13 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: kellynla
Christopher, Hitler invaded Russia on June 22.

Napoleon started his invasion of Russia in June as well. The historical lesson was there for Hitler. PAT, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

9 posted on 06/20/2008 8:19:23 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: kellynla
Patrick J. Buchanan—Pseudo-Historian, Very Real Dissimulator [Free Republic]

Victor Davis Hanson eats Buchanan's book for a snack.

10 posted on 06/20/2008 8:19:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kellynla
This column is appalling for two reasons:

(1) The utter incompetence of its historical analysis.

(2) The dark moral worldview that would support such an analysis.

11 posted on 06/20/2008 8:20:14 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: dirtboy
The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.

The Jews were treated wonderfully right up untuil September 1, 1939, right Pat?

12 posted on 06/20/2008 8:21:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: kellynla
Hitler was so committed to the Holocaust that he wouldn't allow trains that were needed for the war effort be diverted from delivering his victims to the gas chamber.

Pat Pukecannon makes me sick.

13 posted on 06/20/2008 8:21:20 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: kellynla

Scratch Buchanan and the ghost of Heinrich Himmler pops out.


14 posted on 06/20/2008 8:21:35 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: kellynla

This is ridiculous.


15 posted on 06/20/2008 8:22:10 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: kellynla
“Imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved had someone been able to put a bullet in Hitler & Stalin”.

Well some good people did try and failed.

As a Brit I am very proud of Winston Churchill and I think this Pat guy is talking out of his.......well, hat!

War is entered into not only when a nation's fabric is at risk but also when her soul is. What kind of Britiain would be one that walked away from Europe with an ‘i’m all right Jack attitude’?

I have thanks God for Churchill so many times for preserving my freedom and the nations integrity.

Having said that Nu-labour have squandered the inheritance.

Also I seem to remember us Brits voting none other than John Lennon as man of the Millennium. What a sense of priorities. Ho hum...

16 posted on 06/20/2008 8:22:30 AM PDT by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I personally do believe that the two great World Wars did finish Great Britain off as an empire.

I also believe that occasionally things happen in the world that are a lot more important than maintaining an empire. They were absolutely correct in opposing Hitler's mad quest for continental domination when most countries wanted no part of another war.

17 posted on 06/20/2008 8:22:50 AM PDT by jpl
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To: dirtboy
He wrote that.

and this little gem, too:

"Britain twice declared war on a Germany that had not attacked her and did not want war with her,"

Pat, Pat, Pat when you have told everyone that you want to rule the whole world and make a darn good start at taking over a whole frickin' continent, it's pretty clear to even the densest of observers, that an island nation within swimming distance of that continent is in immediate peril.

I bet he really thinks islam is a religion of peace, too.

Mindboggling.

18 posted on 06/20/2008 8:23:22 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: kellynla

Pat just gets creepier and creepier.


19 posted on 06/20/2008 8:23:22 AM PDT by KingSnorky
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To: kellynla
The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.

What a loon.

20 posted on 06/20/2008 8:23:27 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: wideawake

The one thing Pat has right is that Hitler secretly admired the British who he regarded as a Germanic people. He was supposedly reluctant to go to war with them. It was the Russians he hated as an inferior race: ‘Slavs’.


21 posted on 06/20/2008 8:24:19 AM PDT by Borges
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To: dirtboy

The nutroots have excepted that we were right about Hillary. Maybe it’s time we accepted that they were right about Pat. Maybe he has been a nazi all along.


22 posted on 06/20/2008 8:25:27 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, educate, then opinionate.)
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To: wideawake

Bullseye.


23 posted on 06/20/2008 8:25:40 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: kellynla
And why did Hitler invade Russia? This writer quotes Hitler 10 times as saying that only by knocking out Russia could he convince Britain it could not win and must end the war.

???Huh?.What about Mein Kampf?... Buchanan is an out and out crank, no doubt about it.

24 posted on 06/20/2008 8:26:05 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: kellynla

I felt better when Pat was over on MSNBC where he pretty much had the same position on Iraq as the lesbian cow Rachel Maddow. I saw Pat on Hannity and Colmes the other night as evidently he has started appear on Fox. Hannity was slobbering all over Pat in such a way, that for a moment I thought Julie Annie had returned from the anonymity of the Republican Party Witness Protection Program.


25 posted on 06/20/2008 8:26:28 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Soliton
Maybe it’s time we accepted that they were right about Pat. Maybe he has been a nazi all along.

I was thinking the same myself.

26 posted on 06/20/2008 8:26:53 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: kellynla

Wow Pat, by your logic WW I wasn’t necessary either. Matter of fact, the American civil war could have been avoided all together if General Lee and Grant had just sat down to tea.


27 posted on 06/20/2008 8:26:56 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: jpl
I also believe that occasionally things happen in the world that are a lot more important than maintaining an empire. They were absolutely correct in opposing Hitler's mad quest for continental domination when most countries wanted no part of another war.

I hope we learn enough from history to be able to defeat islam, and not lose our own country or its place in the world.

But ya know what? All countries eventually die. We've lived a worthy life, if we must die, better to die a worthy death.

28 posted on 06/20/2008 8:28:00 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: kellynla
If Hitler were out to conquer the world, why did he not build a great fleet? Why did he not demand the French fleet when France surrendered?

Because the Royal Navy sank it in harbour. Seriously, does Pat not know this?

29 posted on 06/20/2008 8:28:05 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: dirtboy

“The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.”

I’ve read the Mein Kampf. Hitler always intended to exterminate the Jewish people.

Pat has ceased to be relevant.


30 posted on 06/20/2008 8:28:20 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: kellynla
Not until midwinter 1942 was the Wannsee Conference held, where the Final Solution was on the table.

In September 1935, on the occasion of the passing of the first of the Nuremberg laws, Hitler gave a speech.

In the speech he said that if Germany's "Jewish problem" could not be solved by these new laws, then the matter needed to be delegated to the Nazi Party itself so that the Party could engineer an "Endloesung" - a final solution.

The Final Solution was thus publicly on the table almost seven years before the Wannsee Conference.

31 posted on 06/20/2008 8:28:26 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: dirtboy
Pat's an anti-Jew. There's no question of that.

I bet he does a fist pump each time a bomb goes off in Israel.

32 posted on 06/20/2008 8:29:20 AM PDT by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)
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To: Nonstatist
Gee - I never really understood that the Holocaust was actually Winston Churchill's fault.

Now, it all makes sense!

Whatever...
33 posted on 06/20/2008 8:30:20 AM PDT by Frobenius
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To: kellynla
Britain went to war with Germany to save Poland. She did not save Poland.

Gee.
How stupid of those Brits.
Hitler just wanted a little room, after all.
So it was Britain that ignited the Holocaust.
Silly me. How could I have thought otherwise?

34 posted on 06/20/2008 8:31:14 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Pat rewrites history again. Britain didn’t lose her empire because of the world war

It was certainly a driving factor. Britain was devastated and the population wanted nothing to do with foreign adventures. They lost India and then had no reason to bear the expense of maintaining standing armies in Palestine and Egypt to defend the road to India through the Suez canal. They pulled out, Israel was born.The idea that there wouldn't have been a Holocaust is ridiculous though. Hitler's justification for war was lebensraum. He wanted space for a Greater Germany. It always included genocide as a method to that end.

35 posted on 06/20/2008 8:31:48 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, educate, then opinionate.)
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To: Nachum

It certainly would have been over much sooner if only R.E. Lee had taken Lincoln’s offer. There wouldn’t be an Arlington National Cemetery today. At least not in the place where it is.


36 posted on 06/20/2008 8:32:30 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Pat rewrites history again. Britain didn’t lose her empire because of the world war.”

Well, actually, she did. Britain went bankrupt during WW II... they spent the entire treasury on the war effort, including lend-lease. You simply can’t hold an empire together when you can’t even protect your capital from getting bombed.

But.... the war simply hastened an inevitable process, I think. Even if WW II had never happened, Britain’s territories were already moving for independence. Before Hitler became a threat, Churchill was most famous for ranting about the threat of India breaking away from the Empire in Parliament.

WW 1 made the end of the Empire inevitable, because that’s the war that spawned all the major national independence movements. Even without WW II, the British Empire, at best, would have slowly died away. WW II just accelerated the process.


37 posted on 06/20/2008 8:32:30 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: kellynla
LOL!! The title alone gave me a good long belly laugh.


38 posted on 06/20/2008 8:33:03 AM PDT by Huck (The Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Biblebelter

Pat is being used by the MSM to keep Jews on the Democratic plantation.

I am a staunch conservative, but the fact that this Nazi sympathiser had ANY position in ANY Republican administration and managed to win a few primaries gives me pause about some of my fellow conservative travelers.

I get over it, knowing Pat represents an odd fringe element, but ONLY because I am well informed.

To the average TV-watching news person, this guy makes Republicans look like Nazis.

We need to speak out AGAINST him being the token “conservative” in ANY broadcast.


39 posted on 06/20/2008 8:33:39 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: kellynla

Patrich Buchanan Chamberland


40 posted on 06/20/2008 8:33:53 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Vote for John McCain along with Tom DeLay, John Cornyn and the majority of conservatives.)
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To: kellynla
Imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved had someone been able to put a bullet in Hiter & Stalin.

The Schiffs and Warburgs had put money on both sides.

41 posted on 06/20/2008 8:34:10 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
It certainly would have been over much sooner if only R.E. Lee had taken Lincoln’s offer.

Tragic. But the Lord had other plans.

42 posted on 06/20/2008 8:34:30 AM PDT by Huck (The Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: jpl
Pick up Max Hastings' new book, "Retribution, the Battle for Japan, 1944-45." The book is a survey of all the Asian battlefields at the close of WW II. Hastings is a historian who concludes Britain couldn't hold India, Burma, etc even if the war had not happened.
Hastings is a Brit, by the way.
43 posted on 06/20/2008 8:34:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: wideawake

One of the best political cartoons I’ve ever seen was in 1992 when Pat was running for President. It depicted him giving a speech with the caption ‘Mein Kampaign’.


44 posted on 06/20/2008 8:35:24 AM PDT by Borges
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To: montag813
The Jews were treated wonderfully right up untuil September 1, 1939, right Pat?

Hitler was willing to let the Jews emigrate to Palestine, but the Brits didn't want to upset the Arabs

45 posted on 06/20/2008 8:35:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Cacique; rmlew

You folks might be interested in chiming in. Who knew that British foreign policy was responsible for the Holocaust? Who knew that Hitler DIDN’T really mention the final solution in 1935 as I had been taught years ago! Pat has ENLIGHTENED ME! ;-)


46 posted on 06/20/2008 8:36:13 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: vladimir998

Just another failed politician carving out a niche for himself. Al Gore’s got environmentalism. Pat’s got pro-Nazi historical revisionism. Hey, even Pat’s got bills to pay. Might as well do something you love!


47 posted on 06/20/2008 8:36:36 AM PDT by Huck (The Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; dirtboy; kellynla

“Pat rewrites history again. Britain didn’t lose her empire because of the world war.”

If Pat had been a lying writer during WWII, he probably would have been rounded by Israel as a Nazi supporter or worse.


48 posted on 06/20/2008 8:36:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Kerry was a Uber Liberal, Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas makes Kerry look like Jesse Helms!)
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To: dirtboy

Hitler knew the history of Napolean in Russia and accordingly planned his invasion for an earlier kickoff but got bogged down trying to bail out his hopeles Italian ally. He probably convinced himself that with a mechanized army the results would be different.


49 posted on 06/20/2008 8:37:09 AM PDT by saganite
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To: MeanWestTexan

He’s regularily published by conservative sites like Townhall and World Net Daily. Though the latter can’t really be called Conservative. I don’t know what the hell it is really.


50 posted on 06/20/2008 8:37:16 AM PDT by Borges
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