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Coils Of Ancient Egyptian Rope Found In Cave
Discovery Channel ^ | 6-20-2008 | Rossella Lorenzi

Posted on 06/20/2008 2:50:54 PM PDT by blam

Coils of Ancient Egyptian Rope Found in Cave

Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

June 20, 2008 -- The ancient Egyptian's secret to making the strongest of all rigging ropes lies in a tangle of cord coils in a cave at the Red Sea coast, according to preliminary study results presented at the recent congress of Egyptologists in Rhodes.

Discovered three years ago by archaeologists Rodolfo Fattovich of the Oriental Studies University of Naples and Kathryn Bard of Boston University, the ropes offer an unprecedented look at seafaring activities in ancient Egypt.

"No ropes on this scale and this old have been so well preserved in their original context -- in Egypt or elsewhere," Bard told Discovery News.

Carefully wrapped in coils by ancient Egyptian sailors almost 4,000 years ago, the ropes were found in a hand-hewn cave at the ancient Red Sea port of Marsa Gawasis, 23 kilometers (14 miles) south of Safaga.

"The cave is really spectacular. Over 30 coils of ropes lie on the ground as if they had just been left there. Amazingly, these ropes were stored in the same way as nowadays sailors store their shipping cords -- just coiling and tighting them in the middle," archaeologist and rope analyst Andre Veldmeijer told Discovery News.

Most of the coils were recovered from the back of the cave. There are at least two layers of ropes. In their report, Veldmeijer and colleague Chiara Zazzaro of the University of Naples, estimated that more than 60 complete coils of cords are stored in the long, deep cave.

"Each cord is about 30 meters (98 feet) long and is very thick. No doubt these ropes were made for strong, heavy duties, Veldmeijer said. "Basically, they were hauling truss components. They ran above the deck, secured at the bow and at the stern, to produce structural cohesion for the ship,"

The theory is supported by the fact that the estimated length of the Egyptian ships is about 10 meters (33 feet) shorter than the ropes' lengths. This shows that sailors had five meters (16 feet) at both ends to tie the ropes.

The researchers are still puzzling over the material the ancient Egyptians used to make such a strong cordage. "It's really intriguing. We know that the ropes are made of vegetable fibers only," Veldmeijer said. "Moreover, they are of one type of vegetable fiber -- Egyptians never used different materials together to make ropes. We can exclude the usual, known materials, such as halfa grasses, papyrus and palm. It's possibly reed... We hope to solve the puzzle by the end of the year."

Meanwhile, excavation work at Marsa Gawasis continues. The site abounds with man-made caves cut into the rock. They all seem to be filled with seafaring remains.

"We found remains of ship timbers, anchors, expedition equipment, cargo boxes and pottery. Analysis has shown that these caves contain the world's oldest maritime artifacts," Fattovich said.

As for the ropes, the researchers believe they are the well-preserved riggings from an Egyptian seafaring expedition to the fabled Land of Punt (around present-day Somalia), in the 12th Dynasty, almost 4,000 years ago.

"We found hieroglyphic texts about these expeditions, and even some materials brought back from Punt, such as ebony, obsidian and pottery from eastern Sudan, Eritrea and Yemen," Bard said.

The most famous expedition to the mysterious and exotic Land of Punt was conducted during the reign of Queen Hatshepsut and is described in bas-relief inscriptions in her funerary temple at Deir el-Bahri.

"We are now excavating the harbor area. Other ship remains are coming to light. This is such an important site. There is much more to discover," Fattovich said.


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KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; ancientegypt; catastrophism; cave; coils; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; hatshepsut; punt; rope; wadigawasis
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1 posted on 06/20/2008 2:50:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 06/20/2008 2:51:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Someone forgot their rope....they’re going to be pi$$ed.


3 posted on 06/20/2008 2:53:37 PM PDT by Dog (We have entered into the realm of 9/10 all over again...Lord help us.)
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To: blam

isn’t that some kind of hate crime?


4 posted on 06/20/2008 2:58:39 PM PDT by kms61
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To: Dog
“Someone forgot their rope....they’re going to be pi$$ed.”

Or possibly court martialed.

5 posted on 06/20/2008 2:59:56 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: blam

Any ideas on why this stuff was left in place like that? Gear and cordage like that had to be pretty expensive. Why would so much stuff just be abandoned?


6 posted on 06/20/2008 3:04:37 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: blam

That is a terrific find. I hope I catch the news on it when they determine what plant fiber was used.


7 posted on 06/20/2008 3:05:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


8 posted on 06/20/2008 3:06:36 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: blam

Might find some interesting sunken stuff offshore!
By the way, “Rodolfo Fattovich”. Doesn’t that translate as “Son of Fatt?”


9 posted on 06/20/2008 3:08:22 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Grimmy

Prehistoric Rapture.


10 posted on 06/20/2008 3:08:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam

I now know where to go if some doesn’t want to be hung with a new rope.


11 posted on 06/20/2008 3:15:40 PM PDT by Dogrobber
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To: blam

12 posted on 06/20/2008 3:20:24 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Grimmy
Gear and cordage like that had to be pretty expensive. Why would so much stuff just be abandoned?

Maybe it was a pirate's lair?

13 posted on 06/20/2008 3:52:32 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Grimmy
Why would so much stuff just be abandoned?

It's part of a warehouse or shipyard. The buildings are gone and if they look around they might find some sign of them, but possibly not if they were just sitting on the ground. Docks, too.

14 posted on 06/20/2008 4:01:02 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: blam

One can only wonder what other treasures lie hidden in ancient caves.


15 posted on 06/20/2008 4:01:59 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: blam

Hemp was the traditional rope fiber during the heyday of Masted schooners.


16 posted on 06/20/2008 4:48:41 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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Archeologists Find Ancient Ship Remains
(cargo carriers between Pharaonic Egypt and Punt)
AP on Yahoo | 1/27/06 | AP
Posted on 01/27/2006 6:14:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1566605/posts

Sailing To Punt
Al-Ahram | 2-17-2006
Posted on 02/17/2006 10:11:15 AM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1580599/posts

Oldest Maritime Artefacts Found (Egypt)
Egypt online | 1-28-2007
Posted on 01/29/2007 9:37:27 AM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1775584/posts


17 posted on 06/20/2008 4:54:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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18 posted on 06/20/2008 4:55:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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19 posted on 06/20/2008 4:56:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

*You PROMISED me no one would know!*


20 posted on 06/20/2008 4:56:59 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: narses

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 06/20/2008 4:58:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Very cool!


22 posted on 06/20/2008 5:30:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The dragons aren't as hungry as they were yesterday. Has anyone seen James?)
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To: RightWhale

Seems to me that if a shipyard was getting relocated or abandoned, the stuff would have been moved along with the ships.

I prefer to think it was a plot of some sort that got disrupted. The shipyard was already abandoned and some yahoos were using it to store up materials for nefarious deeds. They got caught but never spilled the beans about where they’d laid up all their ill gotten gear.


23 posted on 06/20/2008 6:34:21 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Tax-chick

A piece of string walked into a small town on a hot, dusty day. He was thirsty, so he sauntered into the first establishment he encountered and asked the waiter for a glass of water.

“Sorry”, said the waiter, “we don’t serve strings here.”

Discouraged, the string walked out. A little further down the street, he met a stranger.

“You look hot,” said the stranger. “Why don’t you go into that cafe and get a drink of water?”

“I tried that,” said the string, “but the waiter wouldn’t serve me anything because I’m just a string.”

“No problem” said the stranger. “I’ll fix you up.” He grabbed the string, tied him in a bowline and frayed his ends. “Now try it.”

The string slipped back into the cafe and asked the waiter for a glass of water. “Hey,” said the waiter, “aren’t you the piece of string that was just in here?”

The string replied, “I’m a frayed knot.”


24 posted on 06/20/2008 7:24:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Monkey Face

The noose is out! ;’)


25 posted on 06/20/2008 7:27:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re stringing me along, aren’t you?


26 posted on 06/20/2008 7:30:00 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: Monkey Face; SunkenCiv

Feeding us a line, at the very least.

If it pulled that ‘frayed knot’ carp on me, I’d whip its frappin’ hind end!


27 posted on 06/20/2008 8:32:31 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: Monkey Face

...or maybe feeding you a line...


28 posted on 06/20/2008 8:35:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Carp? The deim is complete.


29 posted on 06/20/2008 8:36:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Monkey Face

A tip of the capstan to AppleGateRanch for beating me to that.

[humming] Applegateranch, won’t ya pun out tonight...


30 posted on 06/20/2008 8:38:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: ApplegateRanch; SunkenCiv

I think he’s slightly frayed from overuse.


31 posted on 06/20/2008 8:40:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: ApplegateRanch; SunkenCiv

OK. That’s it. I’m checking in with Ahab as we speak. I know he has a line on what’s going on.

The other end is attached to a harpoon, so hang onto your britches!


32 posted on 06/20/2008 8:46:36 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: SunkenCiv
I know my carping; and I know my knots: I studied Marilyn Spike seamanship!

"Hey, Sailor! Looking for a good time?"

33 posted on 06/20/2008 8:47:53 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: SunkenCiv

That pun really struck a cord with me.


34 posted on 06/20/2008 8:49:57 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Monkey Face

Am knot.


35 posted on 06/20/2008 8:50:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Monkey Face

[singing] Whale meat again, don’t know how, don’t know when...


36 posted on 06/20/2008 8:51:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Rocky

I tried rigging it so it would. ;’)


37 posted on 06/20/2008 8:52:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: blam

bump for later


38 posted on 06/20/2008 8:52:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (ANWR's a third the size of the UK-The drilling site is 1/7 the size of Manhattan Island-Krauthammer)
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To: ApplegateRanch

cool pic and quote of Marilyn Mon-row.


39 posted on 06/20/2008 8:54:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Belay that!


40 posted on 06/20/2008 8:55:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: Rocky

Only because you’re lacking fiber in your diet.


41 posted on 06/20/2008 8:56:41 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Should I send you a “Thank You” cod for that line?


42 posted on 06/20/2008 8:58:17 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Stormy weather....


43 posted on 06/20/2008 8:58:59 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Am I alone, here? OK. Y’all asked for it!

(Sorry. It’s the best I could do, and I spent at least an hour trying to find it. It sounds better with music....)

The Fish Song

It was April the Forty-first, being a quadruple leapyear;
I was driving in downtown Atlantis.
My Barracuda was in the shop, so I was in a rented Stingray,
and it was overheating.
So I pulled into a Shell station; they said I’d blown a seal.
I said, “Fix the damn thing and leave my private life out of it, okay, pal?”

While they were doing that, I walked over to a place called the Oyster Bar.
A real dive. But I knew the owner; he used to play for the dolphins.
I said, “HI GILL!” (You have to yell, he’s hard of herring.)

Chorus:
Think I had a wet dream, cruisin’ through the Gulf stream.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Wet dream.

Gill was also down on his luck.
Fact is, he was barely keeping his head below water.
I bellied up to the sandbar; he poured the usual: Rusty Snail, hold
the grunion, shaken, not stirred.
With a peanut butter and jellyfish sandwich on the side, heavy on the mako.
I slipped him a fin, on porpoise.
I was feeling good; I even dropped a sand dollar in the box for Jerry’s Squids,
for the halibut.

Well, the place was crowded. We were packed in like sardines.
They were all there to listen to the big band sounds of Tommy Dorsal.
What sole. Tommy was rockin’ the place with a very popular tuna,
“Salmonchanted Evening”, and the stage was surrounded by screaming groupers,
Probably there to see the bass player.
One of them was this cute little yellowtail, and she was givin’ me the eye.
So I figured this was my chance for a little fun.
You know, piece of Pisces.

But she said things I just couldn’t fathom.
She was too deep, seemed to be under a lot of pressure.
Boy, could she drink. She drank like a...
She drank a lot.
I said, “What’s your sign?”
She said, “Aquarium.”
I said, “Great! Let’s get tanked!”

Chorus

I invited her up to my place for a little midnight bait.
I said, “C’mon baby, it’ll only take a few minnows.”
She threw me that same old line: “Not tonight, I got a haddock.”

And she wasn’t kidding, either, cause in came the biggest,
meanest looking haddock I’d ever seen come down the pike.
He was covered with mussels. He came over to me; he said, “Listen, Shrimp.
Don’t you come trollin’ around here.” What a crab.
This guy was steamed. I could see the anchor in his eyes.

I turned to him and I said, “Abalone! You’re just being shellfish.”
Well, I knew there was going to be trouble, and so did Gill,
cause he was already on the phone to the cods.
The haddock hits me with a sucker punch. I catch him with a left hook.
He eels over. It was a fluke, but there he was, lying on the deck,
flat as a mackerel, kelpless.

I said, “Forget the cods, Gill. This guy’s going to need a sturgeon.
Well, the yellowtail was impressed with the way I landed her boyfriend.
She came over to me; she said, “Hey, big boy, you’re really a game fish.
What’s your name?”
I said, “Marlin.”

Chorus

Well, from then on we had a whale of a time. I took her to dinner;
I took her to dance; I bought her a bouquet of flounders.
And then I went home with her.
And what did I get for my trouble? A case of the clams.


44 posted on 06/20/2008 10:01:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL!


45 posted on 06/21/2008 4:48:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The dragons aren't as hungry as they were yesterday. Has anyone seen James?)
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To: Tax-chick

So this duck walks into a pet store and says to the clerk, “Got any duck food?”
“No”, says the clerk, “we only sell dog food and cat food.”

“OK”, says the duck and walks out.

The next day the duck walks in the store and says “Uh, got any duck food?”
The clerk once again replies, “No, like I told you, we only sell cat food and dog food.”

“OK”, says the duck and walks out.

The next day the duck walks in the store and says “Uh, got any duck food?”
The clerk says “Hey look, I told you two times already that we only sell cat food and dog food!”

“OK”, says the duck and walks out.

The next day the duck walks in the store and says “Uh, got any duck food?”
This time the clerk yells “We don’t sell any duck food and if you come in here one more time asking, I am going to nail your little webbed feet to the ground!”

“OK”, says the duck and walks out.

The next day the duck walks in the store and says “Uh, got any nails?”
“No”, says the confused clerk.

The duck says, “Got any duck food?”


46 posted on 06/21/2008 7:55:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Monkey Face
Am I alone, here?
Wow. Uh, you're all by yourself somewhere, but don't worry, we're all way over here for ya. ;'D
47 posted on 06/21/2008 7:57:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Grimmy

A shipyard would not be abandoned without reason. Perhaps they had an economic meltdown when their Dems in their Congress refuse to allow opening of new copper mines. Their pharaoh was too young to have situational awareness and soon it was too late for an overriding Pharaonic Order.


48 posted on 06/21/2008 8:13:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: SunkenCiv

Now that’s dumb.


49 posted on 06/21/2008 8:26:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The dragons aren't as hungry as they were yesterday. Has anyone seen James?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Now that’s dumb.


50 posted on 06/21/2008 8:26:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The dragons aren't as hungry as they were yesterday. Has anyone seen James?)
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