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Male kid lockups ordered to gender-bend clothes regulations (NY)
ny daily news ^ | 06.17.08 | KENNETH LOVETT

Posted on 06/20/2008 8:08:30 PM PDT by Coleus

The state has quietly ordered male-only juvenile detention centers to keep bras and panties in stock for transgendered delinquents - angering many jail staffers.   Each facility must stock a dozen bra and panties of each size in case it is requested, employees said and agency officials confirmed.  Girls' centers also must stock men's underwear.

Two longtime employees of the agency ripped the policy, saying they fear it promotes an alternative lifestyle in order to accommodate a miniscule population.   "People are appalled," one employee said. "The vast majority of kids in here don't fit the category and want nothing to do with this."   The second employee said it would have made more sense to phase the policy in rather than enact it all at once.  "I'm dealing with predominantly inner-city kids from gang neighborhoods; there's a lot of other battles and issues I need to deal with," he said.

The state Office of Children and Family Services order is part of a policy quietly enacted in response to a lawsuit.  In addition to keeping "gender neutral undergarments" in stock, facility staff must call transgendered youths by their chosen, rather than their legal, names.   Those boys who believe they are girls also must be called "she" by those at the facilities, while girls who believe they are boys must be called "he" under the policy.  Transgendered kids in the system can shower privately, shave body parts, use makeup and grow their hair long.

Some can request to be transferred to a facility in upstate Red Hook that has housed a number of transgendered kids, officials said.   A male who believes he is a female can also request transfer to a girl's juvenile center and vice versa. The request would be heard by a committee.   To date, there has just been one such request, but it didn't go through because the youth was sent to an adult jail.  "The policy is all about tolerance and respect," said spokesman Edward Borges.   The state runs 30 juvenile jails with a total of 1,212 kids. The number of transgendered is about 20.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: corrections; heshe; hesheit; homosexualagenda; jails; juveniles; queers; transgendered

1 posted on 06/20/2008 8:08:31 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
"The policy is all about tolerance and respect,"

No, it is about coercion of the vast majority.

2 posted on 06/20/2008 8:10:09 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Coleus

Requested by whom? The rapee or the rapist?


3 posted on 06/20/2008 8:10:24 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Coleus

A boy that believes he is a girl or vis versa is delusional and mentally ill. The need real psychiatric help, not underwear.


4 posted on 06/20/2008 8:12:03 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Eagles6

The majority of them cannot be changed through psychiatry.


5 posted on 06/20/2008 8:13:49 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Have you ever met a shrink that wasn’t a little bonkers themselves?


6 posted on 06/20/2008 8:15:01 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: darkangel82

Actually, yes. Next question?
susie


7 posted on 06/20/2008 8:16:04 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Coleus
A male who believes he is a female can also request transfer to a girl's juvenile center and vice versa.

Great! I'm a male lesbian, you know. So lock me up with all the bad girls.

8 posted on 06/20/2008 8:19:10 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yo prometo lealtad a la bandera de los Estados Unidos de America, y a la Republica que representa...)
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To: Eagles6

One of the preeminent goals of psychiatrists is to make the Universe unisex. ;-)


9 posted on 06/20/2008 8:26:32 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Coleus

They’re being locked up for a crime....little things like makeup and underwear can be forgotten about.


10 posted on 06/20/2008 8:28:51 PM PDT by Coffee200am
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To: doc1019
One of the preeminent goals of psychiatrists is to make the Universe unisex

Or to make the cosmos universally guilt-free sexed. No rules.

11 posted on 06/20/2008 8:35:02 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon)
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To: doc1019

You are correct, which is why I added “real”. This appears to be the only mental illness that can be “cured” by surgically removing a healthy body part via lopadicophomy.


12 posted on 06/20/2008 8:35:27 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: doc1019

My daughter just completed her first year at DePaul University in Chicago. The was telling me how an official survey for a class offered FOUR options for “gender”. Male, Female, Transgender and OTHER. Her response? “Other, like what “sheep”? That’s my girl.....


13 posted on 06/20/2008 8:39:10 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Eagles6

Lopadicophomy … love your spelling! But I understand. ;-)


14 posted on 06/20/2008 8:48:35 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Coleus

Bras are a foundation undergarment worn for a specific purpose. Boys don’t need bras. It’s ridiculous !


15 posted on 06/20/2008 8:49:24 PM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists)
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To: Kozak

Hope she can retain her realism over the next three years. Prayers go out to her. ;-)


16 posted on 06/20/2008 8:51:03 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: nuconvert

You are correct, but I think they feel it gives them “support”...(support for being messed up).


17 posted on 06/20/2008 8:51:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Then they need intensive counselling. Not bras.


18 posted on 06/20/2008 8:56:00 PM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists)
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To: doc1019

The other operation is an adadictomy. I think Rush may have mentioned that one.


19 posted on 06/20/2008 8:56:37 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Responsibility2nd
>> A male who believes he is a female can also request transfer to a girl's juvenile center and vice versa.

> Great! I'm a male lesbian, you know. So lock me up with all the bad girls.

Sounds good to me too!

We just need to make sure the other posters on this thread don't get their wish first, such that the only way we can get into the girls' center is minus our original-issue privates.

20 posted on 06/20/2008 9:04:20 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

And you know this how? (Knowing full well that you may be in that field due to your handle).


21 posted on 06/20/2008 9:05:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: brytlea

and how did you feel about that?


22 posted on 06/20/2008 9:07:17 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: nuconvert

Heard today that California is in a quandry as ‘they’ have determined that incarcerated people will be eligible to marry under the gay marriage ruling. The quandry being how to best handle the situation. The report also mentioned 72 hr conjugal visits also allowed...didn’t say whether all at one time or not.
Course as long as the taxpayers keep footing the bill, the idiots in charge will keep up the foolishness.


23 posted on 06/20/2008 9:16:07 PM PDT by xrmusn
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To: Coleus

It’s all about catering to perversion and “respecting” perversion.


24 posted on 06/20/2008 9:36:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Coleus
A male who believes he is a female can also request transfer to a girl's juvenile center and vice versa.

And what do you propose for the first pregnancy caused by this policy? Castration of the male offender?

25 posted on 06/20/2008 9:44:58 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: darkangel82
Have you ever met a shrink that wasn’t a little bonkers themselves?

One of the most memorable days of my life occurred where I used to work, a place that had an eccentric lesbian as a bookkeeper. One morning she came in, sat down at her desk, and laid her head down on her arms. One of us regular guys cautiously asked her what was wrong.

"My psychiatrist committed suicide."

All us regular guys clamped our hands over our mouths and fastwalked out of the office, trotted out the back door, and exploded. Insensitive? Yes. It's a guy thing.

:o)

26 posted on 06/20/2008 9:50:47 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Real men drink mercury)
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To: lightman
Or to make the cosmos universally guilt-free sexed. No rules.

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It seeks to end all moral judgements over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number or species of partner(s).

27 posted on 06/20/2008 9:54:08 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: lightman

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28 posted on 06/20/2008 9:59:17 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: Coleus

Edward Borges is an ass.


29 posted on 06/20/2008 10:04:53 PM PDT by DeLaine (Anything that offends 3 people must be banned. The 200 million just have to suck it up.)
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To: doc1019

She’s not going back. Couldn’t stand the place.


30 posted on 06/20/2008 10:05:36 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Eagles6

The male to female operation is a chopadicoffamey.


31 posted on 06/21/2008 12:13:55 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Coleus
Turn out the light.

Close the door.

New York has slipped into the slime.

32 posted on 06/21/2008 5:53:25 AM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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To: Coleus

The inmates are running the asylum.


33 posted on 06/21/2008 7:27:28 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Secret Agent Man

See post # 12.


34 posted on 06/21/2008 7:47:41 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Eagles6

Thanks. I think the difference is in the instrument used to carry out the task. The “lop” uses a pruning shears, the “chop” uses a meat cleaver. ;)


35 posted on 06/21/2008 11:37:04 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m getting mental pictures here that I’m not at all comfortable with.


36 posted on 06/21/2008 11:40:01 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Eagles6

This whole article made me uncomfortable...


37 posted on 06/21/2008 11:53:19 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Eagles6
I was merely making an observation, widely known in the field of psychiatry. Actually, the profession will no longer attempt to cure these people but rather, curtail their illegal or self-destructive acts.

For instance, my father had a client some years ago who was arrested stealing women's clothes from public laundry mats. Knowing there's no cure for the underline fetishism that compelled the young man to want the clothes, he concentrated on teaching him to recognize that stealing them was unexceptionable. That showing restraint and buying them would help his life - and mentality - be less chaotic and more stable. To the best of my dads knowledge, that client never had trouble with the law again. Ironically, he had another client a couple years later in the same situation who failed miserably and continued to have trouble with the law.

It was a professional annoyance to dad that he had two court-ordered clients in the same situation, but one failed where the other seemed to succeed. "You can't help them all" was his frustrated take on it.

But I'm not making an excuse for the idea of allowing these people to indulge in makeup and, etc. It shouldn't be allowed as it defeats the purpose of jail. Personally, I don't think there should even be televisions in jail.

38 posted on 06/21/2008 11:59:43 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I think that is seen as incurable in the psychiatric profession because it, like homosexuality, is no longer looked at as an illness in need of treatment. As I said in another post, this is the only mental disorder that is "cured" by removing or mutilating a healthy body part.

These folks are delusional and self destructive. You don't treat the illness by pandering to the delusion.

39 posted on 06/21/2008 12:09:43 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Eagles6
I couldn’t speak for homosexuality but transgenderism stopped being treated as mental illness when it was realized to be an easily reproducible birth defect, principally involving the stria terminalis and hypothalamus regions of the brain.

To induce the defect, one simply has to introduce a small amount of estrogen to a mammalian male fetus right before the testes develop the ability to produce androgens – principally testosterone (if I recall correctly, around the 4 month mark of the pregnancy). The estrogen blocks the androgens from reaching the brain.

Every mammalian ovum is a blueprint for a female and the brain stays female until it gets the chemical message from the testes that the fetal body is male. Since estrogen is a testosterone inhibiter, if it’s present in the male fetus it can block that chemical message. When that happens, a male is usually born with a stria terminalis that is female sized (about two thirds smaller than a males) and a hypothalamus lacking the extra neuron super-clusters present in men but not woman.

That’s why transsexual behavior in children occurs right around the time that children begin presenting inherently distinct male and female gender differences.

Interestly, these differences in the brain don’t occur in gay men: their stria terminalis and hypothalamus are the same as straight men. But the stria terminalis and hypothalamus in a transgender is all but indistinguishable from a woman’s.

I think your statement about being delusional can be applied to non-transgendered males who don’t present their female behavior until after sexual puberty. Personally, I think those people are fetishists, who’ve learned the behavior as a sex ritual, much the same way as people who are into water sports or bondage.

40 posted on 06/21/2008 1:10:35 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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