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Asking Them to Subsidize Sin (You won't believe what's happening in "Catholic" SF,CA )
calcatholic.com ^ | June 22, 2008 | Gibbons Cooney

Posted on 06/22/2008 5:35:31 AM PDT by kellynla

On June 3, just a few weeks after the California Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage, San Francisco Catholic Charities-CYO held its 2008 Red House Fundraiser.

[[SachetMiller062208.jpg]]According to the Catholic Charities-CYO web site, the annual event has been held since 2004. This year’s fundraiser, reports the site, was held “in the heart of the Castro.”

The co-chairs of the event and the honorary committee members were a Who’s Who of same-sex “marriage” supporters.

They included:

Nanette Lee Miller, treasurer of CCCYO, who “married” another woman in 2004, yet still serves on CCCYO’s board.

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who said of the court’s decision: “By the way, as California goes, so goes the rest of the nation… this is the future and it is now.”

San Francisco County Supervisor Bevan Dufty, who said: "I think it is a win for justice and a win for California and a win for the future.”

Rebecca Rolph, executive director of the San Francisco LGBT Center, who said: "This is the best day of my professional life.”

[[CahillDufty062208.jpg]]Donna Sachet, a transvestite and member of the board of Equality California, was also an honorary committee member, and was in attendance. Equality California was one of the plaintiffs in the Supreme Court case that brought about legal same-sex marriage in California.

There is nothing hidden about any of this. The CCCYO web site has a picture of their executive director, Brian Cahill, posing with his arm around Supervisor Dufty. The site also has a picture of CCCYO treasurer Nanette Miller posing with Equality California board member Sachet.

We could say. “What’s the big deal, they have the right to do this,” except for one thing: the Archdiocese of San Francisco mandates that every one of its parishes hold a special annual second collection to support this organization.

In April, I said that the Archdiocese of San Francisco must either radically change CCCYO, or sever ties with the organization. Within two months of that writing, CCCYO has honored Mr. George Marcus and Levi Strauss Inc., both gigantic funders of the culture of death. It has hosted the event described above, which makes a mockery of Church teaching on marriage. Asking the parishioners to support CCCYO is to ask them to subsidize sin.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; US: California
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiccharities; catholicism; homosexualagenda; homosexulaity; religiousleft; samesexmarriage
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I guess we shouldn't be surprised but is time for Pope Benedict to "throw the hammer down!"
1 posted on 06/22/2008 5:35:31 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses

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2 posted on 06/22/2008 5:36:16 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Amost every organization has dollar signs in its eyes and will act accordingly. As the liberals said in Watergate, keep your eyes on the money!


3 posted on 06/22/2008 5:37:09 AM PDT by Theodore R. (9)
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To: kellynla

This MUST be STOPPED!!! No more money to Catholic Charities!!!


4 posted on 06/22/2008 5:37:35 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: kellynla
I guess we shouldn't be surprised but is time for Pope Benedict to "throw the hammer down!"

Sure sounds like California is building the modern age Sodom and Gomorrah. Nancy Pelosi should be so proud.

5 posted on 06/22/2008 5:41:10 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: kellynla

“Catholic Charities” bases none of its decisions on Catholic teaching, unless forced to do so by a particular bishop. It’s infested with left-wingers who long only to suck at the government teat and will adopt any policy that gets them that money.

I didn’t realize CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) had gone that way, too.

It’s utterly disgraceful that the bishops permit and even encourage this. But not surprising. Neiderauer is horrible and simply follows in a long line of horrible SF bishops who are completely opposed to the teachings of the Church.


6 posted on 06/22/2008 5:46:40 AM PDT by livius
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To: kellynla
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who said of the court’s decision: “By the way, as California goes, so goes the rest of the nation… this is the future and it is now.”

A soiciety that not only condones, but promotes homosexuality with a usurped ruling, and yet is supposed to recognize a "Creator" for it's inalienable rights, is doomed to destroy itself.

7 posted on 06/22/2008 5:51:08 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Yes, Chef!)
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To: kellynla; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

8 posted on 06/22/2008 5:51:08 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Just mythoughts

“Sure sounds like California is building the modern age Sodom and Gomorrah. Nancy Pelosi should be so proud?”

Excuse me, but for the 1001th time, I wish you “out-of-towners” would cease putting everyone in CA in the same basket as the fraction & disgraceful who live in SF, Berkeley & Malibu, thank you.

FYI, there are MILLIONS more practicing Catholics and other conservatives in CA than any other state in the Union.


9 posted on 06/22/2008 5:53:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Catholic Charities is one of the most thoroughly evil organizations in this country. I am not surprised to read of its close connection with the whole gay agenda as it shares the gays’ purpose to remake America into something its bishops apparently prefer to what is here now. In the Northeast, Catholic Charities has been in the forefront of the relocation of thousand and thousands of Somali Mohammedans into smallish communities, collecting millions in federal “refugee” money and then handing the bill to support these subhumans to the local communities. When anyone complains, local Catholic priests and nuns in pantsuits show up screaming about hate crimes and demanding prosecutions of people who are simply exercising their free speech rights. The bishops back them 100%. In one northern city, the mayor, whom some say is brain dead, is convinced if he panders to every desire of the Mohammedans, he’ll “get a bigger mansion in heaven” because the bishop told him so.

I have never fully understood why people get so wound up about Catholic theology, but I do understand how they can get so incensed by the actions of that Church here in America.


10 posted on 06/22/2008 5:55:36 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: sirchtruth

Lets not get carried away. Newsom has about as much credibility as a screen door on a submarines. LOL

After the next SF earthquake, all of these clowns will be looking for the nearest Catholic church.


11 posted on 06/22/2008 5:56:40 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: livius

Gavin Newsome might as well be Bishop there.


12 posted on 06/22/2008 5:57:32 AM PDT by wequalswinner (.)
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To: kellynla

I still don’t understand WHY gays want to marry.


13 posted on 06/22/2008 6:00:23 AM PDT by a real Sheila (Just say NObama!)
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To: a real Sheila

“I still don’t understand WHY gays want to marry.”

They’re trying to legitimize their immorality.

God doesn’t “buy” it.

Romans 1: 24-27


14 posted on 06/22/2008 6:04:36 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Excuse me, but for the 1001th time, I wish you “out-of-towners” would cease putting everyone in CA in the same basket as the fraction & disgraceful who live in SF, Berkeley & Malibu, thank you. FYI, there are MILLIONS more practicing Catholics and other conservatives in CA than any other state in the Union.

YOU are excused. What starts in California always moves WEST and my point was NOT about Catholics but LIBERALISM of which Nancy the QUEEN Pelosi is the 'PEOPLES' leader as speaker of the HOUSE.

NOW just as an aside I know a person of this mindset that until a few months ago was one of those 'out-of-towners' that moved to the 'fair' city of San Franny just for the reason for what it is come to be known to be. Oh and this person is NOT Catholic and while this specific article is about the Church I did NOT say anything about the Church being responsible.

15 posted on 06/22/2008 6:08:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: wequalswinner

LOL! Yes, exactly.


16 posted on 06/22/2008 6:14:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kolokotronis

There’s an excellent new book by Phil Lawler, The Faithful Departed. It’s about the collapse of the Church in Boston. He points out that the seeds of this were planted even before Vatican II, when the successive bishops of Boston began to regard the policies of the Democratic Party as being on the same level as the deposit of Faith. They did this for practical reasons, the material advantages of being in with the in-crowd, since the Dems completely ruled Boston and many of them were of Irish descent and therefore Catholic to begin with. It was a natural progression in the faithless minds of the bishops (such as Cardinal Cushing, mouthpiece of the Dems).

I think we’re simply seeing this on a grand, national scale now. What happened at Vatican II was that the bishops took the bit between their teeth - and Rome, which had weakened its own authority for various misguided reasons, was unable to do anything about it. The question now, as many US and European bishops become more and more rebellious every day, is what Rome will be able to do about it.


17 posted on 06/22/2008 6:21:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: Just mythoughts
“What starts in California always moves WEST and my point was NOT about Catholics but LIBERALISM of which Nancy the QUEEN Pelosi is the ‘PEOPLES’ leader as speaker of the HOUSE.”

Shouting doesn't make you correct. And "what starts in California always moves West?" doesn't make any sense..where is it going? into the Pacific ocean? LOL

Again, you are throwing the 34 MILLION people in CA and the over 300 MILLION people in America in the same basket with less than ten percent of the population who are Leftists.

Pelosi will be a mere asterisk in American politics in less than 10 years and while Liberals are aborting their offspring; conservatives in CA and across America are flourishing; so it's not a matter of “if” but "when" conservatives become the majority in CA and America.

18 posted on 06/22/2008 6:23:21 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I suppose had they been around at the time, a lot of liberal Catholics would have supported the Gomorrah Chamber of Commerce as well.

They just can’t get it through their minds that the church isn’t a social club.


19 posted on 06/22/2008 6:27:13 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“liberal Catholics?”

For the record, there is no such thing as a “liberal” Catholic. Those who do not practice their faith and abide by the Ten Commandments are what we call in the Catholic Church, CINO’s or “Catholics in Name Only”. In any case they are not “practicing” Catholics. “The confessional is on the right as you enter the church.” BIG SMILE


20 posted on 06/22/2008 6:37:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Shouting doesn't make you correct. And "what starts in California always moves West?" doesn't make any sense..where is it going? into the Pacific ocean? LOL

Yes my funny should have been EAST.

>Again, you are throwing the 34 MILLION people in CA and the over 300 MILLION people in America in the same basket with less than ten percent of the population who are Leftists.

I did not throw anybody anywhere. It is now the law of the land in California that word marriage has become perverted. Now how long will it take before the rest of the 49 states are required to accept the supreme ruling of the court of California????

Pelosi will be a mere asterisk in American politics in less than 10 years and while Liberals are aborting their offspring; conservatives in CA and across America are flourishing; so it's not a matter of “if” but "when" conservatives become the majority in CA and America.

Pelosi and her brood are NOT going anywhere, and while I was a Hunter supporter, he could NOT even get a seat at the high stakes political table. WHY not? If as you claim conservatives are on a come back? Seems to me the conservatives are politically speaking wandering out in the wilderness, and I view this more like the scenario that was set before Gideon.... Judges 2:1 And the LORD said unto Gideon, "The People that are with thee are too many for ME to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against ME, saying, 'Mine own hand hath *saved* me.

You might consider that some of us 'out-of-towners' know many people that live in California and some of us hear out of the mouths of these people that do live 'in-town' as to what their lives are like in your great state.

21 posted on 06/22/2008 6:48:52 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: kellynla

“Excuse me, but for the 1001th time, I wish you “out-of-towners” would cease putting everyone in CA in the same basket as the fraction & disgraceful who live in SF, Berkeley & Malibu, thank you.”

Sorry. Californication is the New Sodom and Gomorrah, regardless of the fact that a few moderate conservatives still manage to hang on there. Although thanks be to God I am now an “out of towner” I lived in the golden hell many years ago. The writing was on the wall even then.

You note that there are millions of practicing Catholics in California. Well, if what is practiced in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles can be termed “Catholicism”, then I guess you’re right. But I think “widespread apostacy” would be a more accurate term.

No, Californication deserves the double heaping of scorn that it receives and then some. As for those righteous few who remain in the state, I suggest that they take their lead from the story of Lot, and leave posthaste.


22 posted on 06/22/2008 7:02:52 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Just mythoughts

“You might consider that some of us ‘out-of-towners’ know ?”

Just because you might “know many people that live in California” doesn’t make you an “expert” on CA or even CA politics. LMAO

Quite the opposite, from your previous posts, you don’t know squat about what’s going on out here.

I suggest you stick to the problems of your own state and let those of us who live, work & pay taxes in CA deal with our own issues.

Good day.


23 posted on 06/22/2008 7:04:22 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Just mythoughts

And before I leave you to your CA bashing; this thread and article is about SF “Catholics” & the Catholic Church not Leftists in politics.

Cyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...


24 posted on 06/22/2008 7:08:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Just because you might “know many people that live in California” doesn’t make you an “expert” on CA or even CA politics. LMAO Quite the opposite, from your previous posts, you don’t know squat about what’s going on out here. I suggest you stick to the problems of your own state and let those of us who live, work & pay taxes in CA deal with our own issues. Good day.

Next time you post an article please clarify that experts only are allowed to comment. My big mistake and it will NOT happen again to your special posts.

25 posted on 06/22/2008 7:10:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Just mythoughts

What part of “quit bothering me” don’t you understand. LMAO


26 posted on 06/22/2008 7:19:08 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
“For the record, there is no such thing as a “liberal” Catholic.”

I do not agree with that statement. The church itself has condoned gay priests and looked the other way when they were molesting young boys. I have also heard too many liberal statements from the various popes. The catholic church is very liberal in big cities and certain countries. I think part of it is that they see the liberal government (welfare state, redistribution, etc.) as a means of taking care of their congregations.

I put the catholic church, jews, and blacks as a big part of the reason that the liberal democrats have as much power as they do.

27 posted on 06/22/2008 7:21:11 AM PDT by HwyChile
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To: Just mythoughts
California is building the modern age Sodom and Gomorrah.

I have for a long time referred to SF and LA as Sodomy and Glamorrah.

28 posted on 06/22/2008 7:26:02 AM PDT by giotto
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To: Ann Archy

***This MUST be STOPPED!!! No more money to Catholic Charities!!!***

OH, c’mon! Damn the good as well as the evil?? Catholic Charities does tremendously good work. Address your complaints against the evil member, not the whole body.


29 posted on 06/22/2008 7:28:36 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: giotto
I have for a long time referred to SF and LA as Sodomy and Glamorrah.

I sure hope you have your 'expert' credentials certified.

30 posted on 06/22/2008 7:32:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: HwyChile
There are so many inaccuracies in your post, I have neither the time or the inclination to addresss them all.

Those of us who are practicing Catholics KNOW that the Church DID NOT “condone” gay priests...in fact, for decades psychologists & psychiatrists told the Church that priests who committed sexual crimes could be “cured” and it was only decades later that those same psychologists & psychiatrists informed the Church that those priests could NOT be “cured.”

As far as priests molesting boys, the FACT is that less than 7 percent of ALL the sexual attacks over the last 50 years were on prepubescent boys.
The MAJORITY were homosexual acts on teenagers.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of your Catholic bashing...you believe what you like, the folks over at the DU will be glad to join you.

Good day.

31 posted on 06/22/2008 7:32:35 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

***Those of us who are practicing Catholics KNOW that the Church DID NOT “condone” gay priests...in fact, for decades psychologists & psychiatrists told the Church that priests who committed sexual crimes could be “cured” and it was only decades later that those same psychologists & psychiatrists informed the Church that those priests could NOT be “cured.”***

Oh, my gosh! I thought I was the only one who knew that. There was (before the liberals decided to attack the Catholic Church) a very definitive report in our local liberal newspaper saying that the psychologists and psychiatrists said those who molested children COULD be cured, and recommended such treatment to the church. Of course the libs promptly dumped the report when it suited their nefarious purpose of attacking the Church.


32 posted on 06/22/2008 7:51:59 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Ann Archy

I don’t think this is a Catholic Charities problem. I jusut think the same-sex people are using this vehicle at the present time.

Notice that the fundraiser was for CYO? Catholic Youth Organization?? Or am I mistaken?


33 posted on 06/22/2008 8:39:35 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: livius

San Francisco needs a Burke or a Rigali.

Please, Pope Benedict!


34 posted on 06/22/2008 8:40:51 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla
As far as priests molesting boys, the FACT is that less than 7 percent of ALL the sexual attacks over the last 50 years were on prepubescent boys. The MAJORITY were homosexual acts on teenagers.

Somehow that is better?

35 posted on 06/22/2008 8:41:13 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: HwyChile

You are wrong on the Catholic Church. The reason everyone hates the Church (especially the media) is because the Catholic Church has stood for things such as

NO abortion
NO euthanasia
NO same-sex marriages — marriage only between a man and a woman
NO embryonic stem-cell research

And there are others.

The Catholics you are talking about have basically excommunicated themselves for supporting such issues. And unless they repent and reform — they may suffer the warning that Christ gives his disciples in today’s Gospel.

“Fear only God who can destroy your body and your soul in hell.” (Paraphrasing)


36 posted on 06/22/2008 8:46:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla
Not going to happen. The Lavender Mafia controls most of what happens in US Dioceses and they are pro-Gay marraige.

The Pope couldn't get U.S. Bishops and Cardinals from giving Holy Communion to pro-Abortion politicans (i.e. Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry) during his recent visit to the USA despite his directive not to do so.
37 posted on 06/22/2008 9:17:02 AM PDT by ktime
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To: kellynla

Are they using money raised in churches (mention is made of a forced second collection)?

If they are engaging in political advocacy, strip ALL of those churches that engaged in it of their 501c3 tax status.

Defund the left. Audit.

The ACLU cannot pick and choose which churches are allowed to engage in political advocacy.


38 posted on 06/22/2008 9:18:17 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: kellynla
“There are so many inaccuracies in your post, I have neither the time or the inclination to addresss them all.
Those of us who are practicing Catholics KNOW that the Church DID NOT “condone” gay priests...in fact, for decades psychologists & psychiatrists told the Church that priests who committed sexual crimes could be “cured” and it was only decades later that those same psychologists & psychiatrists informed the Church that those priests could NOT be “cured.””

You can spin it any way you like, but the Catholic church accepted gay priests into the church. That is condoning. You may want to break out a dictionary some time. Your church allows gays to be priests. What is it that you don't understand about that FACT.

“As far as priests molesting boys, the FACT is that less than 7 percent of ALL the sexual attacks over the last 50 years were on prepubescent boys.
The MAJORITY were homosexual acts on teenagers.”

The last time I looked teenagers were boys. Are you seriously saying that it is ok for your GAY priests to molest boys or that it was somehow less bad that molesting younger boys? You sound liberal to me.

I do not like the Catholic church because of their liberal politics (and yes the church leadership is liberal on a host of issues) and its gay priest policy. If that makes me a basher, then that is what I am.

39 posted on 06/22/2008 9:31:15 AM PDT by HwyChile
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To: HwyChile

>>>>>>>>I do not like the Catholic church because of their liberal politics (and yes the church leadership is liberal on a host of issues) and its gay priest policy. If that makes me a basher, then that is what I am.

Vatican renews ban on gay priests
Tuesday, 29 November 2005

The Vatican has published long-awaited guidelines which reaffirm that active homosexuals and “supporters of gay culture” may not become priests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4480588.stm


40 posted on 06/22/2008 9:33:53 AM PDT by ktime
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To: ktime

Note the word “active”. The gay priest that molested all those kids seemed pretty active to me.


41 posted on 06/22/2008 9:36:54 AM PDT by HwyChile
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To: HwyChile

Kellynla was trying to point out that true pedophilia is no more common (in fact, it is less so) among Catholic priests than among the general population. The problem is gay priests.

Technically, seminaries were not supposed to take gay candidates, but they did, under the influence of liberal psycho-babble nonsense after Vatican II, where the concept of “sin” totally disappeared. The specific ban on accepting gay candidates to the priesthood was recently reaffirmed. But there’s a large backlog of gay seminary instructors, gay lay directors, liberal pro-gay nuns who teach in these places, etc., and it will probably be awhile before the situation is entirely resolved. The problem lies with bishops who are bad or weak and have been in place for decades now. Personally, I think it’s time a few bishops were held accountable.

But it is not the policy of the Church to accept gay seminarians, ordain gay men to the clergy, or let gays carry on the “gay lifestyle” in any capacity in the clergy.


42 posted on 06/22/2008 9:42:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: HwyChile

“You can spin it any way you like, but the Catholic church accepted gay priests into the church?”

“spin?”

Well if Christ “accepts” ALL sinners, then I guess you can call it “spin”...newbie.

“The last time I looked teenagers were boys”

there is a difference in child molestation and homosexuality, genius...

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...what was your screen name before you changed in in 2007...”bigot”?


43 posted on 06/22/2008 10:58:59 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: razorback-bert

“Somehow that is better?”

noooooooooooooooooooo...not better but the overwhelming problem was homosexuality not child molestation...

Let us all know when you get it!

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


44 posted on 06/22/2008 11:01:53 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Excuse me, but for the 1001th time, I wish you “out-of-towners” would cease putting everyone in CA in the same basket as the fraction & disgraceful who live in SF, Berkeley & Malibu, thank you.

FYI, there are MILLIONS more practicing Catholics and other conservatives in CA than any other state in the Union.

Slightly off topic (yet pertinent), notice how Californians don't go on the tornado, hurricane, flood or other disaster threads wishing people die or their state fall off into the ocean. Meanwhile those self styled "good" people elsewhere can't resist coming onto our threads to do so.

Just something I've noticed. The bad Californians have more manners and class than our detractors.

45 posted on 06/22/2008 11:05:14 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: kellynla

No, the problem was two fold. The HUGE problem was priests molesting and preying upon boys and girls. Be the children in elementary or high school is irrelevent. The priests were child molesters and belonged in the criminal justice system.

The second problem was gay priests who did not keep their vow of celibacy. Somehow they thought it did not apply to them because they were gay. They were and are wrong. They should be celibate just like the straight priests. The gay priests who break their vow of celibacy are a scandal to the Church. I have witnessed gay parties in rectories complete with marijuana in the late 1970’s. Scandalous and very, very wrong.


46 posted on 06/22/2008 11:27:47 AM PDT by seprgs
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To: Just mythoughts
What starts in California always moves WEST and

Would that it were so.

47 posted on 06/22/2008 12:25:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: kellynla

“I guess we shouldn’t be surprised but is time for Pope Benedict to “throw the hammer down!”

Absolutely.
Renegade bishops on the prowl again.


48 posted on 06/22/2008 12:28:06 PM PDT by Scotswife
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*What starts in California always moves WEST and* Would that it were so.

Yes, my funny does have a desired result. Interesting how that what becomes fashionable in California just like the weather seems to float in my direction in flyover country. But hey I am no expert just observing what weather patterns create. Course I did not realize this was a disaster thread and comments were to be confined to specific geographical location, location, location. Oh well I do believe in miracles and it does seem time is growing closer to a big one. So it may well be that the perversion sprouted on the left coast is dumped deep in the West waters.

49 posted on 06/22/2008 12:50:01 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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So it may well be that the perversion sprouted on the left coast is dumped deep in the West waters.

where it will have to contend with sharks with laser beams.

just grinds slowly, but...

50 posted on 06/22/2008 2:11:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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