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Heat bills will soar this year (Oil @ $4.39 a gallon - and rising)
Delaware Online | 6/22/08 | AARON NATHANS

Posted on 06/22/2008 7:48:43 AM PDT by Libloather

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bills; burnbabyburn; democrats; drilling; energy; energyprices; heat; oil; wood

275 gallons @ $4.39 = $1207.25. Pray for global warming.

1 posted on 06/22/2008 7:48:43 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Heat bills will soar this year

Not mine! Wood is as free as it was 20 years ago when I started heating with it. ;O)

2 posted on 06/22/2008 7:54:44 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Libloather

Yep. I’m dreading this winter.


3 posted on 06/22/2008 7:54:48 AM PDT by sauropod (God created asphalt so yuppies can go four-wheeling.)
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To: sauropod

I feel for all of you who heat with oil. It’s not used much here in Texas but I remember from the years I lived in the D.C. area that many, many homes use it because it used to be the most economical way to heat.


4 posted on 06/22/2008 7:58:14 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Libloather
275 gallons @ $4.39 = $1207.25. Pray for global warming.

Dude! Why not get me excited about the coming winter? LOL

5 posted on 06/22/2008 8:15:26 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Libloather

If I lived in the north I think I’d be tracking down a lot of wood for the stove this winter. You can’t even imagine how many fallen trees were brought to landfills after Katrina. What a huge waste!


6 posted on 06/22/2008 8:28:42 AM PDT by sazerac
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To: Libloather

Why in the world do we still have homes that heat with oil? There are over 8 million homes in the U.S. that still use oil to heat. That is the most useless thing I can think of to do with oil. We need to get more Nuclear Plants on line so we and get all homes off heating oil. That should be a priority of the next administration. Its the low hanging fruit that can be tackled now. I can understand how it may be a few decades before we can have good reliable non-petroleum engines for cars, but getting homes off oil and get that oil back in the market for other purposes can be done now.


7 posted on 06/22/2008 8:28:54 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: loboinok

in california, you cannot burn your fireplace except for certain days. the envirowackos have caused a real problem here.


8 posted on 06/22/2008 8:34:03 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: NavyCanDo

believe i heard yesterday mccain wants to build a lot of nuclear power plants through out the country.


9 posted on 06/22/2008 8:35:02 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: loboinok
I hear ya. We have been paying close to 5 bucks for no.1 last few years here in rural Alaska. I have hot water boiler, baseboard; uses around 2000 gal a year. So, I've cut wood all along. NOw oil is close to 6 bucks here.

Cut/haul firewood in during the winter with snowmachine, right out my back door. AS long as I can get to my woodlot, everything's cool. Photobucket

10 posted on 06/22/2008 8:56:22 AM PDT by Eska
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To: NavyCanDo
"Why in the world do we still have homes that heat with oil?"

Because where I live, W PA, if you live outside the city limits, you do not have natural gas available.

I live about 8 mis. from what was the first nuclear power plant in the country which is now burning coal. When it was producing elecricity from the reactor, it was one of the MOST expensive power cos. per kilowatt/hr. in the country. Heating with electric heat unless the home was built with it, is not only outrageously expensive, but COLD. (I have lived in converted houses.)

Some people around here use LPG for heating. That used to be the equivalent of running your car 24/7, but now costs even more than that.

Oil was always the most economical method other than burning wood. It no longer is, but unless you own a woods and the equipment (a chain saw, a tractor, a log splitter, and have most days free in the summer to cut, haul, split and stack) it is expensive, not to mention you need oil or something for back-up in the event that you will not be home to feed your furnace.

11 posted on 06/22/2008 8:56:49 AM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa
You see that woodpile in above pict; I was originally from Crawford Co; heated with wood there too most my life. Most everybody has a pickup, trailer, & chainsaw.

In Weatern Pa, you look around a little and you'll find available wood everywhere for the taking. Also had a sawmill near my place back east; slabs were awful cheap by the trkload; they couldn't get rid of them and weren't allowed to burn huge bonfires of them either.

12 posted on 06/22/2008 9:11:38 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Eska

You have caused me to violate the Tenth Commandment!


13 posted on 06/22/2008 9:24:22 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: sauropod
Yep. I’m dreading this winter.

It's bad enough we're being jacked hammered by these outrageous fuel prices...I just can't imagine living in a cold weather state, and having to pay these prices just to heat a home. Cold weather starts kicking in about 4 months.

14 posted on 06/22/2008 9:25:41 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: television is just wrong

I live in suburban southern california. We bought a wood burning stove 2 years ago and heat our house with only wood. Who specifically is going to stop you?


15 posted on 06/22/2008 9:27:32 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: television is just wrong
in california, you cannot burn your fireplace except for certain days. the envirowackos have caused a real problem here.

I feel for you. I could never live in a nanny state like California. It was bad enough the last time I was there in '71'. It has gotten considerably worse.

16 posted on 06/22/2008 9:28:02 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: loboinok; television is just wrong
in california, you cannot burn your fireplace except for certain days

Not statewide...maybe in your area, but sure not around here (of course I'm in the low desert, so heating is pretty much of a non-event).

17 posted on 06/22/2008 9:33:06 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Libloather
thats why i just bought an omnivore... it's a Harmon TLC-2000 coal stove that will burn anything but rice coal and it'll take standard 18" logs too.
18 posted on 06/22/2008 9:41:44 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: loboinok
I live in a rural part of Alaska, no organized local borough govt; life is just fine without it too.

No taxes (prop,school,income, sales,ect) no zoning, no comprehensive plans, no law enforcement, no services, no govt beurocracy. We do have too many mosquitoes right now and it does get awful cold come february, but I wouldn't want govt here to get it solved

Best part, without all the govt junk; believe it or not, We never lock doors or take keys outta anything. Hasn't been a murder in 30 years and that boy was drownd for stealin. Don't somehow seen right when everybody has a pistol on their side for bear protection.

19 posted on 06/22/2008 9:42:37 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Walkingfeather
I live in suburban southern california. We bought a wood burning stove 2 years ago and heat our house with only wood. Who specifically is going to stop you?

We too live there, however, we fortunately only had to use the heater 2 times last winter.

Even then we could have gotten by without it.

20 posted on 06/22/2008 9:42:54 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: loboinok
That's OK, pretty soon you'll get socked with a tax on burning wood that's sending all sorts of pollutants into the atmosphere.

Mark

21 posted on 06/22/2008 9:45:52 AM PDT by MarkL (Al Gore: The Greenhouse Gasbag! (heard on Bob Brinker's Money Talk))
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To: NavyCanDo

Oil Heat has a number of advantages:

1.Home heating oil systems burn cleaner now than ever before. And because heating oil burns 400 degrees hotter than natural gas or electricity, your home heats up faster and requires less fuel than other types of heating systems.

Heating Oil contains 138,690 BTUs per gallon.

Natural Gas has 100,000 BTUs per therm. It takes 1.4 therms to equal the heat content of one gallon of heating oil.

Kerosene has 131,890 BTUs per gallon; 1.05 gallons equals the heat content of one gallon of heating oil.

Propane has 91,500 BTUs per gallon; 1.52 gallons equals the heat of one gallon of heating oil.

Electricity has 3,413 BTUs per kilowatt hour (kwh); 40.6 kwh equals the heat content of a gallon of heating oil.

2.Using heating oil means you can keep your supply of fuel on your own property. Regardless of how cold it gets, you’ve got “heating insurance.” On the other hand, in very cold weather natural gas customers can find themselves out of heat due to severe drop in gas line pressure.

3.Dropping a lighted match into a vial of heating oil puts out the match flame because heating oil in liquid form is well below its flash point of 140°F, the temperature at which it begins to vaporize in order to fire inside a burner. Striking a match in the presence of natural gas or propane and the fuel bursts into flames.

4.In the old days, oil burners were known to be inefficient combusters. But thanks to breakthrough technology, modern oil heating systems are high-efficiency, low emission combusters that give you more for your oil heating dollar even as they keep the air you breathe cleaner.

Modern oilheat equipment actually burns less fuel. The average annual fuel consumption in 1973 was 1,294 gallons; and now it is only 833 gallons – that’s 35% less fuel.

5.Heating with oil is cost-effective because heating oil prices are 2.5 to 5.5 times lower than electricity. Converting from gas to oil heat can substantially reduce energy costs as older gas heaters frequently operate at less than 70% efficiency. While the installed cost of an electric heat system appears attractive the annual operating costs quickly exceed first time savings. In the majority of cases, converting to efficient oil heat offers a very good payback.

6. Home heating oil is environmentally sound. It’s biodegradable, non-toxic and contains no proven cancer-causing agents. Correctly installed residential heating oil tanks are not a danger to the environment or to human health. In fact, home oil burners produce less than .003 of all the particulate emissions in the U.S. Electric, coal and wood heat are far more harmful the quality of the air we breathe.

7.Oil heat is safe. Properly installed and routinely maintained, modern oil heating systems are safer than natural gas systems. In fact, the Consumer Product Safety Commission reports that gas-fueled appliances cause far more deaths from carbon monoxide than do liquid-fueled appliances! Another important safety advantage is that even if a leak should occur, heating oil is non-explosive. When natural gas or propane leaks, an explosive mixture of air and fuel quickly forms.

(This info is available from NORA - National Oilheat Research Alliance)


22 posted on 06/22/2008 9:46:10 AM PDT by Edgewood Pilot
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To: Walkingfeather
Who specifically is going to stop you?

People who RENT in the northern climes have very little say in the matter...if the rental property is heated with oil (and much of it is); then be prepapred to crack open your wallet.

23 posted on 06/22/2008 9:50:12 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Libloather

BO: “LET THEM EAT CAKE.”


24 posted on 06/22/2008 9:59:13 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Eska

Wow, I see a huge pile of dollars there! We pay about $350/cord here in the SF Bay Area for split and seasoned oak. Of course, we can now only burn it when the authorities deign to let us burn it.


25 posted on 06/22/2008 10:14:18 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Walkingfeather

http://www.valleyair.org/aqinfo/WoodBurnPage.htm

We have ‘no burn’ days which sometimes will run for up to 13 days at a time. They actually pay people to drive around town with some kind of heat meter pointed at fireplaces. They will leave a ticket for $1000 (I believe) if they sense heat coming from your chimney.
Noone has contested it yet.
They would much rather we freeze to death than burn wood here.


26 posted on 06/22/2008 10:14:28 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Libloather

Will the last person in New England please turn out the lights?


27 posted on 06/22/2008 10:15:13 AM PDT by randita
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To: Eska
SW PA around P'burgh is not like NW PA - no forests, just some privately owned wooded property that most owners know has value and are not likely to give away, even the downed stuff. The "country" around here is now the 'burbs of P'burgh all the way through WV into OH. The closest sawmill sells their scrap for woodburners; no freebies around here as somebody will pay.

I lived on a 160 acre farm for years in SW PA and burned my own wood in a wood-coal-oil furnace. When I wasn't in the hay field, I spent almost every day, cutting, hauling, splitting and stacking wood for the winter. It makes sense if you own the property to cut your own wood if you have the equipment to do it.

Buying more firewood to use than for an occasional fire in a fireplace or woodburner is not feasible here as it is not cheaper, and is certainly more labor intensive than oil.

28 posted on 06/22/2008 10:19:38 AM PDT by penowa
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To: NavyCanDo

Why ? Because in the NorthEast, there are only two ways to heat - oil or natural gas. Natural gas is not available everywhere and electricity is about .17 a KW, so oil is the best alternative. Heat Pumps just don’t work well under 30 deg outside air temp.

Now, bring down the cost of electricity and it would be feasible to use a heat pump with electric supplementary heating.


29 posted on 06/22/2008 10:25:28 AM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: Edgewood Pilot
5.Heating with oil is cost-effective because heating oil prices are 2.5 to 5.5 times lower than electricity. Converting from gas to oil heat can substantially reduce energy costs as older gas heaters frequently operate at less than 70% efficiency. While the installed cost of an electric heat system appears attractive the annual operating costs quickly exceed first time savings. In the majority of cases, converting to efficient oil heat offers a very good payback.

Using electricity to heat your home directly makes little sense, of course. However, by using a geothermal heat pump you get 4 kilowatts of heat for every kilowatt of electricity. Combine that with superinsulation and you can heat your home with electricity and pay less every year, too.

Geothermal heat pump

Superinsulation


30 posted on 06/22/2008 10:35:24 AM PDT by wolf78
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To: Libloather

I had to order 100 gallons of oil for delivery yesterday.
Wanted 50gal but they were slapping on a $40 delivery fee.

The company charged me $4.09/gallon
I should have filled the tank...


31 posted on 06/22/2008 10:48:15 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: Libloather

In the mountains of northern California, our Aging Commission is working on the forthcoming crisis in heating for low income seniors. We are now working out a way to stockpile firewood from fuel reduction projects and distribute it voluntarily to qualified low income seniors. Unfortunately, because of air quality regs, many were talked into converting to kerosene heaters. There, we are working with our local Office of Emergency Services in case we have to open up warming shelters this winter. This could be a very serious problem.

And the State legislature and Congress, of course, sit on their proverbial collective arses ignoring what is going to happe here and other high poverty northern rural areas.


32 posted on 06/22/2008 10:55:48 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: penowa
All the great things to do around the burgh, guess I wouldn't wood cut either, no matter how good exercise it is. My kid keeps tellin me when he grows up, ain't going to be no wood burners in his house, ha. Ya right.

It gets minus 65 come winter up here, no joke. Photobucket And since this is what occurs around here every couple years, people don't care who cuts where. Most is Indian Lands anyway, and they'd never complain about somebody cutting wood on their land over freezing, sharing people/native way. Photobucket Another reason why I heat with wood is the getting out in nature. I usually get a moose or lynx over the winter while hauling wood. Actually, I like cutting wood when its like minus 10; just perfect out there.

Wifey and I were originally from westmoreland co, miss alot about Pittsburgh but can't bring myself to move on back. I do have center ice, super fan, and all local WPIAL, and local burgh sports programming on direct tv; so everybody in Eagle are Pittsburgh fans if they want to watch football & hockey in HD. Hard to get use to watching football at 9am sunday morn.

33 posted on 06/22/2008 11:21:30 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Eska
I NEVER liked it. Too many other things to do on a farm in summer than cut wood all day every day, etc. BORING, NOISY, HOT and NASTY, but back in the '70's and '80's it was great for saving $ and heating a big old farmhouse for virtually nothing except time spent. Burned wood all day, coal at nite, so fire would keep overnite. Way too many other things to do in the winter on a farm than try to cut wood too. Not enough hours in the day for that. Kept one 250 gal. oil tank just in case I was going to be away. Some winters, I never used any since only an emergency like a hospital stay was an excuse to leave the farm and animals to the care of others.

Fairly certain where I live now, I'd get a visit from the EPA or some gov't agency if I tried to burn coal. No local mines open close by anymore that would deliver either. I am pretty much stuck with oil here. Except for the price (!), I don't have any complaints about it.

I'd go nuts where you are - WAY too much winter for me. Hubby would love to move to Alaska for hunting, but he'd have to leave me behind. Glad you can get your P'burgh sports fix and are busy converting new fans for them. GO PENS!

34 posted on 06/22/2008 12:22:50 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Eska

Beeeeuuuuuttttiiiiffffuuuullll

Can I come live you. LOL


35 posted on 06/22/2008 12:49:52 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: loboinok

“Heat bills will soar this year
Not mine! Wood is as free as it was 20 years ago when I started heating with it. ;O)”

Wood won’t be free for long if the LIBERAL Envirowacko’s have anything to say about it.They will claim it harms the environment because your putting too much CO2 into the atmosphere.So they will ban all wood burning stoves and fire-places.

Don’t laugh I think California is doing this already.


36 posted on 06/22/2008 12:53:44 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: Eska

How long would it take you to get help if you had a medical emergency?


37 posted on 06/22/2008 12:54:17 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: McLynnan

Thank you for the nice comment. Some compassion (we got plenty of heated rhetoric, also a good thing too) is in order for one another again. It can’t be about ‘ourselves’ any longer. There was some brief flashes of fun there though :)


38 posted on 06/22/2008 1:34:47 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: penowa
Our road closes in Oct until April/May, First year I watched every single Pen Game; only one I didn't see here in Eagle; I was at Peanut farm, sports bar in Anchorage; they had eight, 15 foot big screens in there, spoiled me for my 67 inch back at the cabin. Malkin looked like a giant on the wall.

For us going thru 2000 gallon of oil a year was just unacceptable, it has been $5.50 for heating oil here and figure it will be 6-7 bucks this winter. Even though oil is refined in Fairbanks, it is hauled into our community during the short summer and why it's expensive. Our cabin is 2400 sq ft and we have a woodburner in basement and a Pioneer Maid wood cookstove upstairs, wifey cooks alot on woodstove too but also has elec range in kitchen. For us it;s either heat with wood or spend 14 thousand every winter on oil. No can do.

39 posted on 06/22/2008 1:49:29 PM PDT by Eska
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Believe it or not, once you live rural a few years, you really miss alot from urban areas. I miss going to hockey games couple times a week, blues clubs/music,malls, guitar stores/access to Craigs List, chinese/fast food;;;; boy do I creave big macs after 6 months not having one.

Guess if I couldn't get into Anch or Fairbanks a few times a year; I would go nutty here.

40 posted on 06/22/2008 1:55:31 PM PDT by Eska
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To: Ditter
Our community is 100 Whites & 28 Indians, split community. The Indians have a Indian Corporation sponsered clinic with 2 EMT's; they can stitch you up, set bones, do an EKG, ect ect; I mean no open heart surgury but they are actually pretty good. I wouldn't hesitate letting Bruce cut me open in an emergency. They have quick access to Tribal Docts at Indian hospital in fairbanks and have all medicine they need. They can have a med evac plane here in an hour, weather permitting; flys in all the time actually for heart attacks, alcohol poisoning, ect.

The Indian clinic us really only for Indians but they take everybody and is funded by Tanana Chiefs (tribal corporation. The Native Way (sharing). Ya know, if the shoe was on the other foot, I wonder if us White people would do the same for Indians; really don't think so. Anyway, everybody here appreciates the (50 years removed from the stoneage) Indians generosity over the medical clinic.

41 posted on 06/22/2008 2:07:00 PM PDT by Eska
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To: iThinkBig

Thank you. Some parts of the country have to worry about staying warm, for me I worry about staying cool. My biggest fear is electricity will become too expensive to keep my air conditioning on for six months out of the year. I had the good luck to sign a two year electric contract in April so I should be okay in the short term. I love Texas but air conditioning is all that makes it habitable for me.


42 posted on 06/22/2008 2:11:12 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: wolf78

We have a SEER 15 heat pump that was just installed four years ago. When this one goes, we go geothermal. Even if electricity is only $0.0637 a KwH which equates to about $2.59 a gallon for the same heat as a gallon of $4.00 to $5.00 oil, we supplement with wood in the winter. Nothing warmer than a toasty Vermont Castings stove on a cold winter morning.

I work at Ft Knox and the Army there has gone geothermal to the max. I have given up on counting the number of wells that are being drilled on post on any one day. Each building that is undergoing renovation for the move of the Human Resources Command to here is getting geothermal as are all existing buildings.


43 posted on 06/22/2008 2:25:28 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB
Nothing warmer than a toasty Vermont Castings stove on a cold winter morning.

Couldn't agree more. My parents used to have a masonry stove, a replica of a historic model. As a child I spent many a fall in the forests collecting wood with my father.

Now my parents are old and have district heating (nearby power plant, I think).
44 posted on 06/22/2008 2:41:14 PM PDT by wolf78
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To: Libloather

ain’t this fun?


45 posted on 06/22/2008 2:43:51 PM PDT by Waco
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To: puppypusher
Wood won’t be free for long if the LIBERAL Envirowacko’s have anything to say about it.

Environazis can pound sand!

I own 17 acres out in the sticks. 10 acres is timber. I bought this place at the same time a neighbor bought 110 acres behind me. He logged most of his land and told me to take all the wood I wanted. I burned for 3 years off of that.

Then we had the ice storm of 2000; another 3 years.

Then the elect. co-op started cutting trees back 50 ft. on both sides (due to the ice storm)and I cut another 3 years.

A neighbor west of me has been logging his walnut and oak for 2 years and I burn all the slab wood and tops.

Plenty of wood and no environazis... life is good.

46 posted on 06/22/2008 3:24:07 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Waco
...ain’t this fun?

I just started building my own oil rig in the backyard. How far down do I have to drill again?

47 posted on 06/22/2008 5:09:36 PM PDT by Libloather (June is Liberal Awareness Month.)
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To: Libloather

Thanks rats and rinos.


48 posted on 06/22/2008 5:20:10 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Libloather

My sincere sympathies to those in the northeast (primarily).

When I grew up in eastern WA state we had the only oil-fired residential furnace of which I was aware (there had to be others). Oil was so cheap hardly anyone paid attention to the cost (like gasoline then). Amazing even to see what 5 gallons of kerosene costs nowadays.

Now we are electric/natural gas/propane, but I understand that these are not feasible options in the NE (except for propane?)

In case we lose all heating options at our house for some reason, I keep my one-ton van ready to go with propane heat and RV-type AC for the summer.


49 posted on 06/22/2008 5:30:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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