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White Looters in Iowa (Mike S. Adams)
Townhall.com ^ | June 23, 2008 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 06/23/2008 12:17:39 PM PDT by EveningStar

During the week after Father’s Day, I received a number of interesting emails from readers asking me to write about the dearth of looting after the recent floods in Iowa. Specifically, they wanted me to write about the reason there was so much more looting in New Orleans after Katrina hit the “Chocolate City” in 2005. Of course, the problem involves so much more than race – a factor most people are thinking about, even if they won’t admit it...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: cedarrapids; flooding; katrina; looting; mikesadams
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To: EveningStar

Townhall is pop-up and spyware-happy.


51 posted on 06/23/2008 1:55:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: scan59

I still see it there. It might be a temporary glitch with your ISP.


52 posted on 06/23/2008 1:56:11 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: alecqss
[Ok, I give it to you that NO has 4 times larger population, but the notion that in 120+K city is “a tightly knit community” is ludicrous. ]

You obviously are not from the midwest.

When the DC10 crashed in Sioux City, Iowa in 1989, the roads were filled with people trying to help, not loot the airport bar. My niece was a photog for the local rag and managed to get down there. Her pix were seen world wide. She later had her work stolen by the MSM.

A fellow classmate of mine at USD was in the Nat’l Guard there at that airport and had the PLEASURE of video taping the autopsies of the victims. He watched as the med. examiner pealed the body of an infant from the breast of his?her burned to death mother.

He later went insane of at least needed serious counseling. I haven't heard of him in 19 years. Closeknit, YOU BET.

53 posted on 06/23/2008 1:57:12 PM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: Alter Kaker
".....you still need to eat during a natural disaster."

I really must ask.....

How were those thieving bastards planning to cook those TVs, Stereos, shoes, tires, cigarettes, clothes, furniture and cash -- before washing it down with all that stolen booze?

54 posted on 06/23/2008 1:57:57 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

You can say that about any site.

I don’t like taking the risk either but that’s why God created pop-up blockers and anti-spyware programs.


55 posted on 06/23/2008 1:58:29 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: truthguy

“We all have to be PC now. I wonder why this has not been mentioned in MSM?”

No need for us to be PC. I’m sure there are river rats out in boats looting abandoned homes and businesses. Show them for the world to see


56 posted on 06/23/2008 2:00:21 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Alter Kaker
If I were imprisoned in a city, I'd probably loot too. It's not like Wal Marts were open for business -- you still need to eat during a natural disaster.

Imprisoned??? LOL. Nobody was imprisoned in NOLA. Those people and a-hole mayor all had 3 days notice that Katrina was coming and that it was going to be bad. If they'd had an iota of personal responsibility they would have gotten themselves and their children the hell out of there. But they didn't...they sat around waiting for someone to do it for them.

Imprisoned my ass.

57 posted on 06/23/2008 2:02:00 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Feel free to click on the link provided to learn more.


58 posted on 06/23/2008 2:03:55 PM PDT by dhot ( If the cops arrest a mime do they tell him he has the right to remain silent?)
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To: donna
In the Soviet Union, was stealing from someone rich considered wrong?

It probably got you a one-way ticket to Siberia. In the old Soviet Union the only rich people were government folks.

59 posted on 06/23/2008 2:06:15 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: EveningStar

Terrific column. It’s always nice when somebody has the guts to speak simple, if difficult, truths.
I have to admit, I don’t get the title, though.


60 posted on 06/23/2008 2:12:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cyber Liberty

Do we have a new rule, now, that says we have to excerpt Townhall pieces so poorly that we can’t get the gist of the article without having to go to the original link?

I have no idea, from this thread, what in the H-E-double hockeysticks you are talking about.


Probably not worth the read if it’s not worth the effort to be posted in its entirety barring any excerpt rule requirement....... Happening a lot on FR today.


61 posted on 06/23/2008 2:13:18 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: deport
Probably not worth the read if it’s not worth the effort to be posted in its entirety

Your remark makes no sense. I'm perfectly capable of posting complete articles. It requires no "effort." It's easy. However, I've always preferred to excerpt unless a site grants explicit and clear permission to copy entire articles. I'm just playing it safe.

62 posted on 06/23/2008 2:22:15 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Lancey Howard

It’s not a great title. Misleading. Provocative in the bad sense.


63 posted on 06/23/2008 2:24:01 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Migraine
There is plenty of crime in rural areas, we all know that. Between meth heads and rustlers there is plenty of blame to go around.

Still, there seems to be a serious disconnect in the reporting from NO verses Iowa regarding borrowing items for long terms. The press has not done any favors to Middle America in a long time and I don't expect them to start now.

Thanks for teaching, and continue to hope for the best from our youngsters. We really seem to be devolving as a society when it comes to our young.

64 posted on 06/23/2008 2:49:01 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: dbacks
[Ok, I give it to you that NO has 4 times larger population, but the notion that in 120+K city is “a tightly knit community” is ludicrous. ]

You obviously are not from the midwest.


Yes, I'm not from the Midwest. However, it seems that you misunderstood my post.

I responded to a poster who was explaining away the difference between NOLA looting and Cedar Rapids orderly behavior on the grounds that New Orleans is a large city that is not tightly knit [like supposedly Cedar Rapids]. If Rapids was "a large city", its citizenry, as it appears for poster's reasoning to go, would loot all the same.

Notwithstanding the nonsense, I merely pointed out that calling Rapids with 120,000 people "tightly knit" is wacky.

You seem to take it - being not tightly knit - in a disparaging way. You did describe the bravery and compassion of people in the Midwest. Kudos to them! Especially considering that they DO NOT know each other personally.
65 posted on 06/23/2008 3:22:28 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: donna
In the Soviet Union, was stealing from someone rich considered wrong?

Answer: in the Soviet Union, absolutely EVERYONE was on the take. It was utterly amoral.

66 posted on 06/23/2008 3:35:24 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great (until it happens to YOU)...)
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To: EveningStar
In the Soviet Union, was stealing from someone rich considered wrong?

I would if I had any desire to.

67 posted on 06/23/2008 3:37:05 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great (until it happens to YOU)...)
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To: EveningStar
I don't think so. Looting has never been tied to race, just class and character. If there was a nation wide disaster we'd certainly see our share of looters of all races.

I have been posing the question for 30 years. Only in the last 3-4 years have I seen such wanton disregard, in small town, rural America, for "other people's" rights. I think the times are changing, and the direction of change is toward amorality, or nihilism. But, of course, you are entitled to disagree. Bless you.

68 posted on 06/23/2008 3:40:24 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great (until it happens to YOU)...)
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To: Migraine
I think the times are changing, and the direction of change is toward amorality, or nihilism.

Since you put it that way, I agree with you.

69 posted on 06/23/2008 3:42:53 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
You can post a comment at the site, if you wish.

Ooops! This is the comment I wanted to comment on to this effect: "I would, if I had any desire to". Sorry.

70 posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:46 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great (until it happens to YOU)...)
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To: Migraine

Sokay :)


71 posted on 06/23/2008 3:53:09 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Alter Kaker
Maybe another factor is that people have been free to leave the affected portions of Iowa. The bridges were closed by police and residents weren't allowed to leave New Orleans. If I were imprisoned in a city, I'd probably loot too. It's not like Wal Marts were open for business -- you still need to eat during a natural disaster.

I distinctly remember fat black police officers being followed by the news cameras as they filled shopping carts with loot. What the depraved culture of New Orleans is lacking was not food and beer.

72 posted on 06/23/2008 4:05:23 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: donna
In the Soviet Union, was stealing from someone rich considered wrong?

There were no rich people. They were all comrades working for the greater socialist good. You must seriously need some "re-education" in the dialectic.

See this site for pointers.

73 posted on 06/23/2008 4:11:36 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: dbacks
You obviously are not from the midwest.

Bump. I was going to guess that alecqss has never been to Iowa...

74 posted on 06/23/2008 4:13:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: alecqss
I disagree. My city's pop is 116K, and the drop from under 120K was very recent (last five years). We had two days of strong storms here recently, including a tornado. Lots of folks without power, but nobody without a neighbor to help them out, nobody. Not one incident of looting. Regular citizens took turns watching over blocks without power.

I'm a very regular dame. Over the last ten years, I have kind of kept to myself--not totally out of the social loop, but I keep a lot more time for myself and my family than I used to. Even so, I can probably still walk into any supermarket, mall, bar, church of any denomination, library, union hall, school, you name it--I'll know at least one person by name. Usually more. I'll bet the very same can be said for just about anyone who has lived here for more than two or three years.

It's hard to get away with a crime when the chances are somebody will know you, and that's a pretty big deterrant.

75 posted on 06/23/2008 4:21:04 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: Alter Kaker
Yes, you got it. All 40 million American blacks thinks it's ok to steal and that's what "black culture" says

Forget "steal." What of the OJ jury and numerous polls thereafter; The Black reaction to Tawana Brawley; the Black reaction to the DukeLax case; The high proportion of Blacks who agree with Jeremiah Wright (as measured by polls over the years) and have for a long time, regarding AIDS, government drug-pushing, etc.

The cold hard fact is that a significant proportion (not all of course) of American Black people live not just in a different world but in a different reality than you do; and the rest have assimilated.

76 posted on 06/23/2008 4:26:33 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: glorgau

Yeah, I know. No middle class - only the proletariat. I was just being subtle, LOL.

So, those kids in an American classroom could be right if they are liberal - there is nothing wrong with looting.


77 posted on 06/23/2008 5:03:07 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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To: alecqss
You are way off base and seem to be unable to understand that people in a town of 100,000 can be close knit. I lived in Sioux City and venture a guess that my family knew or knew of over 25% of the locals. My late B-I-L knew more than that as a contractor and Mason. You are really naive!

My dad passed in 1956 but I venture to say he knew 80% of the men in the area, and most of their families. We would go the Sioux City Soos baseball games and he would spend the entire game talking with friends. At Christmas time, he would receive dozens of bottles of booze from Christian and Jewish business friends. BTW, I don't think he ever made more than $4000 in his life. Hardly a business Icon, just a lowly truck salesman during and post WWII.

78 posted on 06/23/2008 5:42:44 PM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: JenB

Just the opposite in Mason City. Friends and neighbors were helping each other clear their stuff out. No looting, no murders, even with no water for almost four days.


79 posted on 06/23/2008 5:52:01 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: massgopguy

That sounds an awful lot like *working*.


80 posted on 06/23/2008 7:26:11 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: festus

BUMP!


81 posted on 06/23/2008 9:22:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: dbacks

“You are really naive!
...I venture to say he knew 80% of the men in the area, and most of their families.”

Cedar Rapids population density is 1,912.6/sq mi. Naivete comes at about 1,600 friends and acquaintances per sq mile...


82 posted on 06/24/2008 6:22:04 AM PDT by alecqss
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To: 50sDad; Alter Kaker
Once, black music gave us R&B, Gospel, Blues and Rock. Today, if you asked someone to give you an example of "black music" they would probably say "Rap". You do the math.

I'd mention Robert Randolph, a Christian rocker who also happens to be one of the best living guitarists.

83 posted on 06/26/2008 10:29:52 AM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: Alter Kaker
My guess is that about as many whites 18-35 listen to barbershop quartets as blacks -- approximately zero, give or take.

My example praises the black influence in music, as I had to go as far as Barbershop Music to reach a type of popular music that didn't have substantial black roots in one form or another.

Incidentally, just under 30,000 men of all ages are members of the Barbershop Harmony Society in the United States, and those are only the performing members; it stands to reason there are more coming to listen to public concerts. And I am still more impressed by tight, close-knit harmony than I am in spoken rhyming words...about drugs, guns, and prostitution. Still waiting for the argument about why self-destructive rap music is more valuable than the other impressive musical styles contributed by black culture, which was my secondary point in all this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbershop_Harmony_Society

Why do rappers, engaged in such a clean and fun profession as glorifying gang violence and drug culture have such a high mortality rate? Is it that they, in that tiny market segment, were raised to believe that the way to settle an argument is down the barrel of a gun? Is there from any perspective that you can honestly say that this is not an example of broken culture?

By the classical way of American thinking, these guys have tons of money...they should be happy. Or at least wise enough to take their money and move the heck away from other gun-laden rappers who, statistics prove, are likely to kill them.

Bill Cosby, Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice and other upstanding black celebrities rise above their initial poverty through hard work and talent, achieve great things, love their families, and become famous...and I hear them being slammed as not "keeping it real", whatever the heck that means. Who wants the "reality" presented in rap music? How can it be defended as art when the images it spreads are of death and disrespecting women?

84 posted on 06/26/2008 10:55:44 AM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: jmc813
I'd mention Robert Randolph, a Christian rocker who also happens to be one of the best living guitarists.

Of course, I in no way want to slight other black musicians who, even today, make valuable contributions. It's just sad that the ones who generally make the most money and see the most notoriety with the mass population are rappers.

And, for my part, let me apologise to everyone for my people, the White Guys, who are idiots enough to sit at the stoplights with rap music blaring out of their cars so loud it vibrates you three cars away. Really sorry about that.

85 posted on 06/26/2008 11:03:58 AM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: Dysart

Exactamundo.


86 posted on 06/26/2008 11:13:12 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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