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N.W.T. minister wants polar bear hunt ban reversed
Canwest News Service ^ | June 23, 2008 | Sheldon Alberts

Posted on 06/23/2008 8:53:50 PM PDT by george76

Bob McLeod is all in favour of protecting Arctic polar bears.

But he thinks the Bush administration is being "hypocritical" by trying to do it at the expense of American big game hunters, who spend millions each year seeking polar bear trophies in Canada's North.

McLeod, the Northwest Territories' minister of human resources, on Monday opened a four-day trip in Washington to protest a Department of the Interior decision in May that prohibits the import of polar bear hides from Canada.

The import ban was automatically triggered when the U.S. listed polar bears as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act, potentially shutting down a hunting industry that has helped sustain remote communities in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut for decades.

"For the record, nobody asked us about it," McLeod says in a speech to be delivered Tuesday.

"This decision will effectively wipe out our sport hunting industry - and with it the livelihood of many of the Inuvialuit people in the Arctic coastal communities of our territory."

Polar bear hunts generate an estimated $3 million in annual revenue in Canada's North...

"We want to see if there are ways around (the endangered species listing) so that the U.S. can continue to allow the importation of hides," said McLeod, who is also meeting with senior Fish and Wildlife officials in Washington.

"If Americans can't come, then we have to focus more on the European market."

(Excerpt) Read more at canada.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; bears; environment; esa; hunting; polarbears

1 posted on 06/23/2008 8:53:52 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Bush again caving to the radical environmentalists. I read s short article, probably here on FR which said the Polar bear population is far from threatened and is in fact rapidly increasing.


2 posted on 06/23/2008 9:01:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: george76

The gist of it is that Polar Bears are being listed in anticipation of (possible) future global warming threats.

However, “protection” only means that, like “protected” African wildlife, now-worthless polar bears are more likely to be shot as dangerous vermin.

Hey, if The People can’t make a few loonies conducting wealthy kablunaaq on trophy hunts for Polar Bear, why put up with the damn things?


3 posted on 06/23/2008 9:02:02 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: george76

Can we hunt them off an Alaskan tree stand (aka oil rig)? ;-)


4 posted on 06/23/2008 9:05:08 PM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: george76
Polar bears hunt big game....seal, walrus, human....

But humans can't hunt big game, like polar bears?

Maybe the do-gooders need to see a polar bear stalking, killing, and casually munching on a human.

Is a polar bear more humane than a human?

5 posted on 06/23/2008 9:10:52 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: yarddog
"I read s short article, probably here on FR which said the Polar bear population is far from threatened and is in fact rapidly increasing."

California has had a ban on black bear hunting for years. That has caused major problems. See a similarity here?

6 posted on 06/23/2008 9:11:33 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: yarddog

Yes, Bush caved. And instead of getting credit for it, he has merely laid the groundwork for years of disputes and propaganda. This is absolutely NUTS. It could end up costing us trillions and putting a stop to drilling everywhere.


7 posted on 06/23/2008 9:13:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FlyVet
"Maybe the do-gooders need to see a polar bear stalking, killing, and casually munching on a human."

They enjoy it so long as it wasn't their ass being lunched on.

8 posted on 06/23/2008 9:14:07 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Cicero
" It could end up costing us trillions and putting a stop to drilling everywhere."

Find some endangered weed or bug and you are right.

9 posted on 06/23/2008 9:16:31 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

Oh, you’ve probably seen some of the “bear attack” videos on YouTube. They really ain’t very nice, like they are on the Coke commercial.


10 posted on 06/23/2008 9:23:01 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

I have read that polar bears are the only bear which will consistently hunt and kill humans. Other bears may do it on odd occasions but polar bears do it as a matter of typical behavior.


11 posted on 06/23/2008 9:26:42 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
There was a great documentary on PBS years ago, about a woman who tried to take her dog sled to the Pole. She got stalked by polar bears, but was desperately able to chase them off with a flare gun.

She was braver than me, I'd rather have a big bore rifle, and a guide with a big bore rifle backing me up.

Ripped apart by a bear is not the way to go. They have no remorse.

12 posted on 06/23/2008 9:32:00 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
"Oh, you’ve probably seen some of the “bear attack” videos on YouTube."

I haven't. But that doesn't matter. Polar bears and Grizzlys do attack and kill humans.

By the way, have you seem the movie "Grizzly Man"? Talk a Darwin Award recipient.

13 posted on 06/23/2008 9:43:06 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: yarddog

Polar bear populations went from 5,000 to 26,000 recently.


14 posted on 06/23/2008 9:55:25 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: blackbart.223

Have not seen any You Tube or PBS video. I believe the author is a canddate for the 2008 Full Blown BS Crazy award.


15 posted on 06/23/2008 9:57:07 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: blackbart.223
That must have been the guy who went out and lived among the grizzlies. Well....he died doing what he loved doing...he probably knew, in the back of his mind, that sooner or later......

Recently, I have seen this Lion Guy in the news who does the same thing, except not out in the wild, inside a caged preserve, more of a controlled environment, but....he probably knows, that sooner or later, his carcass is going to make headlines too.....people do what they do.....whether they try to jump 15 buses on a motorcycle, ride an X-15 into outer space, or live among the lions, I guess.....

16 posted on 06/23/2008 10:03:47 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
"Well....he died doing what he loved doing...he probably knew, in the back of his mind, that sooner or later......"

There are times you twist the dragon's tail due to necessity. And there are times you do it because you are stupid.

17 posted on 06/23/2008 10:12:27 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: george76
hypocritical

Just one of many ways GW has been hypocritical.

18 posted on 06/23/2008 10:20:07 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: blackbart.223

Stupid, maybe, but I’d rather see that kind of “push the limits” attitude, than the current No No No Can’t Can’t Can’t we see among our “leadership”.


19 posted on 06/23/2008 10:22:23 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
"Stupid, maybe, but I’d rather see that kind of “push the limits” attitude, than the current No No No Can’t Can’t Can’t we see among our “leadership”."

I guess I can't argue with that. Unless a bear eats me.

Bart.

20 posted on 06/23/2008 10:26:03 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

I have read more than once that black bears kill more people than Grizzlies. They are not as big or strong as Brown Bears but are still big enough.

Not that they are meaner than grizzlies, they come into contact with people more often.


21 posted on 06/23/2008 10:28:11 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
"I have read more than once that black bears kill more people than Grizzlies."

To my knowledge this is not true. I've been in black bear country many times and have come on them on the trail. They have crappy eyesight and back off when confronted. I know this from firsthand accounts.

22 posted on 06/23/2008 10:35:26 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223
I have met Black Bear in the wild myself and they normally do run away.

Unless Outdoor Life and several other outdoor mags are simply lying, it is true. I have personally seen many accounts of people being killed by Black Bears. I think I have actually seen a couple of them here on FR

Despite the fact that Black Bear are much smaller, they still are plenty large enough.

23 posted on 06/24/2008 7:00:04 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: george76

Kill them all, so we can drill without the distraction.


24 posted on 06/24/2008 8:37:08 AM PDT by montag813
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To: FlyVet
There was a great documentary on PBS years ago, about a woman who tried to take her dog sled to the Pole. She got stalked by polar bears, but was desperately able to chase them off with a flare gun. She was braver than me, I'd rather have a big bore rifle, and a guide with a big bore rifle backing me up.

I didn't see the TV show, but I read the book. The thing that really saved her was the dog that she was given by the Eskimos, I think I remember. It was especially trained to warn people when bears were around, and distract them for a few moments. Without the few seconds warning, you didn't stand a chance. It was hair-raising even to read about.

I'm with you - I wouldn't do it without a huge gun. Well, to be perfectly honest, adventures like that aren't really my cup of tea, so there's no chance I'd ever do it anyway.

25 posted on 06/24/2008 9:21:55 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: yarddog
When I was about 5 years old, my Dad, Mom and I were out hunting. Dad got treed by a black bear. Dad climbed so high in that pine, the bear couldn't reach him. Dad's rifle was at the bottom of the tree. He was up there for about an hour as the bear climbed down the tree and circled it. Mom and I were close enough to the car at the time that we were able to make it to safety inside the car.

Back in the 50's and 60's, it was common to see black bears in Glacier Park. We used to see them all the time. I'll tell you one thing, I'd rather come up against a black bear any day over a grizzly bear. (I have several other stories about my own encounters with black bears)

26 posted on 06/24/2008 2:12:14 PM PDT by mtg
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To: yarddog
"Despite the fact that Black Bear are much smaller, they still are plenty large enough."

But my experience with them tells me they are not as aggressive as polars or grizzlies. I Ran into a rather large one while bow hunting deer at Hunter Lake. (Northwest of Reno if you want to know.) We stared at each other for about a minute and parted ways without a problem.

27 posted on 06/25/2008 12:35:07 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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