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When Wal-Mart Moves In, Neighborhood Businesses Suffer. Right?
Washington Post ^ | June 23, 2008 | Ylan Q. Mui

Posted on 06/24/2008 4:28:02 AM PDT by PurpleMan

"But the pharmacist said not much has changed in the year since the behemoth from Bentonville, Ark., threw open its doors. His loyal clients have not strayed. They like the fact that he delivers for free and remembers most of his customers' names."

"...But local proprietors and community leaders say the fears have not panned out."

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KEYWORDS: retail; smalltown; walmart
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Another liberal, anti-capitalist myth busting in front of our eyes.

Excellent!

1 posted on 06/24/2008 4:28:02 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

Anthony Ramdass? Apparently not.


2 posted on 06/24/2008 4:31:06 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: PurpleMan

“Another liberal, anti-capitalist myth busting in front of our eyes.’

Not liking a virtual monopoly or a particular business is not liberal and its not anti-capitalist. The local Walmarts are taking the distinct atmosphere of a Dollar Store. Only the dollar stores are cleaner and have better customer service.

But hey they both have lead filled candy from China.


3 posted on 06/24/2008 4:31:29 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: PurpleMan

Well my pharmacist just stopped deliveries due to high fuel costs. I a business is good to its customers and offers good services or goods the Wally wont hurt. Small towns were already driving out of town to buy many Wally items or doing mail order.


4 posted on 06/24/2008 4:33:06 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: PurpleMan

Keystone Light sells in my area for about $13 a 30-pack. Sam Adams is still on the shelf, and doing fairly well, to all appearances.


5 posted on 06/24/2008 4:34:07 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: driftdiver

From a Ben Stein article:

“When a Wal-Mart opens in a town, he said, it’s as if everyone in the town got a raise.”

http://www.benstein.com/010904walmart.html


6 posted on 06/24/2008 4:41:32 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan
A Wal-Mart Supercenter move in just up the street, next door to a K-Mart and across the street from a Food Lion.

Everyone expected the K-Mart to close, and the Food Lion to have trouble.

But people still go to these stores at least as much as they used to do. Why?

At the Wal-Mart, the checkout lines are horrendously long, the meat and especially the produce are not very good, and the prices are not that lower. In fact, I find I spend less on groceries at the Food Lion than at the Wal-Mart.

The people are friendlier, and I don't have to park out in the “north 40” when I shop.

7 posted on 06/24/2008 4:47:11 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: fredhead
the meat and especially the produce are not very good,

As opposed to Food Lion, where they just repackage the expired meat?

8 posted on 06/24/2008 4:50:46 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: PurpleMan

When the Wal-Mart supercenter moved to our small town the owner of the local hardware store said it benefited him tremendously. What happened is that Wal-Mart increased the amount of customer traffic in the area for everyone. Many of those potential customers want things the Wal-Mart does not have. Like expert advice about hardware and anything else Wal-Mart refuses to stock because it might sit on the shelf for a month. The local hardware store has trained its staff to give advice concerning everything they sell and they stock or will order practically anything for you. Wal-Mart can’t compete with that.


9 posted on 06/24/2008 4:53:04 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: PurpleMan

My son is a pharmacist intern and he says that older people like going to the same pharmacy. They mostly have insurance or medicare, so they pay the same thing regardless of where they go.

The real small business killers are Home Depot and Lowes. We’ve had several small hardware stores and nurseries go out of business. Their prices are 30 to 40 percent less, so it is good for the consumer anyway.


10 posted on 06/24/2008 4:58:32 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Publius Valerius
where they just repackage the expired meat

Way to believe what the MSM tells you to.

I also understand that Chevy pickups explode, and that Bush dodged the draft.

11 posted on 06/24/2008 4:59:40 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: driftdiver

By the way, Google “wal-mart is evil” and see which web sites get hits.


12 posted on 06/24/2008 4:59:51 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: Publius Valerius
As opposed to Food Lion, where they just repackage the expired meat? Nothing like aged beef!

I buy weekly specials at grocery stores and staples at Wal-Mart. Olive oil, cereal, frozen foods etc. We save a bundle. The wal-mart brand for salad dressings, Crystal Light type drinks, Raisin Bran (Sam's raisin bran has far more raisins too) are half the price of the regular stores. Buy a bunch, stock the pantry, and save on gas too.

13 posted on 06/24/2008 5:04:51 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: PurpleMan
Another liberal, anti-capitalist myth busting in front of our eyes.

That's what I thought, until I read the article.

In order to get permission to operate their business there, and in Chicago, Wal-Mart had to agree not to stock merchandise that competes with local business.

Even worse, Wal-Mart has to spend thousands of dollars on advertising for competing local businsses, as well as teach them how to compete with them.

It still somewhat debunks the myth that Wal-Mart destroys all, and it's still true their affordable merchandise raises everyon'e standard of living, but in this case local businesses used the government to set up a managed economy.

14 posted on 06/24/2008 5:06:44 AM PDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist (The top 1% of income earners earn 17% of the income, but pay 39% of the income taxes. "Fair share?")
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To: PurpleMan

““When a Wal-Mart opens in a town, he said, it’s as if everyone in the town got a raise.””

And Satan is your friend.


15 posted on 06/24/2008 5:09:34 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: PurpleMan

Dislike of Walmart is not liberal or socialist. They have built a tremendously efficient machine. But too much of anything is bad. They have to keep growing even though the market is saturated. Their customer service sucks, product quality is in the toilet and stores are dirty. Where they have most places beat is on price.

Their HQ knows what you bought within an hour of you paying for it. They can track you and your specific buying habits.

Sam built a great foundation but now its all about greed.


16 posted on 06/24/2008 5:13:28 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: laotzu
Way to believe what the MSM tells you to.

Well, when I see video of Food Lion employees repackaging meat and pouring Clorox on pork, yeah, call me crazy, I tend to believe what I see with my own eyes.

Heck, even Food Lion didn't deny that it happened--they just said that ABC blew it out of proportion.

17 posted on 06/24/2008 5:14:05 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: driftdiver
If you do not like WalMart, don't go there. I like their prices on the same items I am going to buy anyway. I just have to pay much less at WalMart.
18 posted on 06/24/2008 5:19:31 AM PDT by John D
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To: Soliton
weekly specials at grocery stores and staples at Wal-Mart.

You know Wal-Mart will price match, right? Just bring in the ad from the local grocery store and Wal-Mart will match it. Might save you a trip.

19 posted on 06/24/2008 5:21:22 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: driftdiver

“And Satan is your friend.”

Thank you, Maj. Frank Burns.


20 posted on 06/24/2008 5:26:41 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: Publius Valerius

Thanks for the advice. I pass two of the stores on the way to Wal-Mart and the quality is better on meat and produce there.


21 posted on 06/24/2008 5:32:20 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: PurpleMan

If all these other stores put as much effort into taking care of their customers (and their employees) as Wal Mart does they could compete.

The one thing you rarely find in any Walmart is Clerk Rage that snide “I don’t get paid enough to deal with you” attitude you can find in any other store chain besides Walmart.


22 posted on 06/24/2008 5:48:08 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: PurpleMan; Mrs.Nooseman; Diana in Wisconsin; bfree; Graybeard58; CSM; metesky; wanderin; ...

WalMart Ping


23 posted on 06/24/2008 5:55:54 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my dad I'm a lobbyist, he thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: PurpleMan

Your welcome, hey you looking to buy a bridge?


24 posted on 06/24/2008 6:03:36 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: John D

“If you do not like WalMart, don’t go there. I like their prices on the same items I am going to buy anyway. I just have to pay much less at WalMart.”

I don’t like Walmart and rarely go there. They force manufactures to reduce the quality for most of their products. thats how they keep the price so low. So yes you can get a pair of jeans at walmart cheaper than most anywhere else. Don’t expect customer service, and don’t expect the material to be of the same quality.

Walmart worship is annoying. Its a stupid company that has grown too big and saturated its market. Its sales are dropping and its losing its family friendly management.


25 posted on 06/24/2008 6:08:58 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Well there is an unbiased opinoin from someone that admits they rarely go to Walmart and wouldn’t buy their products.

Just a simple question really. if you don’t go there and don’t buy there, aren’t your opinions based upon second hand information and the opinions of others?

Name one product whose Manufacturer has publicly complained about being forced to make a lower quality product for them....

That shouldn’t be hard to do nor should an article in the news be hard to dig up proving that point.....


26 posted on 06/24/2008 6:31:52 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: PurpleMan

Wal-Mart is for people who don’t need their hand held just to buy simple items. They have removed the cost of service in areas where service isn’t necessary.


27 posted on 06/24/2008 7:07:30 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Obama is the feces created when shame eats too much stupidity.)
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To: driftdiver
Sam built a great foundation but now its all about greed.

Indeed. I am a former Wal-Mart employee (note the past tense). Sam Walton must be spinning like a gyro right now as the bean-counters are running the shop in a way that Sam would never countenance.

Cases in point: This coming 4th of July week, employees are being cut back from 40 to 32 hours so when they get the holiday pay, the company only pays out for 40 hours. Eight hours x how many employees saves a bundle. NO overtime. If you are one minute over, your work week is cut a couple of hours. (The work hour is broken down to two decimal places and there is no second hand on the time clock. If you are caught standing in front of the time clock waiting to clock out, you are fired.)

Their "You're not an employee, you're an 'Associate' (friend, buddy, pal) now means you have the choice of vaseline or 3-in-One oil when they bend you over. Their open door policy is "Don't let it hit you in the butt when you leave." I left on amicable terms but others got told "this is your last day" or "if you don't like the policy, you can leave." And this is just not one store, according to some Lifers who checked around.

The B/S they are pulling would fill a book and sound like what some guys told me went on during the Depression. When service jobs are all that's available in these small town, you are threaded, i.e. screwed.

28 posted on 06/24/2008 7:13:19 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: usmcobra

‘That shouldn’t be hard to do nor should an article in the news be hard to dig up proving that point.”

You want proof? Have you ever bought clothes there? Sheets? Anything else?

Of course manuf. aren’t going to complain publicly. walmart still has a significant portion of the market. P&G sells around 25% of their products at Walmart.

Whats most amazing is the number of people that are offended when someone doesn’t like walmart. Holding Walmart up as the iconic image of capitalism is farsical. There are many good companies who treat their customers well and still make money.


29 posted on 06/24/2008 7:20:27 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Its sales are dropping

Huh? Wal-Mart's same-store May 08 sales were 9.8% higher than its May 07 sales. That's dropping?

30 posted on 06/24/2008 7:23:46 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: driftdiver
"They force manufactures to reduce the quality for most of their products. thats how they keep the price so low..."

You are making an assertion of truth here. Where is your evidence to back up your statement? Just as with Obama's statement of "This is no longer a Christian nation" saying it does not make it true.

31 posted on 06/24/2008 7:26:10 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Publius Valerius

Walmart has saturated its market. it has no where else to go but down. Perhaps they should put a few starbucks in the walmarts. :)


32 posted on 06/24/2008 7:27:25 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Whats most amazing is the number of people that are offended

It's not that people are offended at all. It's that people are honestly confused by what amounts to irrational hatred of a company for no other reason than that it is supremely successful at what it does. So then confused people will inquire about the irrational hatred, which you confuse with being offended. Maybe the one thing that people are offended by is the attitude of anti-Wal-Mart folks which tends to come accross as "I can't believe you backwoods hillbillies actually shop at Wal-Mart. Are you too stupid to know that Wal-Mart [abuses its employees/won't hire union workers/imports all its products from China/poisons children/starves old people, etc.]?"

For instance, it doesn't offend me that you don't like Wal-Mart. Shop there or don't; I don't care. But when you say things like "its sales are dropping," that's just plain wrong--and I'll chime in. There are hundreds of millions of people that shop at Wal-Mart every year, and apparently it must be doing something right, because lots of these people come back week after week.

33 posted on 06/24/2008 7:32:36 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: driftdiver
it has no where else to go but down

Is that right? How do you explain 10% same store growth year-over-year?

34 posted on 06/24/2008 7:34:50 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: PurpleMan

The surprise here is not the story but that it was from the Washington Post. It has been known for a long time that Walmarts helps growth more than it hurts it. Some businesses may be hurt by Walmart but others see the opportunity in all the traffic Walmart can bring to an area. I shop Walmart, but most of my groceries are bought at Kroger’s and Aldi’s. A Kroger store brand on sale is usually just as good a deal if not better than what you can get at Walmart.


35 posted on 06/24/2008 7:35:03 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: RJS1950

“You are making an assertion of truth here.”

the easiest way to view this is to buy two items and compare. buy a shirt at walmart and one at a place like JC Penneys. Walmart has a lower thread count. the material doesn’t last nearly as long.

There were numerous stories about this a while back. Places like B&D having to reengineer their products to reduce the price.

Walmart buyers tell the product reps they want “China Pricing”. They provide lawn chairs for product reps to use when in Walmart offices.

You like Walmart, good for you. I prefer dealing with a person and not some corporate entity as much as possible.

My first eye opener was when I bought something at Sams. Turned out I could have bought the same thing in a more reasonable size and cheaper at a place that actually treated you like a customer. So I started watching the unit prices. Sure some things are cheaper but many items are more expensive. They bank on the fact that people are well trained and just accept that prices at walmart are always cheaper.


36 posted on 06/24/2008 7:36:54 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Walmart has saturated its market. it has no where else to go but down.


Market saturation is one problem that major chains have to watch out for. However the population of the US is still increasing and urban sprawl is still ongoing. The sprawl may change a bit with the price of crude doing its thing. I’ll wait a bit to see what Wallyworlds long term sales figures are before I commit them to the ash heap of history.


37 posted on 06/24/2008 7:40:10 AM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: Publius Valerius

“It’s not that people are offended at all. It’s that people are honestly confused by what amounts to irrational hatred of a company for no other reason than that it is supremely successful at what it does”

Oh plenty of people are offended. They worship Walmart apparently. I don’t hate Walmart. I just think there are other considerations when buying a product. Quality is a big one. Environment is another.

I stopped going to Target for a long time because it was french owned. I recently started going back and was greatly greatly surprised at the difference in clientel. Not too many MS13 gang bangers going into Target which is a good thing for me.

Walmart sold all its stores in South Korea because it could not compete. The competitor wasn’t cheaper. They just had great customer service and clean stores. They had cute ladies greating you at the door and another cute lady in every aisle to help you. I keep hoping some chain here in the states will take up that customer service model.


38 posted on 06/24/2008 7:44:00 AM PDT by driftdiver
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I avoid Home Depot. They don't have may items that I need.
The lines are to long.
There is an ACE Hardware about 3 blocks from Home Depot that has more REAL Hardware items in stock.
I pay a bit more but they have what I need sitting on the shelf.
39 posted on 06/24/2008 7:53:13 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: PurpleMan

The typical arguments against Walmart only apply in rural towns where people frequented local businesses because they had no other options. The high prices charged by the small stores depressed the standard of living in the small towns. Often, the quality of the items sold wasn’t very good.

Once the Walmart came in, people had an option and didn’t need to pay high prices for a small selection, which served to kill many smaller stores.

In a big city, Walmart is just another retailer. People have the choice of malls and other big box stores. Walmart’s prices are negligibly lower than other stores.

Smaller stores in urban areas don’t directly compete with Walmart since they tend to serve a niche audience who frequent the store for unusual items or higher quality service.


40 posted on 06/24/2008 7:53:19 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: troy McClure

Home Depot and Lowes are about the same. Stay away from their credit programs, very predatory.

Ace is a lot closer and full of friendly people! For plants the local nursery has better quality plants, cheaper service, and is closer.

I’m tired of big box stores and chains in general. No personality or local flavor.


41 posted on 06/24/2008 8:00:24 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: fredhead

Yeah, nobody goes to Wal-Mart, it’s too crowded.


42 posted on 06/24/2008 8:11:30 AM PDT by Perfesser
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To: Perfesser

I’m not saying that nobody goes to Wal-Mart, lots of people do. What I’m saying is that a lot of people go to the other stores to avoid the crowds, and to get better service.


43 posted on 06/24/2008 8:14:57 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: fredhead

I have been steered to some really great “mom & pop” type stores in this area by WalMart employees when WM didn’t have what I was looking for. Granted, I would most likely have eventually found them on my own, but the helpfulness of the folks in WM made moving into a new area a bit easier.


44 posted on 06/24/2008 8:24:44 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my dad I'm a lobbyist, he thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Publius Valerius

Sam built a great foundation but now its all about greed.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You say that as if it is a bad thing.


45 posted on 06/24/2008 8:24:44 AM PDT by Perfesser
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To: RJS1950

The answer to this is simple, go to the parts section of the MTD, Whirlpool, Maytag, or Campbell-Hausfeld website and you can look up the model number of your Wally-world gadget. Very often you will discover part number differs from a same model of gadget made by the same manufactuer for general retail. Not all parts are the same or of the same quality. Just as in days past, companies would make one grade of product they put their name on and cheaper versions they would “brand” for any mass retailer who ordered it.

Good example from back in the day: when you bought a Ted Williams 30-30 from Sears, it was cheaper and used a lower grade of wood and more stampings than the Model 94 30-30 that Winchester put its name on.

To not expect Wal-Mart to use its clout to extort the lowest price it can and to not expect a manufacturer to build to price for the sale is naive.


46 posted on 06/24/2008 8:30:08 AM PDT by M1928A1 Thompson ("A policeman's job is only easy in a police state!")
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To: PurpleMan

**”...But local proprietors and community leaders say the fears have not panned out.”**

LOL!


47 posted on 06/24/2008 9:00:33 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Publius Valerius

Anti-Walmart phobia is a product unions.


48 posted on 06/24/2008 9:36:15 AM PDT by hdstmf
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To: Publius Valerius

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n2_v49/ai_19100540


49 posted on 06/24/2008 9:45:41 AM PDT by TwoSue
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To: Soliton

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n2_v49/ai_19100540


50 posted on 06/24/2008 9:45:58 AM PDT by TwoSue
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