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Evangelist accuses Obama of 'distorting' Bible
CNN ^ | pdated 1:25 p.m. EDT, Tue June 24, 2008 | CNN

Posted on 06/24/2008 7:46:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle

(CNN) -- A top U.S. evangelical leader is accusing Sen. Barack Obama of deliberately distorting the Bible and taking a "fruitcake interpretation" of the U.S. Constitution.

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Responding to Dobson's comments Tuesday evening, Obama sharply disputed the suggestion he was distorting the Bible.

"Someone would be pretty hard pressed to make that argument," he told reporters aboard his campaign plane. "It is a speech that affirms the role of faith not just in my life but in the life of the American people, that suggests that we make a mistake by trying to push faith out of the public square."

"I do make the argument that it's important for folks like myself, who think faith is important, that we try to translate some of our concerns into universal language so we can have open and vigorous debate rather than having religion divide us," Obama said. "And I do suggest that the separation of church and state is important. But there's no, no theological work being done in that speech in terms of the Bible."

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1 posted on 06/24/2008 7:46:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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"I do make the argument that it's important for folks like myself, who think faith is important, that we try to translate some of our concerns into universal language so we can have open and vigorous debate rather than having religion divide us," Obama said

Once again, Obamessiah, claiming to be Christian and a student of the Bible, shows either a) ignorance or b) pretends stuff ain't there

Luke 12:51 KJV

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on Earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

2 posted on 06/24/2008 7:47:59 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

How can Obamessiah distort the Bible????? Obamessiah is the Bible.


3 posted on 06/24/2008 7:48:17 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: F15Eagle
"I do make the argument that it's important for folks like myself, who think faith is important, that we try to translate some of our concerns into universal language so we can have open and vigorous debate rather than having religion divide us," Obama said

Says the man who sat in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years of God Damn America sermons.

4 posted on 06/24/2008 7:50:00 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

Obama: Sermon on Mount Justifies Same-Sex Unions

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080303b.html


5 posted on 06/24/2008 7:52:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Always Right

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080303b.html

CNSNews.com) - Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sunday that he believes the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions. He also told the crowd that his position in favor of legalized abortion does not make him “less Christian.”

fake Messiah does a whole lot better with the Marxist/Leninist material.


6 posted on 06/24/2008 7:54:42 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Alouette; Salem; SJackson; 444Flyer; Esther Ruth; Cindy; blam; Travis McGee; null and void; ...

ping


7 posted on 06/24/2008 7:56:58 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: tflabo

Those hill folk over in Hocking County are such forward-thinking, peace-loving types, donchaknow. Old time religion and target practice ranges moved to Perry and Tuscarawas Counties some time back.

s/


8 posted on 06/24/2008 7:57:41 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: F15Eagle

Dr. Dobson is not an “evangelist.” He is a Ph.D. who practiced psychology for years before starting a radio show.

He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Southern California (1967) in the field of child development. For 14 years Dr. Dobson was an Associate Clinical Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Southern California School of Medicine, and served for 17 years on the Attending Staff of Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles in the Division of Child Development and Medical Genetics. He is a clinical member of the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy and a licensed psychologist in California.

(Some of that is taken from the Focus on the Family website.)


9 posted on 06/24/2008 7:59:15 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: F15Eagle

No one has come forward to endorse and run with my ‘08 Fruitcake’ line of cookies, cakes and candies. I am thrilled about the sucker.


10 posted on 06/24/2008 8:00:28 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: F15Eagle

Notice that Hussein always claims that his opponents are dividing people and not his buddies like Rev. Wright.


11 posted on 06/24/2008 8:02:11 PM PDT by yongin
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To: F15Eagle
Messioboma is no Christian. What he learned in Rev. Wright's church is NOT Christianity. It's racism, and hate. That boy 'ain't got a clue about who Jesus is. I can't wait for the day when the real Messiah, Jesus Christ, introduces Himself to Barack. LOL
12 posted on 06/24/2008 8:03:31 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (If you need help, ask God. If you don*t, thank God!)
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To: F15Eagle
Obama makes my blood boil when he says he is a Christian. Christians are not pro choice/ pro abortion, let alone pro homosexual.

The man is a phony! Obama is starting to make the Clintons look good.

13 posted on 06/24/2008 8:08:21 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (OF COURSE I AM A REPUBLICAN, I BELIEVE IN GOD..........THE GREAT ART LINKLETTER)
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To: F15Eagle

It would be more headline worthy if someone would identify just when/where Obama was baptised as a Christian and just what evangelist CHRISTIANS support same sex couples and the sacrament of aborting a baby outside of the womb when clearly the mother’s health is no longer an issue.


14 posted on 06/24/2008 8:11:30 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: tflabo
If Obama is going to get religious, what does he walk away from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to tell us?
15 posted on 06/24/2008 8:12:38 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: F15Eagle

What it all basically comes down to is that Obama is banal.


16 posted on 06/24/2008 8:14:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Friendofgeorge

Ah but the tactic is plainly obvious for those who’ve been following the elections.

The Left has tried to co-opt Christianity. They keep losing to those voters who “cling” to religion over the issues of abortion and homosexuality. The Left says that these Christian voters vote morals even when the other issues are not to their financial advantage.

The third component to this Religious Left argument is that the Bible instructs us to have a charitable government funded by the taxpayer to give socialism to all.

Of course there is no CHARITY in forced taxation under penalty of law.

And if you are an atheist, or non-Christian, or do not follow the DNC’s brand of Christianity, you are not permitted to opt of of the official State religion.

The ACLU lets the DNC slide on this.

but those are the arguments as they’ve made them in 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004...


17 posted on 06/24/2008 8:16:28 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: F15Eagle
The rats eat that stuff up. Everybody knows it's a lie, but evil man is having his day.

Obama's head would have to open up and bats fly out before he'd lose the demonRat vote.

18 posted on 06/24/2008 8:20:31 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Friendofgeorge

Obama is a phony? They all are phonies. And they all offer the same agenda. It is just what package makes the medicine go down easiest?

They tried “war hero” (of course the man they selected lied to Congress and supported the North Vietnamese troops after his service was over and even was a member of a radical organization that plotted to assassinate elected members of Congress).

They think with a “black” man, that is enough to call anyone who challenges his administration a racist. They think this is a better response than saying he’s being swiftboated. They will just say he’s being lynched. Jeremiah Wright has already made the claim that he was “wrongfully” treated in the media.

Hillary, Barack. They are both Marxists. Any different from that and the agenda Howard Dean was pushing in 2004? He got pulled off the stage not because he screamed, he was unelectable. They traded him the office of DNC head honcho in exchange for letting them substitute a “more passive” radical. “Reporting for Du-ty.”


19 posted on 06/24/2008 8:20:45 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: yongin

Allah’s Apostle {Muhammad} said, ‘Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.’


20 posted on 06/24/2008 8:21:12 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: F15Eagle
All I need to know about Obamessiah's so-called "faith" is that he is as pro-abortion as anyone can possibly be. He voted to allow the hideous partial birth abortion procedure, in which a full term healthy baby is stabbed to death as he or she is being born. No true Christian would support legalizing the premeditated murder of the most innocent people among us as the pro-aborts like Obamessiah do.

I would like very much for my president to be a born again Christian, but the worst kind of unbeliever is the hypocrite who falsely claims to be a Christian for political or monetary gain. I don't think McCain claims to be a bible believing Christian, but at least he isn't a cynical hypocrite professing a faith he doesn't have for political gain, and unlike Obamessiah he does have a pro-life voting record. I would much rather have an unbelieving president who doesn't make a public profession of faith but supports every baby's right to life than one who does make that profession but doesn't have what he professes.

21 posted on 06/24/2008 8:31:34 PM PDT by epow (The question is not "Is God on America's side." but "Is America on God's side?")
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To: F15Eagle

Dobson is the Bo Snerdley of the evangelicals.


22 posted on 06/24/2008 8:34:38 PM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: F15Eagle

Bactrac Hussein Yomama........a Christ-like figure for the masses


23 posted on 06/24/2008 8:45:17 PM PDT by Larry381 (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.)
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To: F15Eagle

It’s Obamessiah vs. the dowdy Pepaws of the conservative movement, that’s how this thing is being framed. Where are our bright young warriors?


24 posted on 06/24/2008 8:55:21 PM PDT by avenir
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To: F15Eagle

Yep and thanks for the ping, F15 Eagle.

#

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2035946/posts?page=2#2


25 posted on 06/24/2008 8:58:42 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: avenir

Where are our bright young warriors?


One of them is in Louisiana, and I hope he gets picked as the VP candidate.


26 posted on 06/24/2008 9:28:02 PM PDT by Moonmad27 (Simplify, simplify, simplify. H.D. Thoreau)
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To: F15Eagle

Dobson bump.

Obama isn’t a Christian. Christians don’t kill babies.


27 posted on 06/24/2008 9:29:57 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: F15Eagle
taking a "fruitcake interpretation" of the U.S. Constitution.

He's a (very) liberal DemonRat, they all take fruitcake interpretations of the Constitution. Strangely enough, they are always such as to allow, or even compel, the government to do just what they want it to do.

28 posted on 06/24/2008 9:45:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: F15Eagle

Note to CNN: Dr James Dobson is not an evangelist. He is not even an ordained minister - he is a psychologist. BTW - I am a supporter of his, and my wife works for him.


29 posted on 06/24/2008 9:55:12 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LouAvul
Obama's head would have to open up and bats fly out before he'd lose the demonRat vote.

Not really they like bats a lot. Moon bats.

30 posted on 06/24/2008 10:43:58 PM PDT by shineon
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To: F15Eagle

“Evangelist accuses Obama of ‘distorting’ Bible.”

(For a second there Eagle, I thought it was an article about you!:))

Good for Dobson. There have been a number of articles about how many “Evangelicals” (whatever that means anymore...sigh) are supporting O. Either the articles are distorted or even church folk are drinking in the circus act.

As you keep saying, “Pray”!


31 posted on 06/24/2008 11:14:29 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: Theo

Amen! Dr. Dobson is one of the most trusted men, and of the greatest repute of our times that I know!!!!!He would be the last to twist words, or to misrepresent the Holy Scriptures, and he is well versed in all of God’s word.


32 posted on 06/25/2008 2:09:15 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: 444Flyer

A bunch of them are drinking the Obama koolaid without knowledge.

My own pastor’s daughter, with a master’s degree from a very conservative Protestant seminary (read that as “fundamentalist” as I generally am) was going to vote for Obama.

That is, until he sent her all the links that I sent him.

He told me he appreciated how I didn’t do the tabloid stuff. I told him I’d only forward things with reasonable credibility.

She is now totally opposed to Obama, once she found out he wasn’t what he was portraying himself to be, to the mainstream public.

I saw his phony commercial two nights ago about his midwesteran “values”.


33 posted on 06/25/2008 6:29:32 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle
One of my close friends is in leadership at her church. She has found in personal conversations with some members that a good number of them are planning on voting for O. She has tried to educate some people, but she said others have become somewhat defensive and even hostile toward the truth of what he is. This is a Bible-believing church with a pretty solid Pastor compared to a lot of what you see out there these days. People will do what they want, but it is our job to honor the Lord to the best of our ability, and I can't in good conscience vote for this lying, flip-flopping, baby killing and GLBT supporting fraud.
34 posted on 06/25/2008 8:50:48 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

I left a church where majority of the people were big liberal Democrats who loved to pitchfork “Bush” (or any Republican President) in Sunday School class. I would think they were secretly glad when I left so they would be less “inhibited” about praising their liberal abortionist candidates and griping about “Bush”. - Ironically, the preacher was supposedly a “conservative”, but wouldn’t preach against voting for abortionist candidates for public office lest he insult his contributors. “Fellowshipping” was really an exercise in futility for the most part. I have never seen such mean and nasty attitudes and behaviors among a group that was supposed to be big “Christians” either. Again, not addressed by the pastor. - Another irony now is that they are also the type in general that wouldn’t vote for either a bi-racial man or a woman (even a Clinton)for President. I don’t know how they’re handling this situation; but I do know that their kind of people created the “Clinton” Dynasty, and now they’re getting what they evidently wanted.


35 posted on 06/25/2008 9:07:02 AM PDT by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !!!)
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To: F15Eagle

36 posted on 06/25/2008 9:13:26 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: Twinkie
When a pastors no longer teach righteousness, holiness, godliness, and speak truth to a corrupt and deceived generation, we have slipped to the bottom of the slope.

Four years ago, at my former church, two of us tried to get people involved in supporting the Federal Marriage Amendment. The pastor didn't support what we were doing (didn't want to get involved in “politics” even though this was a clear moral issue). At the time I said, “Pastor, if this doesn't pass, one day there will be “gay marriage” in CA and it will be too late. Silence.

Some of it has to do with fear of the IRS, but we are to please God rather then man. We are in dire need of strong Godly leadership in the Church because it is greatly lacking.

37 posted on 06/25/2008 9:28:25 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

This is the kind of post that causes me to despair. It is a terrible mistake to try and demonize Obama on religious grounds with a view to weakening him politically. Obama is a very slick political force, even more clever than Clinton. He does not get drawn into fights he does not want to have.

He already knows he cannot lose the religious debate. If, he loses the fight with Dobson 75% to 25% among evangelicals, he is ahead by 25% from the last election. It was reported on CNN yesterday that Obama may already be polling as high as 35% among evangelicals. More important, he cannot lose this debate among Catholics and especially Jews. By escalating the religious elements of this debate it will allow Obama to further soften (clarify) his position on abortion (which he will). He will take the position that he holds sacred the right of the woman to choose, at the same time, he will affirm the sanctity of all human life and call for specific measures to dramatically reduce the number of abortions among young woman. I would even venture that he might propose funding and call on the faith communities to lead this initiative. It will allow him to appear to be the reasonable man, except for the most militant activist who acutely oppose abortion.

The only way to defeat Obama is on pure policy issues. These religious distractions and the attacks on his character only provide him with more ammunition to ramp up the “change” theme of his campaign.


38 posted on 06/25/2008 10:20:37 AM PDT by spatso
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To: 444Flyer

This is the kind of post that causes me to despair. It is a terrible mistake to try and demonize Obama on religious grounds with a view to weakening him politically. Obama is a very slick political force, even more clever than Clinton. He does not get drawn into fights he does not want to have.

He already knows he cannot lose the religious debate. If, he loses the fight with Dobson 75% to 25% among evangelicals, he is ahead by 25% from the last election. It was reported on CNN yesterday that Obama may already be polling as high as 35% among evangelicals. More important, he cannot lose this debate among Catholics and especially Jews. By escalating the religious elements of this debate it will allow Obama to further soften (clarify) his position on abortion (which he will). He will take the position that he holds sacred the right of the woman to choose, at the same time, he will affirm the sanctity of all human life and call for specific measures to dramatically reduce the number of abortions among young woman. I would even venture that he might propose funding and call on the faith communities to lead this initiative. It will allow him to appear to be the reasonable man, except for the most militant activist who acutely oppose abortion.

The only way to defeat Obama is on pure policy issues. These religious distractions and the attacks on his character only provide him with more ammunition to ramp up the “change” theme of his campaign.


39 posted on 06/25/2008 10:20:50 AM PDT by spatso
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To: spatso
He already knows he cannot lose the religious debate.

Hogwash. As one who interacts with evangelicals on a daily basis I can assure there is a large group who are quite shocked and eager to learn of these things.

Just because some idiots out there choose to ignore it does not make it a valid argument. It's every bit as valid as his politics and every bit as suspect.
40 posted on 06/25/2008 10:43:13 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

s/b “Just because some idiots out there choose to ignore it does not make it a invalid argument.”

typo


41 posted on 06/25/2008 10:44:52 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: spatso

But his policy issues have everything to do with religious/moral convictions (example, abortion, “gay” rights, socialist style economics etc.) and for those of faith, you can’t compartmentalize or separate your convictions according to politics vs. every day life. That is exactly why it is on Biblical grounds that Dobson made these statements. If nothing else, maybe people will look more closely at Obama’s true record and policies and not just what comes out of his spin machine and his mouth.


42 posted on 06/25/2008 10:50:44 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: F15Eagle

YOU are not allowed to make tipo’s errrr typOOOs.*<@:P


43 posted on 06/25/2008 10:53:52 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

lol


44 posted on 06/25/2008 11:44:50 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

Look at your post number in the line up.

(Also, just one more humor hijack.)

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/type+O


45 posted on 06/25/2008 12:09:14 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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