Birth Certificate - Email to Hawaii DOH

5/24/08 | HMV

[Hillary'sMoralVoid]

Today I pulled the image of the birth certificate from the Obama website and called the Department of Health in Hawaii and got an email address and sent the birth certificate as an attachment.

I asked them if this image was of a valid, authentic birth certificate. I will let you know their response.

I think we're treating this a bit too lightly, there are many unanswered questions with huge implications, not the least of which is the trustworthiness of the candidate. If DOH says definitively that some fields were manipulated, the logical question would by why? It seems there are many areas of concern, even a question about the marital status of his mother and father.

Again, I will let you know their answers.

[freespirited]

You may not get an answer. Check this out, the cat may have gotten the tongue of the Hawaiian government:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/24/hawaii-vital-records-question-1/

[kc8ukw]

I wouldn’t expect a reply. I think they would have acted on their own by now if they intended to.

[MindBender26]

Sorry, but this has been beaten to death a thousand times.

[Parley Baer]

Notice that Ms Decosta’s birth certificate has a seal stamped on it. Obama’s does not.

[chaos_5]

What we need is someone who was born at the same hospital and around the same time to get a copy of their certificate. Then we can compare them.

[weegee]

See if you can produce a Kenyan birth certificate. One was supposedly located. Maybe it was a rumor. All discussion seems to go to one site as the source.

And the mere existence of a Kenyan birth certificate would not be enough to say that Obama was not born in the United States. It would just point to an attempt to “cover all the bases” by giving Obama a claim at dual citizenship.

And if the US certificate presents problems...

[txhurl]

If they ignore you, you might call HI’s secretary of state and ask why is there a birth certificate with no seal floating around the internet?

[buffyt]

I hope SOMETHING can STOP Obama

[wastedyears]

You either won’t get an answer, or you will but they’ll tell you that it’s absolutely a valid and legal birth certificate.

Your computer may also become slow and unresponsive. No, it’s not your internet connection.

[buffyt]

He is so PRO ABORTION
He is LUCKY that his mother wasn’t

[buffyt]

He is so wonderful that his father dumped him
His mother did too

[DemonDeac]

As bad as the guy is and as many questions as there are about him I just can’t imagine he could get this far in the process as a non-citizen. You just couldn’t keep something like that underwraps in a campaign that has been going on this long. It would have leaked out very quickly.

[Snurple]

No she didn’t, he threw her and his white granny under the bus.

[lucysmom]

And the mere existence of a Kenyan birth certificate would not be enough to say that Obama was not born in the United States. It would just point to an attempt to “cover all the bases” by giving Obama a claim at dual citizenship.

From the Kenya High Commission

Section 90 of the Constitution of Kenya states that:

A Person born outside Kenya after 11th December, 1963 shall become a citizen of Kenya at the date of his/her birth if at that date his/her father was a citizen of Kenya.

and

Kenya Constitution Section 97 (1) (6) (a) states that:

Any person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of another country other than Kenya shall cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date (6)(a) that is: twenty-three (23) years.

http://www.kenyahighcommission.net/passports.html

So it appears that Obama wouldn't need a fake Kenyan birth certificate to claim citizenship and couldn't maintain dual citizenship after 23.

[weegee]

All I know if I had a great grandfather who came to this country at age 5 and if I recall family lore, his birth certificate and paperwork at the court house in this country were lost along the way because of a fire. In his nineties he had to go through naturalization.

Now if that is good for a “normal citizen” I think it is only fair for someone who wants to be our next President man up and show the paperwork. Barry knocked another Democrat out of his first primary race because she didn’t dot every T and cross every I in Illinois. Only seems fair to demand he do the same.

[chaosagent]

“What we need is someone who was born at the same hospital and around the same time to get a copy of their certificate. Then we can compare them.”

Might be hard.

Seems like I saw somewhere that the hospital listed as his birthplace on one website wasn’t built until 1989.

[Kirkwood]

I think Obama’s people released this knowing it would drive some of you totally nuts. They must be laughing their butts off.

[Libloather]

Again, I will let you know their answers.

Post-it note reminder - December is too late!

[weegee]

And Kerry never HAS released his 180 form and his diary to public scrutiny. Showing them privately to a Boston Glob reporter does not count.

The Boston Glob ran an article about some discredited PORN site photos as “evidence” of US troops raping Iraqi women. The photos had already been proven to be frauds. An Egyptian newspaper had already apologized. But the Glob presented it as fact.

Just because the Rats may be “laughing” about not releasing paperwork doesn't mean that they aren't still crooks pushing candidates who are INELIGIBLE for the White House (Kerry too as a traitor was ineligible for the office).

[Stentor]

He must have a passport.

[Nasher]

Just viewed this video where the point is brought up that the messiah might not be a naturalized U.S. citizen. This would legally disqualify him from running for POTUS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXNLLAk9gek&NR=1

[Wil H]

I wouldn’t expect a reply. I think they would have acted on their own by now if they intended to.

Then we should swamp them with questions about this until they realize it aint going away until they answer satisfactorily.

[Red Steel]

With what I’ve seen from the Dems, it’s possible.

[txhurl]

ping

[varina davis]

bookmARK

[angelsonmyside]

bump

[nikos1121]

“Senator Obama, there has been speculation from informed sources that the birth certificate posted on your website is a fake and not an official document issued by the State of Hawaii. When one searches public archives there is no record of you being born in Hawaii or of a marriage between your parents. In addition, two websites list two different hospitals as your hospital of birth. People are asking if you indeed were born here or in Kenya. Would you be willing to release your original birth certificate and hospital records to lay these malicious rumors to rest?”

[nikos1121]

I’ve casually researched Obama’s birth history over the past several days. As you know it’s largely taken from his own auto-bio and has never been corroborated by anyone independently.

Here’s what I and others have found:

1. TWO HOSPITALS LISTED AS BEING WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN

I googled “Obama’s birthplace” and got the following:
From Wikipedia

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama )

Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kansas.

COMMENT:This is different from what other sites list including Obama friendly sites. They state that OBAMA was born at Queen’s Medical Center.

( see:http://www.barackobamaismyhomeboy.com/biography )

ALSO: Kapiolani Hospital did not open until 1989 although the Hospital for women and children was open at the time.

This discrepancy in my mind is interesting BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY.

2. NO RECORD OF BIRTH OR MARRIAGE OF PARENTS.

I searched via the pay investigative site Ancestry.com for Barry or Barack Obama, or Barry or Barack Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham etc. and keyed in also Aug 4, 1961 and Hawaii, and Honolulu etc. and came up with no record of a birth or marriage. Others have checked this through similar but different searches and also found nothing.

3. BIRTH CERTIFICATE CLEARLY A FORGERY

The Birth Certificate posted on the Obama website and Daily Kos appears to be a forgery.

Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034411/posts

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034476/posts

and this posting of yours

http://beta.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2035307,1

4. NO EYE WITNESSES OF BIRTH

There have been no eye witnesses of Obama’s birth from the hospital. No nurse or doctor coming forth to recall caring for the mother or child.

5. KENYAN RELATIVES HAVE TOLD REPORTERS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA

It has been reported that Kenyan relatives initially had said that Obama was born there but are silent about this now.

Please see: http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birth-circumstances-review.html

6. GRANDMOTHER IS KEPT AWAY FROM MEDIA

The grandmother has been kept away from the MSM perhaps because she knows the truth about Obama’s birth and parents marital status.

Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2034644/posts

This man is running for the presidency of the United States. It seems fair and proper that the public knows his birth history and pedigree.

[Beckwith]

Obama was registered as a citizen of Indonesia at two schools in Jakarta - - does he still have Indonesian citizenship.

[AmericaUnited]

Obama’s says “Date Filed with Registrar”. All the legit ones say “Date ACCEPTED by State Registrar”.

As was pointed out in another thread, this language is VERY SIGNIFICANT!!! When a reputable organization such as a hospital submits a birth certificate, the state automatically accepts it as good. If a “questionable”/”nonofficial” entity submits one, they just say “Filed”.

So the $64,000 question is why was Obama’s not automatically accepted. Was it privately submitted? Does this shed light on why there are two different claims as to which hospital he was born at? If he was born at either one, they would have submitted the BC and it would have been accepted.

[AmericaUnited]

See #32

[AmericaUnited]

There is something fishy about the balcked out certifcate #, since all legit ones show it is just “151 YYYY - NNNNNN” where NNNNNN is the number of births at that point in the year, and YYYY is the year.

So if Obama was the 8000th birth filed in 1961, his number would be 151 1961-008000

[RipSawyer]

There can be no doubt the document on the internet is invalid, it says at the bottom that any alteration invalidates it and the serial number has been blocked out. The real question is does a valid document exist somewhere which can be produced at the opportune moment to make Obama come out smelling like a rose and if not will anyone who matters pay any attention. If I had to bet I would say that Obama is NOT a native born American citizen and probably not a citizen at all but that is just my opinion.

[Salamander]

You’d be amazed at what can be hidden if no one really bothers to look.

I know a guy who *was* legally married and then got divorced.

He and his shack-up have been using photo copies of that “whited-out” marriage license with the shack-up’s name filled in over the whited-out real name for over 30 years as “proof of marriage” for everything from school records to tax filing to bank loans.

For whatever reason, no one the photocopy has been presented to has ever questioned it.

You’d think banks and the IRS, especially would insist they provide a new replacement copy obtained from the originating court house but they never have.

[and it’s stupid on their part because MD recognizes no “common law marriages”]

As a contrast, when I got married, I had to provide an original an SS# card, birth certificate and marriage license before I was allowed onto hubby’s health insurance policy.

[spotbust1]

place holder ping

[jazzlite]

...”This man is running for the presidency of the United States. It seems fair and proper that the public knows his birth history and pedigree”...

You know, I doubt that this population, as uninformed as it now is and as disrespectful of history and true facts, would give two hoots. We are being run by celebrity and youth and we run a high risk of being taken over by those who hate us. Youth, charisma, looking sexy, riches, partying, being a part of the “in” crowd are what matter. Young people in their rebellious phase latch on to these things, only to learn later that they do not satisfy and even, that they destroy lives. As I read about a possible recession this a.m. and certainly, gas and food prices, inflation, the housing crisis, and OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA, with hardly a peep from the other side, I weep and pray that God will awaken our great nation to truth, a real “love thy neighbor” attitude, and to a wisdom which has been lost because of corruption in our institutions for the sake of personal power and ambition. I still do have that “hope” which Obama mentions so often but my “hope” is that we will see God act in a way which will correct some of this.

[Always Right]

Interesting, the real one has a signature stamp and seal stamp bleeding through from the back. Obama’s only has a date stamp that is bleeding through.

[mikey_hates_everything]

I’d just like to know if the person who did the blood type analysis when Obama was born was killed in a freak elevator accident.

[nikos1121]

I agree with you. YOuth can be a GOOD THING esp when it ushers in the new. But in this case it’s a disguise. There is really only one reason why the democrats are for high oil prices and against unleashing American know how...It’s to keep the poor and uneducated depenedent on them. They want this country to go to hell in a hand basket so they can take it over with more gov’t intervention and control of our lives. THey want the end to families, designer babies, globalization...etc.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Obama’s birth certificate is locked in the same vault as Adali Stevenson's Harvard transcript.

And they both had odd first names.

[rustyncrusty]

later read

[Andonius_99]

You know, I doubt that this population, as uninformed as it now is and as disrespectful of history and true facts, would give two hoots. We are being run by celebrity and youth and we run a high risk of being taken over by those who hate us. Youth, charisma, looking sexy, riches, partying, being a part of the “in” crowd are what matter.

I think you just described this movie...

Sad thing is, although it's meant to be a sarcastic movie, it really sums up where I think this country is headed if something doesn't snap us out of this perpetual reign of stupidity...

[nikos1121]

I’m asking all of us here to email Drudge today about the fake Birth Certificate and other things. If enough of us get the same message out..and repost it....it will catch wind. I’ve sent this to the Hillary and Daily Kos sites asking them to explain the document. I’ve sent this to Hannity, Michelle Malkin also. No response.

PLease, let’s all get this out. If the guy is who he says he is, then fine. We’ll drop it. But we owe to the people of this country to get the message out today!!!!!

[Hillary'sMoralVoid]

Health Records also — why is Obama not releasing them?

[Hillary'sMoralVoid]

Health Records also — why is Obama not releasing them?

[nikos1121]

I didn’t know that he had not released them.

As a doctor, I would say that he appears physically fit. He’s a smoker, but there’s been something that has bothered me from day 1, and that being his hx of cocaine use.

I have NEVER EVER met a cocaine user who was completely honest, in fact there is something about that drug and the people who use it that seems to attract deceptive and dishonest behavior.

I think we’re seeing the pattern already. He’s conniving, sneaky, dishonest. I think the Birth Certificate fiasco plays us all as fools...

I think his mother tried to get Hawaii born birth certificate but didn’t succeed. Instead he became a naturalized citizen of the USA. I suspect he’s used that phony BC along the way. How he got a Passport?
Who knows.

[lucysmom]

Obama was registered as a citizen of Indonesia at two schools in Jakarta - - does he still have Indonesian citizenship.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship

Indonesian citizenship is given to:

1. A child born of the marriage of an Indonesian couple;
2. A child born of the marriage of an Indonesian man and foreign woman -- the status of which does not cause dual citizenship;
3. A child born of the marriage of a foreign man and Indonesian woman, both of whom request Indonesian citizenship for their child -- the status of which does not cause dual citizenship;
4. A child born to an unmarried Indonesian woman, the status of which does not cause dual citizenship;
5. A child born in Indonesian territory that is not provided with citizenship by his or her parents;
6. A child born in Indonesian territory whose parents are unknown;
7. A child born in Indonesian territory whose parents have no citizenship.

http://www.expat.or.id/info/revisiontocitizenshiplaw.html

It appears that Obama couldn't have legally been registered as an Indonesian citizen unless he was born there. (certainly someone would have noticed that Obama didn't look like his Indonesian "father")