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James ("rip child apart on stand") Fagan is on board of directors of Boys & Girls Clubs of Tauton
James Fagan website ^ | 6-25-08 | Doug from Upland

Posted on 06/25/2008 9:07:58 AM PDT by doug from upland

By now, many of you have seen the outrageous comments of Massachusetts State Representative James Fagan, a Democrat. In defending a child rapist, he would tear apart the child on the stand and ruin the child's life forever. He made the comments arrogantly and shamelessly. Watch it here.

FAGAN'S WEBSITE SHOWS HOW IS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL CHILDREN'S ORGANIZATIONS.

ORGANIZATIONS: Massachusetts Academy of Trial Lawyers; Taunton Boys & Girls Club (Board of Directors); Taunton Little League; Taunton Youth Basketball Coach; Massachusetts Bar Foundation; Massachusetts Waterfowlers, Inc.; Babe Ruth League; High School Umpire; Bristol Ducks Unlimited; Southeastern New England Area Boys' Clubs of America (past Chairman).

CONTACT INFO FOR THE BOYS & GIRLS CLUB. You might want to call as I did and ask if he is going to be removed from the board.

I called FOX 25, the station that did the story and gave them a heads up on the boys and girls club angle. In a call to Fagan's office, they had no info about whether he would remove himself or be removed by the board.

FAGAN'S OFFICE: 617-722-2040



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boysclubs; childrapist; evil; fagan; homosexualagenda; jamesfagan; jessicaslaw; lawyer; legalsystem; nambla; pedophile; predator; psycho; sexabuse; sexualpredator

1 posted on 06/25/2008 9:07:59 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

been saying for years that pedophilia is the massachusetts state sport.


2 posted on 06/25/2008 9:09:12 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: doug from upland

I would not be comfortable having him near my children.


3 posted on 06/25/2008 9:10:18 AM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: doug from upland

Yes, and a number of other childrens’ groups, as I pointed out on the first thread.

I’d be interested in knowing if he has kids of his own who belong to these organizations, or if he is simply a predator.


4 posted on 06/25/2008 9:12:30 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: doug from upland

He’s probably only on the board to assuage his guilt...oh, wait, guilt is a HUMAN emotion.


5 posted on 06/25/2008 9:12:51 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Cicero

Sorry, Cicero, I didn’t see that info earlier. Hat tip to you for finding it. :) Pressure needs to be brought on any child’s organization with which he is affiliated.


6 posted on 06/25/2008 9:14:39 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: Jane Austen

He WOULDN’T be near my children


7 posted on 06/25/2008 9:14:47 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: doug from upland

Give the man a prime time speaking gig at the DNC convention.


8 posted on 06/25/2008 9:14:53 AM PDT by freespirited (A Democrat is a person who lives in fear that someone, somewhere is proud to be an American.)
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To: doug from upland

The accused have a right to face their accuser. Its in the Constitution..Oh, and its not just women who have that right, its everybody.


9 posted on 06/25/2008 9:15:09 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Cicero

I believe he has 5 or 6 children. All boys


10 posted on 06/25/2008 9:16:01 AM PDT by lonerepubinma
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To: Nonstatist
The accused have a right to face their accuser. Its in the Constitution..Oh, and its not just women who have that right, its everybody.

Of course, but it's fools like him that put that right in danger. He should keep his mouth shut and not make such inflammatory remarks, which only damage the important presumption of innocence that all accused should enjoy.

11 posted on 06/25/2008 9:18:22 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Nonstatist

Face the accuser, certainly. When liberty is at stake, we all need that protection. Fagan, however, went way over the top. He was drooling at the prospect of being able, not to just defend his client, but to destroy the life of a child. That arrogant SOB has no business being around children.


12 posted on 06/25/2008 9:19:34 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland

He’ll get a pass. They always do.


13 posted on 06/25/2008 9:19:37 AM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: doug from upland

By Fagan’s own words he does not represent the children of his district, only their accused rapists. He serves one master. He was apoplectic on that tape of his rant in the House of Reprehensibles. Too bad he didn’t keel over.


14 posted on 06/25/2008 9:20:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jane Austen
of course we all know that he was just making a "point"....but to use such filthy disgusting lanquage directed towards young girls who are victims of rape/abuse shows a total lack of compassion, common sense, or virtue....

if there any viable candidate to run against him?....

15 posted on 06/25/2008 9:23:45 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Nonstatist
the accuser has the right to accuse...without fearing for life nor limb just for making the accusation....

the victims have rights too...

16 posted on 06/25/2008 9:25:42 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Nonstatist
the accuser has the right to accuse...without fearing for life nor limb just for making the accusation....

the victims have rights too...

17 posted on 06/25/2008 9:25:49 AM PDT by cherry
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To: doug from upland

I expect no better from a Democrat.


18 posted on 06/25/2008 9:26:24 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: Old Sarge
He’ll get a pass. They always do.

True. Unless they spell "potato" wrong. That sort of thing can end a politician's career.

19 posted on 06/25/2008 9:26:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: lonerepubinma
"I believe he has 5 or 6 children. All boys"

that certainly figures....

20 posted on 06/25/2008 9:26:32 AM PDT by cherry
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To: doug from upland
Fagan, however, went way over the top

Maybe so, but you dont see a danger in "mandatory" sentences? Mandatory "sentences" in the school room end up with 12 year olds getting sexual offender status for giving a girl a hug. You want to take everybody off the hook for sentencing a husband to life imprisonment because his shrewish wife got her kids to comply with spurious charges of abuse against him?

Its hard not to notice that is men that end up getting screwed by this "automatic" sentencing, and not women. .. Mandatory anything gives me the heebee jeebees.

21 posted on 06/25/2008 9:32:29 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: massgopguy

He was apoplectic on that tape of his rant in the House of Reprehensibles.

>b>Not good enough!


22 posted on 06/25/2008 9:35:01 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: doug from upland

This outrage coming from Massachusetts makes me not surprised at anything.


23 posted on 06/25/2008 9:39:31 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: cherry
the victims have rights too...

You have the right to face your accuser. That is to say, men also have the right to face their accuser. It's in the Constitution.

A courtroom is not a County fair, and if I was looking at mandatory life imprisonment because some woman looking to "punish" me trumped up sex charges and indoctrinated her kids against me, Id want to be vigorously defended as if my life depended on the Truth. Because it would.

24 posted on 06/25/2008 9:42:18 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

Maybe so? Just maybe so? Nice diversion with the 12-year-old getting sexual offender status for giving a girl a hug. We are not talking about a hug. We are talking about child rapists and set of aggravating factors. Your argument doesn’t fly, counselor. I pray that your own daughter never has to face James Fagan.

New minimum sentences for child-rape clear Massachusetts house
6/5/2008
By Edward Mason

BOSTON — The Massachusetts House last night approved tough new penalties for child rapists and predators, but Republicans and some child welfare advocates said the Democratic-backed bill did not go far enough.

The bill, based on Florida’s Jessica’s Law, passed by the House 142-3, provides a series of mandatory sentences against child rapists, created three new types of crimes child predators can be prosecuted for, and added a host of aggravating factors — such as whether a weapon is used in the crime — to lengthen an assailant’s time in prison.

Supporters said the bill protected children while providing more stringent sentences for child sex offenders.

“It’s definitely tough enough,” said Rep. Michael Costello, D-Newburyport. “Every district attorney supports it and the attorney general helped draft it. Anyone who says it’s not tough enough is playing a political game.”

Republican Rep. Karyn Polito, who has pushed the Legislature unsuccessfully to pass a version of Jessica’s Law for three years, said the House measure did not guarantee a rapist or child predator would serve any time.

“When we say ‘rape of a child’ in Massachusetts,” Polito said on the House floor, “it should mean guaranteed jail time.”

The House bill, which must be approved by the Senate, would create three new criminal child rape crimes: aggravated, forcible child rape; aggravated statutory child rape; and aggravated assault and battery on a child.

The bill also increases to 15 years the current 10-year mandatory minimum sentence for raping a child while using a weapon.

It creates a mandatory minimum sentence for child rape, including 20 years for a subsequent offense for rape with force and 15 years for rape of a child with a weapon. It creates new aggravating factors for new crimes, such as forcing drugs or alcohol on the victim.

And it allows prosecutors to charge a subsequent offense for those who have previously been convicted of crimes such as indecent assault and battery on a child or attempted child rape.

Essex District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett said by adding different offenses, prosecutors have more ways to put child predators behind bars.

“It gives us more tools to prosecute predators,” Blodgett said.

District attorneys also could issue subpoenas to more easily obtain the identities of people using computer accounts to lure children, something Blodgett also supports.

The bill is based on a Florida law named for Jessica Lunsford, a 10-year-old Florida girl abducted, raped and murdered by a repeat sex offender. Since 2005, 42 states have passed identical laws, including mandatory minimum sentences for first-time offenders.

Polito said she wanted to set a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence for first-time child rapists, tougher than in the House bill.

“It (the House bill) still does not guarantee a convicted child rapist will do even one day in jail,” Polito said.

Child advocates said a “modified” version of Jessica’s Law wasn’t good enough.

“This makes things a little better,” said Laurie Myers, with the child advocacy group CommunityVoices. “But it’s not Jessica’s Law.”

Rep. Bradford Hill, R-Ipswich, also thought the House bill would have been better with the mandatory sentences.

“It could have been stronger,” Hill said.

But Hill said he is a realist and accepts a bill that is strong, though not everything he wanted.

Democrats though said having too many offenses with mandatory minimum sentences strips prosecutors of the leverage they need to secure a plea bargain when a conviction is difficult to come by. Costello, a former prosecutor, said getting a predator to agree to jail time convicted means they’ll be punished and, importantly, get placed on the state’s sex offender register.

“You get something rather than nothing,” Costello said.


25 posted on 06/25/2008 9:43:54 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland

It is embarassing that he belongs to Ducks Unlimited as well!


26 posted on 06/25/2008 9:52:00 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: doug from upland

No problem. I don’t know if he’s got problems in his personal life, but in any case what he said publicly is not the sort of thing a sponsor of childrens’ organizations should be saying. It deserves having attention called to it.


27 posted on 06/25/2008 9:54:51 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: doug from upland

He should be removed from any boys and girls clubs.


28 posted on 06/25/2008 9:54:51 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Nonstatist
The accused have a right to face their accuser.

Yeah, and these slime buckets count on that loophole when choosing a helpless child for their victim. Ha ha, I can do whatever I want to you, because you'll be a basket case afterwards and I'll skate because your mommy and daddy won't let you testify because they know my lawyer will mess up your head even worse than I did.

Children have a right to blow the whistle on their attackers and to have adults handle the prosecution. Videotaped testimony from the child, physical evidence, and testimony from adults who have witnessed relevant events and behaviors before, during, and after the crime, is plenty.

29 posted on 06/25/2008 9:55:20 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Nonstatist
too close to home for ya?.....

besides, the anger is directed at what he threatened he would do or lawyers would do to young rape/assualt victims, be they male or female....it is anger at the bill or his opposition to it....

30 posted on 06/25/2008 10:00:27 AM PDT by cherry
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To: doug from upland
For what it is worth, as a member of Ducks Unlimited, I just wrote an email to them requesting that this scumbag be removed from membership and permanently banned from the organization.

Hunters take enough hits from society without this!

31 posted on 06/25/2008 10:00:38 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Nonstatist
why are you making this another male vs female issue?...

it has nothing at all to do with gender...

boys are victims of rape/assualt all the time...

go to the female bashing threads if thats what you're wanting...there's plenty of them...

32 posted on 06/25/2008 10:03:16 AM PDT by cherry
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To: doug from upland
I pray that your own daughter never has to face James Fagan

Nice hyperbole, counselor. Stranger rapes are not all that common, as you probably know. Several sources I've seen suggest something like 46 percent of rapes are caused by "family members" and 50 to 78 percent by someone they know. Domestic disputes elevated to a pretty severe showdown of wills. But is it rape?

If theres a gun involved, or other aggravating factors, I'm fine with this. But this bill is more than that, IMO. IMO this is just another attempt to codify mandatory this, and mandatory that. Cookie cutter justice. Scary.

33 posted on 06/25/2008 10:04:57 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: cherry
it has nothing at all to do with gender

Of course not, Cherry. Cherry would never rape anybody, and nobody Cherry cares about would ever be dishonestly accused of rape. You're a very special lady.

BTW, studies are disputed but lots of good data suggests false accusations of rape are somewhere between 30 and 50 % of all accusations. Fed. gov. statistics say that 10 - 15 % of accusations are knocked down in the first 48 hours.

In my opininion, mandatory sentencing for rape is dumb, no matter how corrupt Massachusetts is. It may be a notoriously under reported crime, but its also notoriously over reported, as well. A dicey slope to climb.

34 posted on 06/25/2008 10:19:38 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Children have a right to blow the whistle on their attackers and to have adults handle the prosecution. Videotaped testimony from the child, physical evidence, and testimony from adults who have witnessed relevant events and behaviors before, during, and after the crime, is plenty.

Then sentencing based on "videotaped" asccusations should not be mandatory.. Mandatory! And you can't cross examine the accuser??

The proliferation of flase rape claims (ie Duke Lacrosse Case) is a direct result of the loosening of due process protections under the law. Does anyone remember the numerous group molestation cases form the 80's, in particular the ones pursued by Janet Reno ( is she a favorite of people here?) Every one , and I mean every one of those case were spurious frauds. Young kids brainwashed by social workers to spout enormous lies, which were swallowed whole by a hystericalized jury. Shameful misjustices.

35 posted on 06/25/2008 10:36:29 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

A coourt is no more likely to get the truth from a child being grilled in the courtroom by a hostile defense attorney, than from a child being videotaped answering questions posed by a social worker who made up her mind before the interview that the child had been molested. There are plenty of reasonable steps that can be taken to allow for a fair trial without putting a child on the stand to be interrogated by a defense attorney. Defense attorneys should be allowed to supply questions to be asked in a videotaped session outside the courtroom, and should be allowed to veto certain questioners just as jurors can be selectively excluded. And of course, the defense attorney is free to point out, and to bring in expert witnesses to testify, that children have often been led into making accusations of this nature that later turned out to be false. If a jury is viewing both the questioner and the child in the videotaped testimony, the jurors should be able to form some reasonable opinion as to whether the questioner is somehow leading the child and/or whether the child seems to be reciting things rather than speaking from memory. And obviously, if there is no clear physical evidence or convincing testimony from adult witnesses, a defense attorney would emphasize those points to a jury.


36 posted on 06/25/2008 12:15:54 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: doug from upland
It is not child abuse! It is an "alternative lifestyle"!
37 posted on 06/25/2008 1:10:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And obviously, if there is no clear physical evidence or convincing testimony from adult witnesses, a defense attorney would emphasize those points to a jury.

The problem with "rape" cases in particular is that , especially with children involved, the jury pool has a tendency to be highly emotionalized, and how are you going to be able to ascertain whether the child has been coached, unless you talk to them directly (and even then?).Like I said, all the cases of group rape in the 80s were proven false, yet perfectly well meaning jurists were bamboozled by dishonest publicity seeking prosecutors (a la Reno). In one case in Mass., the kids told stories of gigantic elephants and the like, and the jury voted to convict anyway.

The difference in penalties between rape and theft is huge, yet we're left with the word of a child,un challenged, to convict ?

BTW, do you know the context of Fagans words? The State want to impose mandatory penalties, even if the judge is unconvinced by the "childs " testimony. I, for one, am not comfortable with that, carte blanche. In Massachusetts, particularly.

38 posted on 06/25/2008 1:31:44 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: doug from upland

You can’t blame Fagan for forseeing the obvious. With mandatory sentences, the accused will have every incentive to defend themselves vigorously. This is inevitable.

Perhaps it is a price worth paying in order to have the mandatory sentences, perhaps not. But it will happen.

You can’t blame Fagan for that.


39 posted on 06/25/2008 1:32:21 PM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: Nonstatist
A courtroom is not a County fair, and if I was looking at mandatory life imprisonment because some woman looking to "punish" me trumped up sex charges and indoctrinated her kids against me

I would have to agree with you there... I have a friend that told me when he was a teenager... he hung out with this guy who was really popular with the ladies. And this guy could pick and choose who he wanted to be with... well... a pair of girls who were "rejected" trumped up a charge of rape against both of these guys. Fortunately, the judge saw through this and threw the case out. Afterwards... the judge told the two boys... "Son, you need to be more careful who you are around with..."

The point is... the courtroom can also be used for nefarious purposes by women and kids to "punish" a man. And believe me you... I would want the BEST attorney in the world to keep me out of jail... because I would be innocent... I'm not going to jail for twenty years because some kid or woman got "mad" at me...

this is the paradox of the court system... it all depends on who the judge or the jury believes... However, I wouldn't speak publically like that a-hole did...

40 posted on 06/25/2008 1:41:58 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Cicero; doug from upland
Wonder how close he's been to this guy - Rust-Tierney. He was formerly state director of the ACLU and was also an Arlington County VA youth sports coach.

He got caught with a bunch of kiddie porn.

Anyway, Fagan's threats to children made on the floor of the legislature should probably be noted by all those organizations and he should be BANNED FOR LIFE.

I suspect it's just a matter of time and we'll find some folks out there whove been waiting for the opportunity to bust this guy.

41 posted on 06/25/2008 1:44:13 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Cicero; doug from upland
Wonder how close he's been to this guy - Rust-Tierney. He was formerly state director of the ACLU and was also an Arlington County VA youth sports coach.

He got caught with a bunch of kiddie porn.

Anyway, Fagan's threats to children made on the floor of the legislature should probably be noted by all those organizations and he should be BANNED FOR LIFE.

I suspect it's just a matter of time and we'll find some folks out there whove been waiting for the opportunity to bust this guy.

42 posted on 06/25/2008 1:44:14 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: doug from upland
But I thought Fagan liked little boys...

-PJ

43 posted on 06/25/2008 1:47:20 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: cherry
"that figures"?

Are you suggesting he's embuggering his sons? Or, that he had the daughters terminated so he wouldn't be distracted. Or....... all kinds of things.

Not sure we can figure out what "figures" unless you spell it out for us.

44 posted on 06/25/2008 1:49:46 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Nonstatist

It depends on what sort of rape, doesn’t it? An accusation of “date rape” is very different from the brutal rape of a child, of which he was found guilty.


45 posted on 06/25/2008 1:57:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Redleg Duke

Thank you - I’ve brought it up to Ducks Unlimited also. Maybe if enough of us let them know how we think, they’ll get rid of him!


46 posted on 06/25/2008 2:03:20 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Nonstatist

The word of the child won’t go unchallenged unless the defense attorney chooses to allow that. The defense attorney can point out inconsistent and/or incredible statements in the child’s testimony, can bring in witnesses and experts to testify as to who has been counseling and interviewing the child in the period leading up to the videotaped testimony, can bring in witnesses to testify as to the possible biases of the counselors, interviewers, and parents (or whoever else the child has been living with), and should have the opportunity to have follow-up questions posed to the child in further videotaped testimony.

No justice system can ever be perfect, but I don’t accept that as a reason that we can’t have mandatory sentences or death sentences. The risks of allowing vicious criminals to go free, due to the system being excessively biased towards the accused, don’t strike me as better than the risk of severe penalties occasionally being meted out to innocent people. The victims of child rapists (and many other types of victims) are innocent too, and we have an awful lot of innocent people getting murdered, maimed, brutally raped, etc., by criminals who are out on the street only because the system made it impossible to convict them of one or more of their previous crimes. The best we can do is try to minimize harm to innocent people, and only counting harm done by the justice system doesn’t accomplish that goal.


47 posted on 06/25/2008 2:21:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: doug from upland

A devastating loss to the Fagan family
By Gerry Tuoti
Tue Feb 05, 2008, 05:06 PM EST

TAUNTON -
Every Sunday morning, the six Fagan brothers have gathered at the family home to share breakfast.
“But this Sunday there were only five, and from now on there will be only five,” an emotional state Rep. James Fagan said.
His fourth son, Kevin Fagan, 25, tragically died in a freak accident early Sunday morning. After a night out with his friends in East Providence, he slipped and fell from the Washington Street bridge, where there has been ongoing construction work.
“He came to a place where the pavement had been pulled up and there were just construction beams, and he slipped,” his father said. “He was just such a wonderful son, and this is just an absolutely devastating loss to our family.”
East Providence police are investigating the accident, and have provided no details. A call from the “Taunton Daily Gazette” was not immediately returned Monday.


48 posted on 06/25/2008 2:50:34 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland

what’s the point here?

clearly this man does not care about children, should I think he cares about his own?

Criminial attitude and his villagers need to show up at his door with staves, farm implements and torches.

GONE GONE GONE is ANY help to the innocent


49 posted on 06/26/2008 3:14:46 PM PDT by Free1
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