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Tired of waiting, man pulls tooth
The Australian ^ | June 25, 2008 | Danny Rose

Posted on 06/25/2008 12:57:34 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious

A NSW man has pulled out his own rotten tooth after waiting years for public dental treatment.

Jeff Miners said he extracted his own molar tooth about four weeks ago, after he had languished on a series of public dental waiting lists since 2001.

Despite having a mouthful of rotten teeth, the 58-year-old from Bega in southern NSW has gone without treatment except for a single filling in 2005.

"Through inaction, I had to start taking action myself,'' Mr Miners said.

"I kept working on it to loosen it, the cavity was so big I could fit my forefinger into it, and I just pulled it out.''

"I think this is scandalous. Jeff is one of 160,000 people waiting for public dental care in this state and (Health Minister) Reba Meagher does absolutely nothing,'' Ms Skinner told reporters today.

The NSW government's $120 million budget allocation to public dental services was the "lowest per capita of any state in Australia'', she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: freepun; healthcare; socializedmedicine; universalcare

1 posted on 06/25/2008 1:00:23 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...
Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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2 posted on 06/25/2008 1:00:54 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Hundreds of billions of dollars in government health care and this is the result.


3 posted on 06/25/2008 1:01:57 PM PDT by detective
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To: socialismisinsidious
I think the models probaly weight the importance of treatment with an age factor. And who knows what else.

Think, Sub-prime Hospital.

4 posted on 06/25/2008 1:03:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: detective

I can’t wait for the Democrat dream (nightmare) scenario of a health care system run like the present-day DMV.

Perhaps they should put a fully-stocked toolbox in the lobby so we can get on with things.


5 posted on 06/25/2008 1:04:01 PM PDT by relictele (Web addicts anonymous meets here 24/7)
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To: socialismisinsidious
Ahh, the joy of government sponsored (rationed) healthcare.
6 posted on 06/25/2008 1:04:21 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: socialismisinsidious
Better to take a hammer to your teeth than spend a single penny of your own money on dental care.
7 posted on 06/25/2008 1:04:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: socialismisinsidious
Tom Hanks did that in Castaway

...............

8 posted on 06/25/2008 1:04:51 PM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: socialismisinsidious

$750 per person, With govt inefficiencies thrown in each person has an annual budget of $5. Just enough to buy your own pliers for tooth extraction.


9 posted on 06/25/2008 1:05:33 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: socialismisinsidious

Different system down under obviously-

healthcare is universal but nothing prevents one from buying his own private insurance in addition to the gov’t “care”.

if you buy your own policy, you still have full rights to the unversal system = but you get to choose.

this chap obivously only had gov’t care. lesson learned.


10 posted on 06/25/2008 1:07:05 PM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Can they use their own money? I thought the dentists weren’t allowed to see any private patients.


11 posted on 06/25/2008 1:07:09 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: socialismisinsidious

Socialized Medicine: coming soon to a nation near you. :D


12 posted on 06/25/2008 1:08:49 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: driftdiver
Only chinese made ones, have to save a few years for a good Craftsman set at that rate.
13 posted on 06/25/2008 1:10:13 PM PDT by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair!)
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To: driftdiver

doctors can choose to see whomever they choose. Of course, the best [more expensive] doctors choose to accept private patients and the worst [least expensive] rely on gov’t referrals....

AFAIK it’s the same w/ dentists


14 posted on 06/25/2008 1:11:42 PM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: relictele

One thing about arrogantassed libs, though -

they’re always smarter than anyone who ever lived, wiser than God Himself (they reject Biblical truths),

and obviously they’d run the system here better than anywhere it’s been tried.


15 posted on 06/25/2008 1:12:43 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Principled

I’m asking because in England the doctors have a quota and can’t accept patients beyond that. AFAIK


16 posted on 06/25/2008 1:13:32 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: socialismisinsidious

Actually, I’d agree to total government healthcare IF the congresscritters would have EXACTLY the same care as the rest of us. E.G, get rid of their fat cat plans and have to extract their teeth like this poor fellow did. AND, that means the bimbo-bit**es like Pelosi and Boxer who have never had real jobs (and never would, save their rich husbands), have to be forbidden from paying for their care privately. (Sarcasm off)


17 posted on 06/25/2008 1:15:22 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Tzimisce

This is a lesson we need to keep in mind. Healthcare will be rationed under socialized medicine. You won’t be able to have operations or certain treatments on your own schedule. Bureaucracy will decide whether and when you will have a needed operation.


18 posted on 06/25/2008 1:15:27 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Tzimisce

This is a lesson we need to keep in mind. Healthcare will be rationed under socialized medicine. You won’t be able to have operations or certain treatments on your own schedule. Bureaucracy will decide whether and when you will have a needed operation.


19 posted on 06/25/2008 1:15:36 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: MrB

The show-stopper for socialized medicine types is to ask them what will prevent government workers from moving themselves to the front of any and all queues - transplants, major surgery, drugs, etc.

Think about government employees getting out of tickets, fines, etc. and you get the idea.

Rationing (especially unnecessary rationing) will bring on corruption in very short order.


20 posted on 06/25/2008 1:18:59 PM PDT by relictele (Web addicts anonymous meets here 24/7)
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To: socialismisinsidious

If we were to institute socialized dentistry in this country, it would be akin to going to one of those “chain” dental clinics that are usually located in the inner cities and less affluent areas. Lots of welfare types in the waiting room, and a much lower quality of treatment.

No thanks Obama.


21 posted on 06/25/2008 1:26:00 PM PDT by Bobkk47
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To: driftdiver
Can they use their own money? I thought the dentists weren’t allowed to see any private patients.

They're probably not supposed to buy pot either, but I bet you can get it.

22 posted on 06/25/2008 1:27:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: relictele

I actually got a lib relative to admit that the gov’t wouldn’t be the best entity to run the health care system - perhaps letting her borrow my “Basic Economics” book made a dent.

However, my argument against socialized medicine goes like this.

Even with today’s system, imagine an epidemic, where many, many people are using the system, and even some of the doctors have succumbed, reducing the number of doctors available.
What are they going to have to do to treat all of the people demanding medical attention? What happens to the old, the obese, the smokers, the pre-mature babies, etc? They don’t get care. Period.

Now, imagine a system where healthcare is free, and the demand is unlimited by cost. Doctors have limits on what they can charge, limits imposed by government, so many choose to go into other fields, like... being lawyers. You now have the same situation - unlimited demand, and an even lower supply of providers.

Healthcare will be rationed, and people will not get the care they need. Just like the epidemic scenario.


23 posted on 06/25/2008 1:31:36 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: socialismisinsidious

I had a deadly fear of dentists up til about 7 years ago. So bad that I pulled two of my own back teeth using vice grips (2 seperate occaisions) after spending several sleepless nights suffering from toothaches. Fillings that I’d received as a child came out cavities developed....


24 posted on 06/25/2008 1:44:51 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: socialismisinsidious
I had a badly damaged tooth pulled. A root canal couldn't save it. If it really, really hurts - there's the extraction!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 06/25/2008 1:57:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Red Badger; socialismisinsidious

26 posted on 06/25/2008 2:04:55 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (We dont have 2 go 2 a madhouse 2 find disordered minds; earth is the mental institution of theworld)
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To: socialismisinsidious

I just shoot ‘em out when they hurt.


27 posted on 06/25/2008 2:07:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lucky9teen

I am thinking of the dental scene in the movie: Marathon Man, ouch - I dread going to the dentist!!!!!!!/Just Asking - seoul62......


28 posted on 06/25/2008 2:07:41 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: driftdiver

Remember when everyone thought HMO’s were so grand when first introduced?


29 posted on 06/25/2008 2:07:46 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: seoul62
Is it safe?


30 posted on 06/25/2008 2:16:51 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: NCC-1701

I am numb./Just Asking - seoul62.......


31 posted on 06/25/2008 2:21:43 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: socialismisinsidious

Ahh, the joys of socialized medicine/dentistry...


32 posted on 06/25/2008 2:21:54 PM PDT by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: socialismisinsidious

This idiot could have gotten high quality private dental care in heartbeat at a reasonable price.

The problem is, he wants it “free.”


33 posted on 06/25/2008 2:31:15 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

I sit in that waiting room
It seemed like all afternoon
The nurse finally said doc’s ready for you
you’re not gonna feel a thing we’ll give you some novicane
That tooth will be fine in a minute or two
But he stuck that needle down deep in my gum
And he started drillin’ before I was numb

Some beach
Somewhere
There’s a beautiful sunset burning up the atsmosphere
There’s music and dancing and lovers romancing
In the soft evening air
On some beach
Somewhere
On some beach, somewhere


34 posted on 06/25/2008 2:31:42 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Hope and Change!


35 posted on 06/25/2008 3:04:24 PM PDT by byteback
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To: driftdiver

Yikes that sounds awful...


36 posted on 06/25/2008 3:25:31 PM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: socialismisinsidious

37 posted on 06/25/2008 5:45:38 PM PDT by 4Liberty ("Racist!" vs. "Sexist!" at Dem Con 08 Denver)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And, people become addicted to pain killers while waiting. If you don’t make the choices (read bear the costs & make the decisions privately, expecting “govt. the daddy” to pay for “free services”), the GOVT will make the choices, meaning — ration out the scarce resources.

No thanks, I will keep freedom of choice.

Let’s look at China, — all goods and services “free” but the govt. faces scarcity, too. End result, “1-child” per family, coerced state policy. Your kid dies in a major earthquake? Oops, “...Have a nice day!” says the govt.

“No” to govt control of choices, markets, individual decisions & freedom


38 posted on 06/25/2008 5:53:18 PM PDT by 4Liberty ("Racist!" vs. "Sexist!" at Dem Con 08 Denver)
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