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Senators Question Border Laptop Searches
PC World Business Center ^ | 6-25-08 | Grant Gross

Posted on 06/25/2008 8:50:13 PM PDT by Babu

Two U.S. senators called on U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to back off its assertion that it can search laptops and other electronic devices owned by U.S. citizens returning to the country without the need for reasonable suspicion of a crime or probable cause.

Senators Russell Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat, and Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, both urged CBP to reconsider its policy that apparently has lead to frequent searches of laptops, digital cameras and handheld devices at borders.

"If you asked [U.S. residents] whether the government has a right to open their laptops, read their documents and e-mails, look at their photographs, and examine the Web sites they have visited, all without any suspicion of wrongdoing, I think those same Americans would say that the government has absolutely no right to do that," said Feingold, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Property Rights. "And if you asked him whether that actually happens, they would say, 'not in the United States of America.'"

In a February survey of its membership, the Association of Corporate Travel Executives found that 7 percent said they've had electronic devices seized at the U.S. border, said Susan Gurley, executive director of the trade group. It can take weeks to have those devices returned, and the seizures can disrupt the owners' work and require companies to buy costly replacements, she said.

Half of the survey respondents said a seizure of an electronic device could damage their standing within their companies, Gurley said. "These devices constitute the offices of today," Gurley said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; bordersecurity; cbp; congress; feingold; leahy; privacy; ussenate
I find myself agreeing with two Demonkat Congress Critters -- truly bizarre.
1 posted on 06/25/2008 8:50:14 PM PDT by Babu
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To: Babu

So do I... and FEINGOLD, of all people??? Who’da thunk it???


2 posted on 06/25/2008 8:55:16 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Babu

I’ve read they catch a lot of child porn pervs by doing this. Evidentially, they travel overseas to exploit children.


3 posted on 06/25/2008 8:56:41 PM PDT by Selmore (Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.)
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To: Babu

I’m with ‘em too.


4 posted on 06/25/2008 9:02:23 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: dcwusmc

Feingold’s one of the most principled people in DC of either party, so it’s no surprise reasonable people occasionally agree with him.


5 posted on 06/25/2008 9:03:19 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Babu

How many posts until someone slams the Dem. Senators for questioning the laptop searches?


6 posted on 06/25/2008 9:03:56 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Babu

This is wrong but it only affects morons.
The smart man knows where and in what form to keep his important data.


7 posted on 06/25/2008 9:09:21 PM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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To: Arguendo

Feingold is one of the stupidest men in Congress. He outranks Harry Reid, Dickless Durbin, Smucky Schumer, Ted The Orca, John the Frenchman Kerry, Leaky Leahy,and a whole lot of others.

If he actually protests about something because it is wrong, it is because he is like a broken clock, which is right twice a day no matter what.

He’s not smart enough to actually think something thru, and that is the danger he poses. He is clueless. He is more dangerous to American security than is Bin Laden.

We will eventually capture or kill BL, ending his threat, but Feingold, like an old whore, just keeps on truckin’.


8 posted on 06/25/2008 9:22:41 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Feingold is one of the stupidest men in Congress. He outranks Harry Reid, Dickless Durbin, Smucky Schumer, Ted The Orca, John the Frenchman Kerry, Leaky Leahy,and a whole lot of others.

Senator Feingold is not stupid. He is a Rhodes Scholar and he graduated from Harvard Law School with honors. He's probably smarter than 90 percent of the people in DC.

Yes, he's probably the most liberal person in the Senate, and yes, he has an extremely naive worldview. These lead him to take the wrong position (in my opinion) on most issues. But he is clearly not stupid, and comments like yours only discredit you.

9 posted on 06/25/2008 9:44:07 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: trumandogz

What’s the difference between full car searches, searches of packages and searches of laptops?


10 posted on 06/25/2008 10:33:48 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: VanShuyten

4th Amendment.


11 posted on 06/26/2008 1:06:41 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Babu
I find myself agreeing with two Demonkat Congress Critters -- truly bizarre.

Hell froze over, as I'm in agreement as well.

I've been through a couple of these searches in the past five years and they are ridiculous. First off, they are pretty damn incompetent if it's not Windows.

Second, it consists of them trying to find your pictures and look at them and going through your browser history. I got a little extra scrutiny because I made the mistake of having some pictures on my desktop of my wife and and I doing some skeet shooting and apparently pictures of firearms are a threat or something.

Then I had to explain a few sites like Free Republic and the like. It was so damn ridiculous and disgusting - makes me so damn angry at what this country has come to, but you can't do anything, because they have so much power at the border. Trying to blow off Free Republic as a "political forums site" leads to "what kind of politics are discussed there?" as if it were some kind of site to overthrow the government or something. I felt like saying "you didn't find the kiddie porn or terrorist stuff you were looking for, let us catch our flight".
12 posted on 06/26/2008 4:36:38 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Bobalu
The smart man knows where and in what form to keep his important data.

Exactly - except for the sporadic moron, anybody with a little bit of intelligence could easily keep their data online and nowhere near their laptop when traveling. All this does is give the TSA's rent-a-cops some kind of perverse pleasure in finding any and all vacation pictures they can, so they can poke through them and ask you who the people are in the photo, as if it's any of their damn business.
13 posted on 06/26/2008 4:38:50 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: dcwusmc
and FEINGOLD, of all people

Feingold is pretty good on civil liberties.

14 posted on 06/26/2008 4:44:50 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: VanShuyten
full car searches, searches of packages and searches of laptops

Arguably, laptops might contain more personal information than would a search of your car. If the police search my car at the border, they'd find a tennis racquet and a set of golf clubs and a blanket and a few other odds and ends.

On the other hand, a laptop might well contain a lot of very personal information, including emails or letters to/from lovers, financial information, diaries, etc. It makes sense to set a higher bar for these types of searches that are more likely to uncover items that are extremely personal.

15 posted on 06/26/2008 4:48:12 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Babu

“...both urged CBP to reconsider its policy that apparently has lead to frequent searches of laptops, digital cameras and handheld devices at borders.”

Here’s the problem. The fascist federal bureaucracy is illegally writing laws, and the senate is begging these fascist pigs to change the law. So what’s wrong with this picture?

We are guaranteed, by our constitution, the right to choose our representatives - those who write laws - via the ballot box. When those we elect write laws we don’t like, we have the option of removing them via the ballot box. We don’t have that option with unelected bureaucrats, thus, our representative republic has been short-circuited, and we have been robbed of our most important right - elected representation through the ballot box.

Unelected bureaucrats writing law is one of the primary features of a dictatorship. And there are only two methods of removing dictators.

We are far down the road toward a dictatorship and a much needed confrontation with the criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington.


16 posted on 06/26/2008 5:15:54 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: trumandogz

4th Amendment doesn’t apply at the border.


17 posted on 06/26/2008 7:34:59 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: Publius Valerius

All packages and letters entering the US are subject to search. Even your body cavities are subject to search. There’s no reason to believe that anything that enters the US from outside the country, from email to computer files to phone calls, is not subject to search just because it’s electronic data and it might contain personal information. If you bring anything into the country, you should go through Customs with the idea that it will be inspected.


18 posted on 06/26/2008 8:36:43 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: VanShuyten
You asked why it was different than a car, and I'm telling you why it is different than a car.

Even your body cavities are subject to search.

This is an undecided question, but the Supreme Court has hinted that such searches are improper without heightened suspicion.

19 posted on 06/27/2008 4:36:47 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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