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Childless couples denied as anonymity loss scares egg and sperm donors
TimesOnline ^ | June 26 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 06/26/2008 7:04:12 AM PDT by Bushwacker777

"The removal of anonymity from sperm and egg donors has provoked a crisis in fertility treatment that is denying couples the chance to try for a baby.

Infertility therapy with donated sperm has collapsed to the lowest levels since records began, according to the first official figures, seen by The Times, since the Government banned anonymous donation in 2005.

The number of women treated with donated sperm fell by about 20 per cent, from 2,727 in 2005 to 2,107 in 2006, the first full year after the change. The number of donor insemination treatment cycles fell by 30 per cent over the same period.

Egg donation is also in serious decline: the number of treatments using “shared” eggs, offered by women in return for a discount on IVF, fell by 40 per cent between 2004 and 2006. "

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: children; family; privacy; spermdonor
You know, this is a good case of well-meaning politicians making laws that hurt more than help. Now couples may not be able to have kids and to top this off the British recently said that single women and lesbians can now qualify for IVF treatment -- talk about increasing demand while the supply is already contracted due to government interference. It is good to see there are still Brits out there wanting to have kids (non-Muslim ones that is). Alaso a lot of couples are forced to go to Denmark or Spain for insemination since these countries (like the USA) is more libertarian on the issue. Most goint to Spain want Russian donors though (lots of them in the bigger cities). One good thing is that this might improve the looks in Britain. One thing I have thought though is maybe more conservatives should donate -- there is some evidence that certain inherited personality traits can lead one to be more liberal or more conservative.
1 posted on 06/26/2008 7:04:12 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

What man is going to donate sperm if it might lead to a paternity suit and child support years down the line?


2 posted on 06/26/2008 7:05:57 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Bushwacker777

Good, when you can’t have kids naturally, God is telling you something.


3 posted on 06/26/2008 7:08:02 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: sinanju

I think it is good. Men need to stop and think...hey I’m making a baby.


4 posted on 06/26/2008 7:08:54 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Bushwacker777

If everything else in Nature is sacrosanct, why are we meddling in Nature’s plan that says “your genes cannot go forward into the pool?”


5 posted on 06/26/2008 7:09:16 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (If it is going to take 10 years, shouldn't we get started? Drill here, drill now, pay less.)
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To: Philly Nomad
Good, when you can’t have kids naturally, God is telling you something.

Not quite inclusive enough, it should read:

Good, when you can’t have INSULIN naturally, God is telling you something.

6 posted on 06/26/2008 7:13:14 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: sinanju

“What man is going to donate sperm if it might lead to a paternity suit and child support years down the line?”

Laws in Europe and in the USA shield donors from any parental obligations whether the donation is annonomous or not. The only cases where suits have hit donors is when a woman has a friend donate to her and no legal contract exists to make sure he is not obligated as a parent.


7 posted on 06/26/2008 7:14:39 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: NonValueAdded

No, you really aren’t cheating nature. If a man is sterile, and his wife isn’t, then it’s your genes and her’s going into the gene pool — his will go extinct. In that respect it could be rather eugenic.


8 posted on 06/26/2008 7:17:47 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

“The removal of anonymity from sperm and egg donors has provoked a crisis in fertility treatment that is denying couples the chance to try for a baby.”

::sniffsniff:: B...b...but that is soooo unfayerrrrr!!

AWwWWwww...How can they have a BAAAAA...by?

Lord, I am so sick of whining.....


9 posted on 06/26/2008 7:36:04 AM PDT by Adder (typical bitter white person)
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To: Bushwacker777

Making babies with “donated” sperm or eggs is against nature. People who can’t have a child the normal way, should not have one, except through adoption.


10 posted on 06/26/2008 7:43:30 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: Philly Nomad

“Good, when you can’t have kids naturally, God is telling you something.”

So what is God telling you when your thyroid goes haywire, your heart beats irregularly, your kidneys falter? I guess we should just let people like that die or suffer?


11 posted on 06/26/2008 7:44:33 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Bushwacker777

How are the Dems going to have babies if the have to depend on the balls of Conservatives?


12 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:20 AM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: BooksForTheRight.com

“People who can’t have a child the normal way, should not have one...”

People whose kidneys can’t clean out impurities the “normal” way, shouldn’t have dialysis. People whose hearts don’t beat the normal way, shouldn’t have pacemakers put in.

I could go on and on.


13 posted on 06/26/2008 7:48:04 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Bushwacker777

They destroyed adoption, now this.

Typical liberals.


14 posted on 06/26/2008 7:50:20 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Philly Nomad
Good, when you can’t have kids naturally, God is telling you something.

So, you thought all those pills, antibiotics and vaccines grew on trees and herbs? I wonder if you practise what you preach...

15 posted on 06/26/2008 8:00:38 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Bushwacker777
Britain is rather ahead of the U.S. on all this technologically enhanced reproduction...for instance, you notice that they limit the number of times a man can donate sperm, to limit the possible number of offspring out there who might inadvertantly meet and marry....

I'm not sure that an offspring necessarily needs to meet the donor, but in this age of genetic screening, and when we are finding out more and more diseases have a genetic propensity, I think it might be a good thing for people to have access to at least their genetic history.

16 posted on 06/26/2008 8:01:52 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Balding_Eagle; gracesdad

Two Answers. (one troll, one not troll I’ll let you figure it out).

1) Insulin doesn’t require the slaughtering of innocent human babies. IVF is one step above stem-cell research.

2) God is perfect, everything God does is perfect, God created every human being, for us to admit some human beings aren’t perfect means that God screwed up. I’m not going to tell God He screwed up - are you?


17 posted on 06/26/2008 8:06:15 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: gracesdad

People whose bodies don’t produce insulin should not get insulin? People whose bodies cannot fight off infection should not get antibiotics? People whose bone marrow cannot produce cells should not get marrow transpants?

This poster must have a perfect body and only be willing to live on a planet with others the same.


18 posted on 06/26/2008 8:07:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Bushwacker777

It doesn’t help any either that the courts have ruled that the sperm donor can be sued for child support.


19 posted on 06/26/2008 8:09:52 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Balding_Eagle

As a parent of two type 1’s I’m loving your sarcasm.


20 posted on 06/26/2008 8:10:37 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Philly Nomad
Good, when you can’t have kids naturally, God is telling you something.

Sure, and usually what He's saying is seek medical intervention or adopt.

21 posted on 06/26/2008 8:11:13 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Philly Nomad
I’m not going to tell God He screwed up - are you?

Taking your first statement at face value, if you take antibiotics you may, in fact, be saying just that.

22 posted on 06/26/2008 8:11:33 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: Bushwacker777

I am wondering if loss of anonymity is not just part of the issue- the other concern being the use of your genetic material by any freak who wants to create a baby?


23 posted on 06/26/2008 8:12:12 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Bushwacker777

Conservatives like to RAISE their offspring.


24 posted on 06/26/2008 8:15:29 AM PDT by bannie
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To: Bushwacker777

later


25 posted on 06/26/2008 8:33:43 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Bushwacker777
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner of the silly thread of the day
26 posted on 06/26/2008 8:34:36 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: gracesdad

I think what God is saying is adopt or find something else to do with your life. Or maybe he is saying “You should have listened to medical advice and not waited so long”.

The whole sperm bank/IVF thing is rather creepy in a society obsessed with free sex and no responsibilities.


27 posted on 06/26/2008 9:36:32 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: Kozak

“It doesn’t help any either that the courts have ruled that the sperm donor can be sued for child support.”

Not if it is done through a clinic! Laws in the USA and Europe protect the donor — also protect the child since, if the kid becomes a rich singer at 16 a donor can’t come along and claim anything from him or her.

Only at home “turkey baster babies” situations have resulted in lawsuits against sperm donors. Doesn’t happen if through a clinic — just repeating that.


28 posted on 06/26/2008 9:39:39 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: MilspecRob

“Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner of the silly thread of the day”

Please stay FAR away from any donation centers.

But seriously, technology is going to make this a big issue in the future. Also, it’s far from being “silly” if you are an infertile couple that requires an egg or sperm to form a real family.


29 posted on 06/26/2008 9:41:45 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Balding_Eagle

It might also be noted that some parents are afraid of passing a genetic defect they have onto their offspring. In such cases (rather than remain childless) donors of egg and sperm are screened to make sure they aren’t carrying any major genetic problems.

Ironically, this might mean that lesbian mothers may be having some of the healthiest and smartest kids nowadays. Wow, talk about irony.


30 posted on 06/26/2008 9:46:28 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

Then I wonder what sort of legal arrangement Mellissa Etheridge and Julie Cypher made with David Crosby when they borrowed his spooge for their (presumably musically-talented) child.


31 posted on 06/26/2008 9:52:56 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Philly Nomad
Would this be the same God that gave Sarah and Mary children unnaturally.
32 posted on 06/26/2008 10:21:26 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc

Oh, God gave them children naturally, if you know what I mean...


33 posted on 06/26/2008 10:58:38 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

No I don’t know what you mean.

Mary had never been with a man. Sarah was 90 and no longer making eggs.

Have you considered that you may have stepped over the line today?


34 posted on 06/26/2008 11:20:04 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Bushwacker777
Bushwacker I completely agree that this is a big issue now. My heart is with the infertile couple's struggling to have a chance for a complete family. My flip reply was directed to some of the silly replies in this thread like God is telling you something.
35 posted on 06/26/2008 11:22:37 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: dangerdoc

When did FR become the sanctuary for the politically correct?


36 posted on 06/26/2008 11:48:44 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

“When did FR become the sanctuary for the politically correct?”

So nobody can call you on something blatently silly?

Let’s expand your thoughts.

No adoption, that would be borrowing somebodies sperm, egg and womb. Obviously much worse than a sperm bank.

No treatment for disease, admitting imperfection would somehow reflect on God? All heretics caught with a prescription will be burned.

There is a difference between “Political Correctness” and common courtesy.

If your sister married a man who had cancer as a child would you tell her God thought she should never have children. Would you say that they must be bad people because God was punishing them? Would you tell them that because he had cancer, he wasn’t good enough to bring up a child?


37 posted on 06/26/2008 12:21:23 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc

Cancer doesn’t make one sterile.

And adoption is OK because Joseph was a step-dad.


38 posted on 06/26/2008 12:28:30 PM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad
Good, when you can’t have kids naturally, God is telling you something.

LOL - so if your appendix is about to burst you think God is telling you something?

39 posted on 06/26/2008 12:32:20 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Philly Nomad

Cancer makes you effectively sterile if not treated, read dead. Cancer treatment can most certainly make you sterile either directly such as with orchiectomy after testicular cancer or indirectly from radiation or chemo, especially the blood cancers, lymphoma and leukemia.

You can be a step-dad without adopting.

I’ve looked up some of your previous posts. You are smarter than the average poster. I would love debating you but admit it, you were trying to be funny, then in a rather lame fashion tried to justify it.


40 posted on 06/26/2008 12:45:32 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc

You can’t legally be a step dad without adopting the thing.

and here’s a hint — (one troll, one not troll I’ll let you figure it out).


41 posted on 06/26/2008 12:51:55 PM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: ladyjane

so if your appendix is about to burst you think God is telling you something?

He sure is:”Thou shouldst get thine a$$ to a hospital!”
[At least that would be the message I would come away with....]


42 posted on 06/26/2008 12:53:49 PM PDT by Adder (typical bitter white person)
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To: Philly Nomad

You are a step dad unless you adopt the thing, then you are the adoptive father. You seem to be off your game today.

I thint the hint should read, (two trolls, one not), your first post would fall under the troll banner IMO.


43 posted on 06/26/2008 1:38:17 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Ford4000

“The whole sperm bank/IVF thing is rather creepy in a society obsessed with free sex and no responsibilities.”

I don’t see what IVF has to do with free sex or no responsibilities. Having a child is a huge responsibility.


44 posted on 06/27/2008 5:11:35 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: NonValueAdded

Um, the genes from the person you describe DON’T go to the child so produced. That’s the whole point. They get to borrow someone else’s genes and raise the kid.


45 posted on 07/04/2008 1:25:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: Adder

Wait, wait......It’s...for the Chilrun! Finally an appropriate time to use that liberal slogan.


46 posted on 07/04/2008 1:26:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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