Skip to comments.Forget the Birth Certificate. There Are More Relevant Records. (Obama)
Posted on 06/26/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by Shermy
More than a few readers have asked me what I think of this article from a publication called the Israel Insider, particularly a section which suggests a Hawaiian state official has doubts about the birth certificate posted on Daily Kos and Obamas StopTheSmears site:
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obamas certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has "all the components of a birth certificate" record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.
The embossed seal in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.
I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene. I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.
There are, however, other documents in the past of the Democratic nominee that would be worth a close examination. For example, they may not even exist anymore a convenient destruction but Obamas office records from his service in the state legislature, particularly the correspondence, would be an interesting resource in learning more about his efforts in state government.
The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. Similarly, in 2007, Obama said to Tim Russert that his records were not kept.
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The embossed seal in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal. “
“And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.””
The writer fails to pick up on the registrar signature issue. In both documents the ink from the date on the back of the documents is plainly visible. So is the signature block on the Decosta document. However, the ink from a signature block on the Obama document is not visible. Therefore, most likely not present. If it is present, the Obama camp should be pressured to show it.
Geraghty misses the point altogether.
P.S. I stand by my assertion that being born in Kenya is a red herring. Obama wants to hide the fact that his birth certificate name was Barry Harry Obama. ;)
How does one emboss only one side of a piece of paper?
The paper wasn’t photoshopped.
It shows, in ink, the date stampping from the reverse side.
No forger would forge the ink dating but forget the more important ink signature block.
The document really comes from the Department of Health.
The path of its creation is the issue.
Which can be simply resolved by Obama’s people letting others take a hands-on look at it.
AN easy fix. smear something like pencil lead to bring out the embossed seal, And then re-image and repost the BC document online. Are the Kos kids and Obama supporters incompetent or are they just deceptive?
Why is the certificate # blacked out?
African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?
Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?
Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?
Did Dan Blather's liar, Mary Mapes create this bs?
Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?
We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of his birth certificate as seeing John Kerrys full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth.
The point is that Obama was born in Hawaii and postulating otherwise is a waste of time.
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“In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.”
How does one come to that certain conclusion given the spokeswoman’s actual reported words?
Some knowledgeable people here have said the embossing indentation might not show up due to the way the document was scanned. I’ve seen no explanation why the ink would show up on one document but not the other. Did the 2007 signature block use a lighter ink than years prior? Don’t know until Obama lets someone examine it.
You gotta love the hypocricy. Obama:
1) had sealed divorce records of his Democrat primary opponent Blair Hull exposed, revealing accusations of wife-beating and forcing Hull out of the primary, and
2) had sealed divorce records of his Republican opponent Jack Ryan exposed, revealing accusations of wanting to perform public sex acts and forcing Ryan out of the general election.
It seems that Obama can't win without destroying his opponent by exposing sealed private records. So now, people want Obama's records exposed, and there aren't any, anwhere?
No, he posted a forgery on his official site. THAT is the point.
You would see the embossing from the back...that lady is BSing... in a previous life her name was Rose Mary Woods!
WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TWO???
I think one means it is officially “accepted/approved” and the other one just says “someone has filed a BC app with the state”.
It most certainly was photoshopped. Otherwise they Obama webiste version would match the KOS website version.
She doesn't know?
How can that be? The standard and good practice is that official vital records are released and the release is logged -- the certificate, after all, has some serial number! That is part of her official duty, imo. Has she not performed her duty?
Is she running a Keystone Cops outfit, or maybe she models her office to a Chicago model?
I'm not sure I believe that, now that I think about it. How does the way it's scanned have anything to do with the way a raised seal reflects light and casts shadows? There is absolutely no evidence of a disruption in the paper, a displacement of the pattern, or anything to suggest anything other than a totally flat sheet of paper.
On the DeCosta certification, not only is the bleed-through of the signature visible, but I thought the impression of the signature on the paper is also visible. You'd think that would be visible on the Obama certificate also.
Ans also Ms. Okubo, where is the official signature from your office on Obama's Birth Certificate sport? You guys hand-out genuine BC documents without signing them? I believe you told Israeli Insider that your office signs each official BC document.
you can see the embossing from the back...just not on o’bama’s http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/documents/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg