"Why come to quell the tempest in a teapot then?" You're right, I should keep my nose out of other people's hysteria. Thanks for reminding me, and the bold italics are what 'others' are typing, not me.
Posted on 06/26/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by Shermy
More than a few readers have asked me what I think of this article from a publication called the Israel Insider, particularly a section which suggests a Hawaiian state official has doubts about the birth certificate posted on Daily Kos and Obama’s StopTheSmears site:
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has "all the components of a birth certificate" record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.
The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.
I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.
There are, however, other documents in the past of the Democratic nominee that would be worth a close examination. For example, they may not even exist anymore – a convenient destruction – but Obama’s office records from his service in the state legislature, particularly the correspondence, would be an interesting resource in learning more about his efforts in state government.
The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. Similarly, in 2007, Obama said to Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”
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Those reasons have already been summarized in #37 by Pissant.
Pissant, thanks for summarizing the case for the doubts.
I’ll let that be the last word on it.
I’m not interested in debating it further, since I believe its a dead-end rabbit trail anyway.
Why IS the certificat number blacked out?? Anyone ask that yet?
Here is an animation I created of the two certificates overlaid and faded:
http://www.members.cox.net/gmay2/birth_cert_fade2.gif
WARNING: It’s a 3.2 meg file but I wanted to keep it large enough to examine details. Let it load fully and it will cycle between the two images.
I simply overlaid the two images and scaled one to fit the outside border of the other as closely as possible, then faded one into another.
Let's ring Dan Rather and ask him for his advice. You call him, will you? My cellphone's battery is dead or something.
The proof is here. Read em.
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
"Why come to quell the tempest in a teapot then?" You're right, I should keep my nose out of other people's hysteria. Thanks for reminding me, and the bold italics are what 'others' are typing, not me.
We all sort it through as best we can.
He has and it does not stand up to scrutiny.
The Obama campaign has been extraordinarily intelligent to get him to where he is today. To think that they would present a document to the public with this many points of interest on it is ridiculous.
Extraordinarily deceptive.
asking 'why doesn't he do so and so' isn't proof of squat. "Where's the bleed through from the back?" Isn't proof of anything either.
The Obama clowns can rescan the back side of the Birth Certificate and place the image online. Makes people wonder why they have not.
Show me in her job description where it says she is to respond to bloggers and phone calls about a subject she is sworn NOT to discuss with anyone without a need to know.
Nonsense. She's a public official. She could do a public courtesy and look up Obama on her little computer to see if Obama was born in the Hawaii. It's not a national secret.
The guy IS running for president.
I have asked all of your questions.
> She could do a public courtesy and look up Obama
> on her little computer to see if Obama was born
> in the Hawaii. It’s not a national secret.
And so, presumably, could lots of other people, not all of whom are sympathetic to BOH. So, just like with the moon landing conspiracies, one is forced to wonder as to why no-one has leaked the incriminating information? I’d love to believe that BOH is hiding something here, but so far, I just can’t convince myself that it’s anything as significant as him being born overseas. Given his ego, it could be something that he considers a big deal that others consider minor, but that’s about it. In that case, all we can hope is to catching him in a cover-up-is-more-important-than-the-crime situation.
Stupid question, but I came to the party late. Isn’t it possible to get some FReepers and/or conservatives that were born in Hawaii around the same time to scan in their BCs to see if they are similar? They could redact sensitive info so as not to compromise their identity/security. This may be Dan Rather all over again-only more important. Surely, there were a ton of Navy kids born in Hawaii around then.
We’ve done that.
In that case, all we can hope is to catching him in a cover-up-is-more-important-than-the-crime situation.
That maybe the case here. Do we want a guy who is a dishonest president over something so trivial? Oh never mind ...Clinton.
It gets me that you cannot question Obama on the most basic requirement to be president that’s enumerated in the U.S. Constitution, especially when he has published online
what appears to be a fraudulent birth certificate.
“isn’t in fact ‘cast off’ from another document.”
That’s an interesting idea.
Sorry-should have known better. Good luck with this.
Red Steel to TeleStraightShooter
Also from the follow up article:
“Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: “At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.” And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.””
And I don’t see that on Obama’s certificate.
Crossed out certificate number and no seal....
If I handed that in to my employer...they would hand it back to me saying it was invalid.
Obama is applying for public office and he is exempt from showing proper BC. If he become President the taxpayers will be paying his salary and retirement.
As a taxpayer don’t I have a right to know?
Hire a private investigator who can get into BO’s files.
What’s the shame of unsealing public records....he has no problems opening up Hull’s and Ryan’s divorce records.
No need to apologize. We have been digging into this for a couple weeks.
I’ll be willing to bet that all the MSM types that have read the analyzes of this being a fraud (and yes, they keep an eye on the blogosphere) could care less if it is real or not.
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