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Forget the Birth Certificate. There Are More Relevant Records. (Obama)
National Review ^ | June 26, 2008 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 06/26/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by Shermy

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1 posted on 06/26/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Grampa Dave; okie01

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal. “

OK..but,

“And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.””

The writer fails to pick up on the registrar signature issue. In both documents the ink from the date on the back of the documents is plainly visible. So is the signature block on the Decosta document. However, the ink from a signature block on the Obama document is not visible. Therefore, most likely not present. If it is present, the Obama camp should be pressured to show it.


2 posted on 06/26/2008 12:26:11 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: Shermy

Geraghty misses the point altogether.


3 posted on 06/26/2008 12:27:19 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Grampa Dave; okie01

P.S. I stand by my assertion that being born in Kenya is a red herring. Obama wants to hide the fact that his birth certificate name was Barry Harry Obama. ;)


4 posted on 06/26/2008 12:28:08 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: Shermy
The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

How does one emboss only one side of a piece of paper?

-PJ

5 posted on 06/26/2008 12:29:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: pissant

The paper wasn’t photoshopped.

It shows, in ink, the date stampping from the reverse side.

No forger would forge the ink dating but forget the more important ink signature block.

The document really comes from the Department of Health.

The path of its creation is the issue.

Which can be simply resolved by Obama’s people letting others take a hands-on look at it.


6 posted on 06/26/2008 12:31:33 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

AN easy fix. smear something like pencil lead to bring out the embossed seal, And then re-image and repost the BC document online. Are the Kos kids and Obama supporters incompetent or are they just deceptive?

7 posted on 06/26/2008 12:32:30 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Why is the certificate # blacked out?

African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?

Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?

Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?

Did Dan Blather's liar, Mary Mapes create this bs?

Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?

We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of his birth certificate as seeing John Kerry’s full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth.

8 posted on 06/26/2008 12:35:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Kerry was a Uber Liberal, Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas makes Kerry look like Jesse Helms!)
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To: pissant

The point is that Obama was born in Hawaii and postulating otherwise is a waste of time.

http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate


9 posted on 06/26/2008 12:36:21 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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“In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.”

How does one come to that certain conclusion given the spokeswoman’s actual reported words?

Some knowledgeable people here have said the embossing indentation might not show up due to the way the document was scanned. I’ve seen no explanation why the ink would show up on one document but not the other. Did the 2007 signature block use a lighter ink than years prior? Don’t know until Obama lets someone examine it.


10 posted on 06/26/2008 12:37:27 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: Shermy
The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. Similarly, in 2007, Obama said to Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”

You gotta love the hypocricy. Obama:

1) had sealed divorce records of his Democrat primary opponent Blair Hull exposed, revealing accusations of wife-beating and forcing Hull out of the primary, and

2) had sealed divorce records of his Republican opponent Jack Ryan exposed, revealing accusations of wanting to perform public sex acts and forcing Ryan out of the general election.

It seems that Obama can't win without destroying his opponent by exposing sealed private records. So now, people want Obama's records exposed, and there aren't any, anwhere?

-PJ

11 posted on 06/26/2008 12:39:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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No, he posted a forgery on his official site. THAT is the point.


12 posted on 06/26/2008 12:40:16 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Shermy

You would see the embossing from the back...that lady is BSing... in a previous life her name was Rose Mary Woods!


13 posted on 06/26/2008 12:42:57 PM PDT by Bulwinkle
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We need an answer as to why other known legitimate docs say “Date Accepted by Registrar” and Obama’s says “Date Filed By Registrar”.

WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TWO???

I think one means it is officially “accepted/approved” and the other one just says “someone has filed a BC app with the state”.

14 posted on 06/26/2008 12:43:41 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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It most certainly was photoshopped. Otherwise they Obama webiste version would match the KOS website version.


15 posted on 06/26/2008 12:43:48 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Geraghty says that Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health told him the the document could be genuine. Geesh!

She doesn't know?

How can that be? The standard and good practice is that official vital records are released and the release is logged -- the certificate, after all, has some serial number! That is part of her official duty, imo. Has she not performed her duty?

Is she running a Keystone Cops outfit, or maybe she models her office to a Chicago model?

16 posted on 06/26/2008 12:44:23 PM PDT by bvw
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Some knowledgeable people here have said the embossing indentation might not show up due to the way the document was scanned.

I'm not sure I believe that, now that I think about it. How does the way it's scanned have anything to do with the way a raised seal reflects light and casts shadows? There is absolutely no evidence of a disruption in the paper, a displacement of the pattern, or anything to suggest anything other than a totally flat sheet of paper.

On the DeCosta certification, not only is the bleed-through of the signature visible, but I thought the impression of the signature on the paper is also visible. You'd think that would be visible on the Obama certificate also.

-PJ

17 posted on 06/26/2008 12:44:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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18 posted on 06/26/2008 12:45:25 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: Shermy
The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

Ans also Ms. Okubo, where is the official signature from your office on Obama's Birth Certificate sport? You guys hand-out genuine BC documents without signing them? I believe you told Israeli Insider that your office signs each official BC document.

19 posted on 06/26/2008 12:45:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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you can see the embossing from the back...just not on o’bama’s http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/documents/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg


20 posted on 06/26/2008 12:46:07 PM PDT by Bulwinkle
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