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Forget the Birth Certificate. There Are More Relevant Records. (Obama)
National Review ^ | June 26, 2008 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 06/26/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: Red Steel

> She could do a public courtesy and look up Obama
> on her little computer to see if Obama was born
> in the Hawaii. It’s not a national secret.

And so, presumably, could lots of other people, not all of whom are sympathetic to BOH. So, just like with the moon landing conspiracies, one is forced to wonder as to why no-one has leaked the incriminating information? I’d love to believe that BOH is hiding something here, but so far, I just can’t convince myself that it’s anything as significant as him being born overseas. Given his ego, it could be something that he considers a big deal that others consider minor, but that’s about it. In that case, all we can hope is to catching him in a cover-up-is-more-important-than-the-crime situation.


51 posted on 06/26/2008 2:12:54 PM PDT by MikeGranby
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To: pissant

Stupid question, but I came to the party late. Isn’t it possible to get some FReepers and/or conservatives that were born in Hawaii around the same time to scan in their BCs to see if they are similar? They could redact sensitive info so as not to compromise their identity/security. This may be Dan Rather all over again-only more important. Surely, there were a ton of Navy kids born in Hawaii around then.


52 posted on 06/26/2008 2:19:26 PM PDT by MattinNJ (I can't sit this election out. Obama must be stopped.)
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To: MattinNJ

We’ve done that.


53 posted on 06/26/2008 2:23:44 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: MikeGranby
Look, to expand on my last post, the reason states do not hand out birth certificates to anyone is to prevent identity theft. No one is looking to get an authentic Obama birth certificate. At least The state of Hawaii could give us is a yes or no answer if Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961, and what hospital he was born in.

In that case, all we can hope is to catching him in a cover-up-is-more-important-than-the-crime situation.

That maybe the case here. Do we want a guy who is a dishonest president over something so trivial? Oh never mind ...Clinton.

54 posted on 06/26/2008 2:25:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: pissant

It gets me that you cannot question Obama on the most basic requirement to be president that’s enumerated in the U.S. Constitution, especially when he has published online
what appears to be a fraudulent birth certificate.


55 posted on 06/26/2008 2:28:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: HawaiianGecko

“isn’t in fact ‘cast off’ from another document.”

That’s an interesting idea.


56 posted on 06/26/2008 2:38:56 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: pissant

Sorry-should have known better. Good luck with this.


57 posted on 06/26/2008 2:46:22 PM PDT by MattinNJ (I can't sit this election out. Obama must be stopped.)
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To: Red Steel

Red Steel to TeleStraightShooter
Also from the follow up article:
“Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: “At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.” And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.””

And I don’t see that on Obama’s certificate.
Crossed out certificate number and no seal....

If I handed that in to my employer...they would hand it back to me saying it was invalid.

Obama is applying for public office and he is exempt from showing proper BC. If he become President the taxpayers will be paying his salary and retirement.

As a taxpayer don’t I have a right to know?
Hire a private investigator who can get into BO’s files.
What’s the shame of unsealing public records....he has no problems opening up Hull’s and Ryan’s divorce records.


58 posted on 06/26/2008 2:46:42 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: MattinNJ

No need to apologize. We have been digging into this for a couple weeks.


59 posted on 06/26/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Red Steel

I’ll be willing to bet that all the MSM types that have read the analyzes of this being a fraud (and yes, they keep an eye on the blogosphere) could care less if it is real or not.


60 posted on 06/26/2008 2:51:45 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Shermy

Let’s be gadflys....lets start a public petition.
BO’s BC is invalid.


61 posted on 06/26/2008 2:59:25 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: pissant

Yes, something else concrete on this has to come out which forces them to expose Obama.


62 posted on 06/26/2008 3:12:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Shermy

I agree, but the GOP is afraid to argue with Democrats on the issues.

No guts. Therefore, no glory.


63 posted on 06/26/2008 3:14:37 PM PDT by airborne (Obama vs. McCain - A nose dive or a slow spiral. Either way, we're destined to crash and burn!)
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To: Shermy

Why would he be BHO II and not jr???


64 posted on 06/26/2008 3:27:20 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Shermy
That's my point. Besides the ink clearly visible, the indentation on the paper from the signature is clearly visible. So how is it that the embossing on the Obama document is not visible due to the way it was scanned? How does one emboss only one side of a piece of paper? One can't.

-PJ

65 posted on 06/26/2008 3:38:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: pissant

At least the National Review put it out there. Now that the case has been touched with a ten-foot-pole, others may touch it, too.


66 posted on 06/26/2008 3:46:41 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Shermy
If his birth certificate is valid why he did he use MoveOn.org to issue it.

My take it's a phony!

67 posted on 06/26/2008 3:55:33 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: Political Junkie Too

You get it!!


68 posted on 06/26/2008 4:26:10 PM PDT by dennisw (We have an idiocracy not a democracy)
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To: WOSG

He can lie, but that doesn’t mean the American people will understand.


69 posted on 06/26/2008 4:30:55 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Shermy
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Mr. Geraghty is correct -- why are there no records of Obama's activities in office?

And How thorough have the BO "Streetcleaners' been?"

While in office BO did not keep records? Had no archive system? This is heinous, damned heinous.

70 posted on 06/26/2008 6:48:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Red Steel
It gets me that you cannot question Obama on the most basic requirement to be president that’s enumerated in the U.S. Constitution

I'm not really sure about this guy's background in general. There doesn't seem to be a trail on him. Somebody his age ought to have that. Something about him doesn't add up. It's unsettling, but nobody seems to care, certainly not the MSM.

71 posted on 06/26/2008 7:37:01 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Shermy
Obama wants to hide the fact that his birth certificate name was Barry Harry Obama

No, he wants to hide the fact that his birth name was SweetHome Al Obama.

72 posted on 06/26/2008 9:03:43 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Shermy

obumpa


73 posted on 06/27/2008 12:26:15 AM PDT by Dajjal (Who murdered Larry Bland, Nate Spencer & Donald Young?)
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To: Shermy

Why black out the serial number? Why not counter by posting the birth records and an original birth certificate? Why does the public have to beg the candidate to produce what is clearly a basic prerequisite to running for office?

I for one, am skeptical of Mr. Obama. I want the record uncovered and I want the legislative records produced.


74 posted on 06/27/2008 3:57:50 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: Shermy

...”as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.....”

Yup..! There it is the October surprise....!!!!


75 posted on 06/27/2008 4:04:18 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: Shermy; Lijahsbubbe

The Clinton’s surely know the truth. If there’s anything to it, word will get out somehow. Unless they can make better use out of it quietly, kind of like FBI files.


76 posted on 06/27/2008 4:45:16 AM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: Shermy

It’s not just the embossed seal is it? Isn’t it the signature stamp? Like a notary. You have the indented seal, and then you have the signature (by stamp or whatever). There is neither. And why would a person seal and stamp the back of a legal document? That doesn’t make much sense to me. But I think I am in the minority in questioning this. I keep getting the feeling people want me to move on about it.


77 posted on 06/27/2008 5:50:38 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Shermy

I’m coming to this party late too. But...who would normally check into this kind of stuff when you have a person running for public office?

What about when he originally ran in Chicago politics? Was he ever vetted there?

Did he just “pop” up on the scene? Out of nowhere? Surely there has to be some kind of school records, original drivers license, passport.

Where did his mother live when he was born? What address was listed?


78 posted on 06/27/2008 6:00:48 AM PDT by queenkathy (I will never give up and I will never give in)
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To: queenkathy

Let me add to that by replying to my own post...

How handy that Hawaii became a state in 1959 and he was born 2 yrs later. Silly I know but I just don’t think this all adds up.


79 posted on 06/27/2008 6:03:36 AM PDT by queenkathy (I will never give up and I will never give in)
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To: Shermy
The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal. “

OK.

No, it's not OK.

Embossing raises parts of the the paper. Whatever is visible on one side is seen in reverse on the other.

The premise of not being able to see the seal on one side of the document is false.

80 posted on 06/27/2008 8:18:35 AM PDT by Wil H
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