Posted on 06/26/2008 2:01:48 PM PDT by blam
Italy to fingerprint all Roma gipsy children
By Malcolm Moore in Rome
Last Updated: 9:20PM BST 26/06/2008
Around 80,000 gipsy children are to be fingerprinted by the Italian authorities under a new scheme that has drawn comparisons to the policies of Benito Mussolini.
Unicef said it was 'shocked and deeply worried' by Italy's plans to fingerprint all Roma children
The Italian government has blamed immigrants, and particularly Roma gipsies, for the country's crime problems.
Since Silvio Berlusconi became prime minister in April, gypsy camps in the south and north of the country have been burned by vigilante mobs.
The home minister, Roberto Maroni, has now announced that all the Roma will be fingerprinted, including children. "This is not ethnic cataloguing, this is the ultimate safeguard of their rights," he said.
Article continuesadvertisement "We will take the children's fingerprints in order to stop those occasions when parents send their children out to beg. It is a proper census to make sure that those who have the right to stay here can live in decent conditions," he said.
According to the latest figures, there are 160,000 Roma gipsies in Italy, almost half of whom have Italian citizenship. The last census recorded that 80,000 of them are children.
The move has triggered memories of the segregation of Jews imposed by Benito Mussolini in 1938. "I remember when I could not go to school with the others," said Amos Luzzatto, a former president of Italy's Union of Jewish Communities.
"There is a latent racism in Italian culture and it manifests itself cyclically," he added. "Taking the fingerprints of youngsters from one ethnic group implies that you consider them to be congenital thieves."
Unicef, the United Nation's children's rights body, said it was "shocked and deeply worried" by the plans.
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My mother said that Gypsies steal babies.
Good, I was in Rome last summer and the Gypsies were just horrible. They need to clean up the whole city.
Sadly, many of them are brought up to steal. They’ve ripped off people I know, and they prey on tourists. Blame their parents if you don’t like it, not the responsible Italians who are trying to protect the public.
The implant chips will follow soon enough.
I have never been to Italy, but a large portion of my family is there and the multitude of stories I’ve heard about the gypsies are nothing short of horrendous.
White racists used to say, and I guess still do say, that blacks are all thieves, based upon their disproportionate participation in crime.
Of course, Blacks are not thieves. They traditionally suffered from a lack of opportunity, and, later, from the breakdown of the family caused by LBJ.
In the case of the Gypsies, though, is it not correct that in fact stealing is the culture? That parents and grandparents alike are thieves, and hope to raise good little thieves? That is, that they raise their kids to steal as much as others hope for their children to be doctors or lawyers?
Please, I am not stating that as fact. But, I have read quite a bit which suggests it is true.
Not a bad idea. Aside from the fact that many of these kids are trained to be thieves from birth, they are also often themselves the victims of various schemes (run by their own families) that ship them around within the country and to other countries, where they are put out to beg or commit crimes for other members of their extended families.
Good move. Enough already!
I’ve been robbed twice in my life so far and both times in Europe and both times by gypsies.
When UNICEF comes down on something, you can generally take it for granted that it is on the wrong side.
I wonder if folks in other nations are as sick of the U.N. and UNICEF as we are.
I’ve had two actual experiences with gypsies. When we were in Ericeira, Portugal, with the kids one summer there was a gypsy encampment nearby. Everyone said to watch out, because they would steal anything that wasn’t nailed down, and I think they knew what they were talking about.
The other was the experience of our English cousins in a village near Bath. A bunch of gypsies took down a gate and moved into the woods on the edge of their property. In typical English fashion the law protected them from being ejected. There was no legal recourse. Fortunately they eventually decided to move on.
I’m not saying that our illegal immigrant problem is like that of the gypsies, but can you imagine if the US tried to take prints of all illegals?
One could hear the howls of protest all the way to Italy.
It’s about time. The parents use these children to steal people blind and it’s almost impossible to stop this trafficking in stolen goods through children. The rob people in broad daylight in front of witnesses and run. Gangs of children will attack a single person and strip them of everything of value. Before this step, the children were let off scot-free and the organizers of these crimes, mother and father, were never prosecuted.
The US has it share of Gypsies, The Irish Travelers are the most notorious.
Last I heard the Roma didn't invent the Mafia, or the Corsican Union ~ that was a deal cooked up by Italian, Sicilian and French criminals.
If your cousins would have wanted to take the gate down, the local planners would have probably grade 2 listed it and denied their request.
The only Gypsies I ever met were thieves. Fingerprinting them is a great idea.
Why can’t Italy just crack down on crime?
Criminal behavior is the problem. Prove and punish it.
Suspicion may fall disproportionately on some groups that have a history of criminality. In the U.S., one ought to look at young muslim men more carefully at airports. In Italy, the police may wish to concern themselves with Gypsies.
But even if criminality is rampant in an ethnic or other group, one should still presume innocence. The vast majority of young muslim guys at the airport are on business trips. The vast majority of Roma are going about their daily lives not stealing.
That virtually all terrorist attacks are perpetrated by young muslim males doesn’t mean the suspension of individual liberty for them compared to others. It just means they’ll be watched more carefully. That’s logical, protective of everyone else, and doesn’t infringe on their rights.
We shouldn’t, however, round up all the young muslim men of the country and fingerprint them. “They might be taken to a madrassah and trained to be terrorists!” would be the equivalent logic as the Italians are employing. That’s wrong. Group guilt does not exist, in my opinion. Group punishment is immoral. Using the force of the state to preemptorily tag (fingerprint, chip implantation, yellow star armbands, etc.) certain groups as having a predeliction for criminality is wrong.
While a majority of terrorists are Muslims, and a majority of thieves in Italy may be Roma, that doesn’t mean the majority muslims are terrorists, or the majority of Roma are thieves.
It may even be that a majority of muslims support terror. I’ve seen where 38% of British Muslims believe they should kill a Jew when they find one. Nonetheless, that doesn’t mean Britain should put implant WiFi chips in the b*tts of every Muslim. Neither should Italy fingerprint all Roma children.
Thank the Lord on High that the Gypsies knew how to live on the road, without a home, nor with land to grow vegetables.
They taught those who were willing to learn how to survive.
Most of those folks have over the years moved to America. In the early days they taught Americans how to settle a nation and assimilated.
Too bad Europeans are not smart enough to figure out how to deal with the Gypsies.
Gypsies are one class of people who are truly scum.
The Irish Travelers (Tinkers) are not Gypsies. That’s a myth. They are lowlifes, however.
Even burning a "T" for thief into the forehead did nothing to control such behavior in an earlier time.
What you have to do is create a society that's worth the time and trouble of a Gypsy to join.
This is about illegal immigration and the government’s attempt to crackdown on it.
Just the blonde ones.
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Dude, try a modifier. "Most of whom" might even be true. But blanket? That's the slippery slope to dehumanization and genocide.
The difference is that many people in this thread can speak from personal experience that the Gypsies are often thieves and con men. I’ve seen it. Can’t say that I’ve seen as much of that among the Brits I’ve encountered.
Genocide can’t be committed online. Lighten up.
I take you’ve seen the “Godfather” and read a book or two about the mafia. That explains your brilliant and insightful post.
The issue, as various posts on this thread note, is that there are young children who are sent out to steal as a matter of fact. The fact that the gov’t has been lenient on the perpetrators has caused it to worsen over the years to the point of violence. This is a logical step in protecting the citizens.
Ours even have Scottish and Irish surnames, red hair, blue eyes, etc.
The same clans who were doing this 250 years ago were doing it 150 years ago, and 50 years ago, and now.
I'm frequently mistaken by them because I look like a couple of guys they regularly use as lawyers.
A more recent development has been the arrival of more Roma to the UK (and everywhere else). I would imagine that to the "victim" they all look alike eh~!
Seems like a lot of the werewolf population is affiliated with gypsies.
A number of researchers into the phenomenon found that there is a record of the Roma willingly taking on board “foundlings”. At the same time it’s pretty much standard practice for the Roma to drop their kids off to be raised by others until they are old enough to “work” on the road. These practices have led to a dramatic change in the genetic background of Roma in Europe.
Yup, know a lot about it. Several of my ancestors held the title “King of Sicily”. Now, your credentials.
The more things change.....
ML/NJ
I was in Rome 15 years ago and when I got off the train from the airport I saw the hand written signs: Beware of the Zingarellis (gypsy thiefs). I was surrounded by a mob of them, mostly young girls and little kids trying to pick our pockets when some guy came running up to them yelling “Where’s my wallet, where’s my wallet?” They quickly left me and dispersed. The next day we were by the Colliseum and a large group came across the street toward us and my son who was attending school in Rome pulled out his Gerber multi purpose pliers and said to them in Italian, “ You touch me and I will twist your fingers off.” It worked and away they went to hassle some other tourists. Sounds like nothing has changed.
That I don’t work for the Post Office.
Same stuff; different venue.
They live right there in South Carolina. Ain’t no thang to get to Florida! (For outsiders, he’s referring to the people called the “Murphies”).
Mein Kampf was just a book.
Enclosure hit England as hard as it did the poor Harps and Scots, the Roma and the Travelers were and are trash and thieves.
Gypsies steal everything...
BTW, My family is part Irish and we been in the U.S. since 1690...Even I would consider these folks lowlife.
I am not a racist but I will freely admit to being a "culturalist". It's not their genes that make Gypsies a pest. It is their parasitic culture.
While in Spain, the Gypsy beggars, whether they were 70 year old women or 8 year old boys or 25 year old able-bodied men would approach you and start begging for money in the most pathetic and whining voice. No matter where you went in Spain or how old the beggar was, it was always the same pathetic whine.
Although I am fluent in Spanish and my Cuban accent would result in puzzled Spaniards asking me what Spanish province I was from, when I had to deal with Gypsies, I pretended to be somebody from Idaho that did not know a word of Spanish. The Gypsy would then take their act to the Spaniards at the table next to us.
As an aside, several times in the D.C. area, I’ve been accosted by foreigners begging (older folks, couldn’t speak english, holding a handwritten note). I don’t believe they were scamming and I felt sorry for them, but that should be an automatic deportation offense. We should not allow people into this country who can’t support themselves. What became of the old sponsorship arrangement?
As far as the Murphies being lowlife, that they may be. They also marry their kids off young ~ younger than F(lds) in fact!
Their Midwestern cohort are known as the Williams/Williamson family.
BTW, as Irish as these people are thought to be, I know they speak Romnashal, and I've even caught some of them doing some quite aggressive Roma. They are more affiliated with traditional Roma than they let on.
As far as the Murphies being lowlife, that they may be. They also marry their kids off young ~ younger than F(lds) in fact!
Their Midwestern cohort are known as the Williams/Williamson family.
BTW, as Irish as these people are thought to be, I know they speak Romnashal, and I've even caught some of them doing some quite aggressive Roma. They are more affiliated with traditional Roma than they let on.
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