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Police Union Standing By Mexican Militia Reports (AZ home invation)
KFYI ^ | June 26, 2008

Posted on 06/26/2008 7:25:30 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Police documents show that at least one of the suspects involved in a home invasion and homicide were active members of the Mexican Army.

View Police Documents: Page 1 Page 2 Page 3

A top member of a Phoenix police union is standing by reports that at least one of the men involved in a Monday morning home invasion and homicide was an active member in the Mexican Army. Click Here for the update.

"Even if you put aside the Mexican military, you have illegals in the country...they're protected with tactical gear using tactical strategies in police uniforms willing to ambush police officers. I think that's bad enough," said Mark Spencer, President of the Phoenix Police Enforcement Association.

While on the J.D. Hayworth show Tuesday, Mark Spencer announced that the suspects were hired by drug cartels to perform home invasions and murders.

The incident at 8329 W. Cypress St. resulted in the death of the homeowner. Between 50 and 100 rounds were fired at the house.

Spencer said a police officer told him that one of the men captured said they were completely prepared to ambush Phoenix police, but ran out of ammunition.

He added that all were all dressed in military tactical gear and were armed with AR-15 assault rifles. Three other men involved in the invasion escaped.

(Excerpt) Read more at kfyi.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; guns; illegals; immigrantlist; mexicans

1 posted on 06/26/2008 7:25:31 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: fieldmarshaldj; SwinneySwitch; SandRat; ExTexasRedhead; neverdem; T.L.Sink; PhilDragoo; sionnsar; ..

I wonder how many more of these have happened without news coverage?


2 posted on 06/26/2008 7:27:30 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; yorkie; machogirl

Looky...


3 posted on 06/26/2008 7:31:25 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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bookmark


4 posted on 06/26/2008 7:34:51 PM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The only news coverage of this one is KFYI.


5 posted on 06/26/2008 7:34:56 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
He added that all were all dressed in military tactical gear and were armed with AR-15 assault rifles

Well there you have it. We need to bad assault rifles and tactical military gear.

6 posted on 06/26/2008 7:36:23 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Clintonfatigued

thanks, bfl


7 posted on 06/26/2008 7:42:29 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: c-b 1; Clintonfatigued
The local NBC news channel picked it up:

This happened in a nice quiet Phoenix neighborhood:

View local news video report

8 posted on 06/26/2008 7:48:38 PM PDT by donna (Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones, But Words Will Never Hurt Me)
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To: Clintonfatigued
One of my first thoughts is, are these guys just a few soldiers who “borrowed” some army equipment and snuck across the border? Or is this the tip of some kind of larger organized crime outfit.

This story should be front page news nationally of course it's not, yet anyways.

9 posted on 06/26/2008 8:02:41 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: Clintonfatigued; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...

Update ping.

Local Phoenix radio station KFYI appears to have done some investigative work and obtained evidence supporting claims that at least one of the 6 shooters from Monday morning is a current active member of the Mexican Army.

From there, the scenarios are legion...


10 posted on 06/26/2008 8:07:05 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: Clintonfatigued
There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. According to this Daily Telegraph Article:
Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones. If the trend continues, 2008 will top last year's toll of 2,500 deaths in drug-related killings.
You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military. There are even reports of Mexican Military in coming north of the border to perform contract hits for Mexican drug cartels.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Studies relevant to the issue only allude to more blacks and whites being killed by firearms. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens.


11 posted on 06/26/2008 8:10:27 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: upchuck; BillyBoy; NeoCaveman; JulieRNR21; chicagolady

The American southwest is slowly becoming a dangerous place.


12 posted on 06/26/2008 8:22:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Aglooka
One of my first thoughts is, are these guys just a few soldiers who “borrowed” some army equipment and snuck across the border? Or is this the tip of some kind of larger organized crime outfit.

That is a very good question. My personal opinion is that this was part of the drug cartel war going on in Mexico now and was sanctioned by a dirty group within the Mexican military. An absolute answer is not so easy- there are groups of highly organized supporters of drug cartels in the Mexican military. There are also members of the Mexican military who leave the military in order to work for a drug cartel- the AWOL rates in the Mexican military are astounding and most claim the main reason is they leave to hire out to the cartels. There are also rogue elements that might on their own do something like this, but since it involved several people I would need a lot of info to come to that conclusion. Mexico is so thoroughly corrupt it is hard to really decipher this type of thing. A few weeks ago a DEA agent told me things are such a mess in Mexico now that they have a hard time figuring out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are at this point- and just because one has a badge or is in the Military does not mean anything about what side they are on. The possibilities are endless.

13 posted on 06/26/2008 8:40:45 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: HiJinx; ckilmer

Thanks for the ping; post/links

Life/liberty BUMP!


14 posted on 06/26/2008 8:59:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Clintonfatigued

Not responding to this is an impeachable offense


15 posted on 06/26/2008 9:27:43 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Clintonfatigued

SLOWLY????? Nothing slow about it from what I can see. But were we to build the fence AND decriminalize drugs, I think we’d see a MAJOR lessening of problems like this. Also, today’s SCOTUS ruling on 2A will help a lot. Getting rid of restrictions on carrying and owning firearms will make these thugs think once or twice more than they currently have to... except that Arizona has some reasonable open carry rules.


16 posted on 06/26/2008 10:46:18 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Have faith! George will take care of this!.....George?.....George?


17 posted on 06/26/2008 11:01:44 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Conservatives NEED John Bolton for President, and Charles Krauthammer for VP!)
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To: RaceBannon

Wouldn’t something like this be looked upon as an attack in other countries?

To be responded to in kind and with much more fanfare?

Am I missing something here?

Can I get a witness?


18 posted on 06/27/2008 12:12:12 AM PDT by Califreak (What exactly is a "Do Wacka Do" anyway?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

No Country For Old Men


19 posted on 06/27/2008 12:13:46 AM PDT by Califreak (What exactly is a "Do Wacka Do" anyway?)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

gracias :)


20 posted on 06/27/2008 10:01:30 AM PDT by machogirl
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Thanks neverdem.


21 posted on 06/27/2008 10:39:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: c-b 1
The only news coverage of this one is KFYI.

I moved from Phoenix to Minneapolis last summer.

Are Barry Young and/or Bruce Jacobs covering this, or just J.D. Hayworth?

Cheers!

22 posted on 06/29/2008 5:14:54 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I don’t know if Barry Young and Bruce Jacobs are talking about it. I’m far encough out that I don’t get Phoenix radio stations here, I’ve been searching the internet, and haven’t found it anywhere else. I was in Phoenix over the weekend, not too many people were had heard about it, someone said J.D. was on O’reily Friday night.


23 posted on 06/29/2008 5:36:30 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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