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Judicial activism by conservatives
The Los Angeles Times ^ | June 27, 2008 | Erwin Chemerinsky

Posted on 06/26/2008 8:44:48 PM PDT by Baron OBeef Dip

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To: SoCal Pubbie

Actually, Chemerinsky IS a lawyer, a very liberal one.

Obama would probably nominate him to the Supreme Court.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Erwin+Chemerinsky&btnG=Search


21 posted on 06/26/2008 9:00:42 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

Chemerinsky is a simpering communist who couldn’t possibly have reasd the decision. He just gravitates to these kinds of stupid comments.

What a maroon!


22 posted on 06/26/2008 9:00:58 PM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
Good Lord.

Only an ultra-liberal could possibly view upholding the Second Ammendment of the Constitution as being "judicial activism".

These guys truly have no shame whatsoever.

23 posted on 06/26/2008 9:01:57 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

Judicial activism is making up new rights in the Constitution that aren’t there. The 2nd Amendment ruling is about protecting a right that clearly is in the Constitution.


24 posted on 06/26/2008 9:03:30 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Time to Fight the Religious Right
by Erwin Chemerinsky|

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erwin-chemerinsky/time-to-fight-the-religio_b_8048.html

“I believe that the greatest threat to liberty in the United States is posed by the religious right, largely comprised of Christian fundamentalists. Across a broad spectrum of issues they want to move the law in a radically more conservative direction, ultimately threatening our freedom.

This spring, I argued a case in the Supreme Court challenging a six-foot tall, three feet wide Ten Commandments monument that sits between the Texas State Capitol and the Texas Supreme Court.”


25 posted on 06/26/2008 9:04:04 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
The Supreme Court's invalidation of the District of Columbia's handgun ban powerfully shows that the conservative rhetoric about judicial restraint is a lie.

The anti-American, liberal chumps appear to be more than a little upset over today's ruling. Maggots like the "author" are finally getting a dose of what it feels like to be a conservative. Deal with it Erwin!

26 posted on 06/26/2008 9:06:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
If the terms "judicial activism" and "judicial restraint" have any meaning, it is that a court is activist when it is invalidating laws and overruling precedent, and restrained when deferring to popularly elected legislatures and following prior decisions.

Never before had the Supreme Court found that the 2nd Amendment bestows on individuals a right to have guns. In fact, in 1939 (and other occasions), the court rejected this view.

I would consider that 1939 ruling an act of judicial activism. The author's Orwellian logic seems to go something like this: An act of judicial activism that is congenial to progressive thinking is not really judicial activism, in any meaningful sense of that term. To undo the original act of judicial activism--or whatever term one might prefer--would be true judicial activism.

Or something like that.

27 posted on 06/26/2008 9:07:29 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
There is thus strong reason to believe that the 2nd Amendment only guarantees gun rights for those serving in a militia.

Don't worry, folks - this guy is a moron. More importantly, he is completely inconsequential.

All I can say is "bang!". I'm taking my team out for a day at the range.
28 posted on 06/26/2008 9:09:51 PM PDT by andyk
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

What percentage of the population of the United States, at the time of the ratification of the bill of Rights, did NOT possess arms? I ask concerning individual citizens.

I am going to guess that the percentage of individual Americans in 1787-1789 who did NOT possess arms would be too small a number to be considered significant.

And this garbage about trying to define the militia as something like any recent standing U.S. Army is ridiculous. The “militia” in 1787 to 1789 consisted of the common citizenry — an ARMED citizenry. Why, while the Constitution calls for a standing Navy, it does not call for a separate standing army. I believe the armed citizenry itself was to be taken for the nation’s army — the militia.


29 posted on 06/26/2008 9:11:30 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
The text of the 2nd Amendment is ambiguous.

Only to an idiot or a liar. And I'm being very diplomatic.

30 posted on 06/26/2008 9:11:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: rwa265

I wonder if he was in the Group of 88?

No, his name was not on the list.

31 posted on 06/26/2008 9:11:53 PM PDT by dancusa (For liberals there is no end to their rights and no beginning to their responsibilities.)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

That’s the sort of liberal nonsense one can expect from the L.A. Times. I actually read Scalia’s opinion for the majority and it consists, among other things, of a rigid historical analysis of the original intent of the Founders and why they believed the Second Amendment applied to INDIVIDUALS and not to any “well regulated militia” as a separate corporate entity. To suggest that the Court is being “activist” by upholding a part of the Bill of Rights against assaults from groups that have partisan agendas to promote is just playing the usual convoluted word game that liberals love to play when they don’t like a Court decision. Besides, judicial activism is not interpreting the Constitution but legislating from the bench. Even the radical L.A. Times can’t rationally claim that. The majority cited stare decisis, historical context, and the words and intent of the Founders.


32 posted on 06/26/2008 9:12:23 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

James Madison, of Virginia:

The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” — The Federalist, No. 46

Thomas Jefferson, of Virginia:

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776
“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Jefferson`s “Commonplace Book,” 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

Samuel Adams, of Massachusetts:

“The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” — Massachusetts` U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

George Mason, of Virginia:

“[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.”. . . I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” — Virginia`s U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=53


33 posted on 06/26/2008 9:12:23 PM PDT by camerakid400 (Oy Gevalt)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
There is thus strong reason to believe that the 2nd Amendment only guarantees gun rights for those serving in a militia.

What a ridiculous statement.

34 posted on 06/26/2008 9:14:12 PM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

...since when did reading the Constitution and doing what it says become “activism”?

And if it is “activism” why is it a bad thing?


35 posted on 06/26/2008 9:18:36 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: Baron OBeef Dip

Here’s today’s definition of a drooling moron:

Someone who believes that cases decided by activist judges over the most recent 70 or so years is untouchable holy writ...

...but...

...the case law of the prior 140 or so years, the text of the Constitution itself, the writings of the Founders, the facts of the Revolution, etc. are meaningless tripe.

Fact: the reversal of a series of errors that began a lifetime ago is NOT judicial activism, it is the restoration of the proper interpretation of the law. “Judicial Activism” can be defined as making up law out of whole cloth and claiming very vigorously that this result WOULD HAVE BEEN the Original Intent, if only the writers of the Constitution had been enlightened enough to figure out the issue at hand.


36 posted on 06/26/2008 9:18:41 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
I would consider that 1939 ruling an act of judicial activism.

You shouldn't. The Miller ruling only happened the way it did because the defendant wasn't present so no case was presented on the defense side. The government side asserted that short-barreled shotguns had no militia role because they weren't a military weapon (in spite of the fact that they had been used in the first world war. The court couldn't consider this fact because it hadn't been presented; because no case at all had been presented by the defense, who weren't present).

All of Miller was based on a lie, but even so the ruling was limited in scope and misrepresented by future courts. The court never ruled in any way that the 2nd amendment was not an individual right; they just said that there was no evidence presented that sawed-off shotguns had a valid militia role.

37 posted on 06/26/2008 9:20:10 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Baron OBeef Dip
Never before had the Supreme Court found that the 2nd Amendment bestows on individuals a right to have guns.

In United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, Chief Justice Rehnquist stated; "The Second Amendment protects "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms," and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments provide that certain rights and powers are retained by and reserved to "the people." See also U.S. Const., Amdt. 1, ("Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble"); Art. I, s 2, cl. 1 ("The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States") (emphasis added). While this textual exegesis is by no means conclusive, it suggests that "the people" protected by the Fourth Amendment, and by the First and Second Amendments, and to whom rights and powers are reserved in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, refers to a class of persons who are part of a national community or who have otherwise developed sufficient connection with this country to be considered part of that community. 110 S. Ct. at 1061. Since Verdugo-Urquidez is not part of "the people," he is not protected by the Fourth Amendments (nor, apparently, by the First, Second, Ninth, or Tenth).

"The Supreme Court therefore views the words "the people" in the Second Amendment to have the same meaning as in the First, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. If "the people" really meant the right of states to maintain a militia, then we would be left with the absurd notion that only the states have the right to peaceably assemble, only the states have the right to be secure in their persons and property, etc. The Supreme Court's position is indisputable: the Second Amendment protects the individual right to bear arms."

The Supreme Court and the Second Amendment

38 posted on 06/26/2008 9:21:26 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: irishjuggler

Chemerinksy, ironically, taught the Constitutional Law portion of Barbri’s bar review course I took last year. I just remember that he was whiny and a total nerd.


39 posted on 06/26/2008 9:23:49 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: donaldo

You’re absolutely correct. And if you’ll look into the history of England, the right to bear arms (AND FOR SELF-DEFENSE) is a very old one—one the colonists absolutely would have believed in.

One of the first acts of Parliament following the accession of William and Mary to the throne of England as a result of the Glorious Revolution of 1688 was to restore the old constitution with its provision that every man may arm for self-defense. Yes, with restrictions, but fundamental to this was the right to self-defense.

What Chimerinsky would have us believe is that the colonists and the founding fathers would actually limit the right to bear arms from what they had known in England after the British had attempted to seize their individual liberties and their weapons. The idea is wholly preposterous.

And I’ll note our dear Chimerinsky refers to these judges as advocates of “judicial restraint.” I’ll note that if he referred to them as what they are more commonly known as—orginalists—it wholly demolishes his argument and turns the arguments all against him.


40 posted on 06/26/2008 9:26:12 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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