Posted on 06/26/2008 11:51:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Alaska, Wyoming, Montana, etc... Their crime rates are FAR below areas with heavy restrictions on individual firearms carry and usage.
But this isn't really what you are whining about. You don't like guns. We get it. It's poverty that is the real cause of crime and you want more of our money to redistribute to the lazy, indolent, or drug addled. Your socialism demands I take food out of my children's mouths to feed your baby-mama's.
Too bad the rest of us need to live in the real world or we'd be able to join in your little Utopian fantasy where every blade of grass is the same height.
Some people fail in life. Get over it. The rest of us can protect ourselves from your criminal brethren quite nicely if you just get out of our way.
“Then, you are a fool.”
No, Im just someone who disagrees with you.
“That’s great! Maybe one day you can go to jail for defending yourself with a bat or a club or knife like all the others whose stories I read.”
And you believe what the MSM prints absolutely do you?
“Your point about deterred assailants makes mine.”
Not exactly.
“The attackers are going to continue until stopped. No amount of gun regulation will change that.”
Absolutely! INCLUDING no regulation at all.
“The core of your argument is the need for a change in the human heart. That will not occur via government action of any kind. Support your local (bible-based) church.”
Hurrah! We get to it at last! What prevents crime is a change in peoples attitudes. And that comes about through many things, but predominantly an increasing awareness of your own self-worth. Most people, I am convinced, drift into a life of crime through laziness, boredom, or a feeling that “nothing matters”. Well it does, and that point needs to be hammered home.
“Alaska, Wyoming, Montana, etc... Their crime rates are FAR below areas with heavy restrictions on individual firearms carry and usage.”
And what would these areas be then?
“But this isn’t really what you are whining about. You don’t like guns. We get it. It’s poverty that is the real cause of crime and you want more of our money to redistribute to the lazy, indolent, or drug addled. Your socialism demands I take food out of my children’s mouths to feed your baby-mama’s.”
You know, it is so easy to post on this forum, you dont even need to type! Psychic individuals like yourself can write down everything you are thinking without even having to tap at the keyboards. Its really quite amazing.
1) Im not whining...im simply expressing an opinion that the status of firearm rights has relatively little effect on crime statistics.
2) I dont believe poverty is the real cause of crime. Not at all, unless of course you mean poverty of spirit.
3) I dont want to redistribute anyone elses money. I think the task forces that combat crime would be better advised to spend their resources differently, but I dont want to increaset the tax burden.
4) I dont want to “take food our of your babys mouth”, but I admit it really is a very effective emotion-packed statement that prevents anyone actually thinking about what I was actually saying. Well done for that.
Hmmm..none out of four.. Want to try for the bonus extra?
“Too bad the rest of us need to live in the real world or we’d be able to join in your little Utopian fantasy where every blade of grass is the same height.”
And there it is! What is my utopian fantasy? That I want to fight crime? That I think it would be better if there was less of it?
“Some people fail in life. Get over it. The rest of us can protect ourselves from your criminal brethren quite nicely if you just get out of our way.”
MY criminal brethren? My???
[salutes while singing “Land of the free”]
Show me otherwise. How do Brits defend themselves from yobs?
"Hey, you over there - Vanders9 - you're out of key..!"
Woops. Your extrapolation to “...no regulation at all” also is wide of the mark. I would submit that no regulation at all would put the bad guys on notice. You would see over time a decline in both bad guys and ultimately, crime levels. The fight cannot be avoided. The state of Vermont has no regulation in that respect. Compare the assault stats there with Chicago or DC.
But the liberal mentality is addicted to Staatsgewalt. The force of the state for (their definition of) good. Sigh.
We are headed for a time of unspeakable tyranny on this planet - and your thinking plays into it. The second amendment guarantees the first...and many others.
I certainly will not convince you of the spiritual depth of the issue - people ultimately do not ‘drift’ into crime. There is a God; there is consummate evil in opposition. I do understand that this Mannichean Weltanschauung is utterly alien to the liberated 21st Century intellectual,’ but it is true.
When the knife is finally at your or a loved one’s throat, you would be very happy to see me show up. Very happy.
I agree with the idea that an understanding of our self-worth is important, but even that must derive from our relationship to God - His love for us. It is specifically a godless society that becomes the petri dish for the devil’s cultures - demonic cults such as Islam also work well.
Shalom
....or is it everyone else out of key? :)
The same as anyone else. Why would you think it would be any different? Britain is not an intrinsically less violent place than the US. In fact (having spent a goodly time in both) I would think the reverse is probably true.
It just doesn’t tend to lethal violence.
“I would submit that no regulation at all would put the bad guys on notice. You would see over time a decline in both bad guys and ultimately, crime levels”
Well we will have to agree to disagree then, because I think no regulation at all would be a recipe for chaos.
“We are headed for a time of unspeakable tyranny on this planet - and your thinking plays into it.”
I think like you that we are headed for chaos and tyranny, but I think your kind of thinking is accelerating it.
“I certainly will not convince you of the spiritual depth of the issue - people ultimately do not ‘drift’ into crime. There is a God; there is consummate evil in opposition.”
Don’t try the spiritual one-upmanship game with me. I am utterly convinced of the spiritual depth of the issue, but I dont have a dualist approach like you do. The devil may tempt, but God reigns.
“When the knife is finally at your or a loved one’s throat, you would be very happy to see me show up. Very happy.”
That would depend on who you shot in your fervour.
“I agree with the idea that an understanding of our self-worth is important, but even that must derive from our relationship to God - His love for us. It is specifically a godless society that becomes the petri dish for the devil’s cultures”
Absolutely! So why dont you fight against that movement in society with as much fervour? This battle is not just of this world. We aren’t going to shoot our way out of this. That may (probably will) be a part of it, but there is also a battle for the hearts and minds. Every general knows that the important battles are fought with words, not bullets.
So. Britain is more violent? Are you sure that's what you meant to say.
It just doesn’t tend to lethal violence.
Well, isn't that special. So, it's more violent but less dying. Gotcha. I won't be going to Britain anytime soon.
1. I do not advocate anarchy. Regulation of guns is not part of anarchy avoidance.
2. I speak of the approaching tyranny with great sadness and regret. At 65 years, having worked in many countries, I can only observe that some rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem to be born. Do not ever imply that I am accelerating the process or enjoy it.
3. I teach in a church, support many charities and am working to see Obama defeated. My profession is rewarding many poor working people much better for their efforts to support their families.
4. Revisit Matt 4 & Luke 4: When our Lord was tempted in the wilderness and offered the kingdoms of this world, he refused. Quoted Deuteronomy. But note the critical fact: He did not challenge the devil’s right to make the award. Says a lot about this world. We are also warned that this evil will war against the saints and prevail (temporarily) Rev 13.
5. “That would depend on who(sic) you shot in your fervour.” The emotionally loaded language (fervour) is also off target. My use of guns is most deliberate, judicious and dependent on training. As a practical matter, I would trust myself and my friends more with a gun than some law enforcement officers I know...
6. We do agree about the importance of words. I will wage the war of words until that is no longer possible. And if the leftists are in power, that will be sooner rather than later (e.g. “Fairness Doctrine”). History has unfortunately demonstrated that the Good has to sometimes fight to undo the Double-Plus-Ungood. The spirit behind the Nazis, Islamonazis, Bushido warrior cult...is one and the same. Only the Advent of Y’shua will cure that.
Shalom
It's no secret that the cause of increased gun violence is the breakdown in families, which results in young males thinking they have to shoot each other to prove their manhood.
It is also clear there is no easy way to force society back into adopting the nuclear-family model.
Until we can accomplish that, the violence will continue, whether with guns or with knives and baseball bats.
Which means you've never even done a cursory study of the crime stats or you wouldn't make such a blatantly idiotic statement.
Start with reading John Lott's "More guns, Less Crime", then get back to me...
The only thing I care about genius is that I've stopped, 3 count em Three, crimes against myself and another. I wish I was like you and didn't ever have to leave my wine cellar.
Have you heard of Oz?
Possibly, but at least we’re better armed! :-)
“So. Britain is more violent? Are you sure that’s what you meant to say.”
Err...yes.
“Well, isn’t that special. So, it’s more violent but less dying. Gotcha. I won’t be going to Britain anytime soon.”
Great. I wouldnt want to meet up with such a rude person
“The emotionally loaded language (fervour) is also off target. “
Just trying to keep up with you.
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