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Webb's rebel roots: An affinity for Confederacy
Politico ^ | 6/10/08 | David Mark

Posted on 06/27/2008 7:08:18 AM PDT by cowboyway

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To: cowboyway

A resolution is feckless except as it publicizes political posturing for the benefit of influencing the electorate.


21 posted on 06/27/2008 7:50:08 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: WayneS
The relevant text of the 14th reads: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” This allows some of the restraints on Federal power to be applied to the states. Further, you can't outlaw homosexual sex because that would violate the “equal protection” clause - just one such example. I don't believe that was the original intent of the amendment, but it was written in such an amorphous manner as to lend itself to that interpretation.

The 17th took the power to elect Senators away from the States and gave it directly to the people. Originally, the Senators would fight abuses of Federal power to ensure state sovereignty (and keep their jobs.) Once the States themselves lost their voice in the Federal government, the power under the Constitution was able to be abused. When Congress passes a law pursuant to its powers under Article I (think Commerce among the States, Taxing and Spending powers - two fairly broad powers), the Supremacy clause, which makes the Constitution and Federal Law made pursuant thereto the supreme law of the land, operates to preempt any state laws. That is how we got a Federal Dept. of Education - Senators stopped looking out for their states (since they answered directly to the people) and they confirmed Justices who believed that “Commerce among the States” meant anything remotely related to Commerce - such as education.

22 posted on 06/27/2008 7:50:26 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: cowboyway

Chill out. It was a joke.


23 posted on 06/27/2008 7:51:10 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: cowboyway

And besides, had the Rebellion and the Black Codes never occured, I doubt we’d even have a 14th Amendment, and thus we wouldn’t be having the problem we see today.


24 posted on 06/27/2008 7:52:28 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: cowboyway

Dixie ping?


25 posted on 06/27/2008 7:54:03 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: thefrankbaum
All the while on our part not a sound of trumpet or drum, not a cheer, nor a word nor motion of man, but awful stillness as if it were the passing of the dead.

Chamberlain recognized, at the conclusion of hostilities, the Rebels were once again Americans,

Or, perhaps the recognized that the freedom and liberty that the Founding Fathers fought for was spiraling down the drain to be replaced by a authoritarian central gubmint...................

26 posted on 06/27/2008 7:55:19 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway

His affinity for the South, the Confederacy and the Scots-Irish are to be commended. It’s one redeeming feature.
The FR PC police will disagree I’m sure. But so what! They can go butt a stump for all I care. I’m sick of ‘em!


27 posted on 06/27/2008 7:58:47 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Lucky Dog
A resolution is feckless except as it publicizes political posturing for the benefit of influencing the electorate.

Another nattering naysayer of negativism............

It's that kind of thinking that has become dominant within the republican party and turned it into an impotent, whimpering embarrassment.

Of which I am, proudly, no longer a member of.

28 posted on 06/27/2008 8:00:32 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: thefrankbaum

Okay. Fair enough. That is also my take on it. I don’t AGREE that it guts the 10th Amendment but others more powerful than I DO think that way, so there you go.

Now, by “their” logic, can you explain why the 2nd Amendment restrictions on the Federal Government’s ability to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms do NOT apply to the states?


29 posted on 06/27/2008 8:00:40 AM PDT by WayneS (America's Commies Love Their Obami !!!!)
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie ping


30 posted on 06/27/2008 8:03:19 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: thefrankbaum
Chill out. It was a joke.

It was a stupid reply that is prevalent on these threads.

"We won. Get over it."

What if the Nazi's had 'won'?

Would you tell the Jews to 'get over it'...............if there were any left, that is.

31 posted on 06/27/2008 8:04:30 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway

IMHO, Jim Webb is seriously unbalanced.


32 posted on 06/27/2008 8:04:54 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: thefrankbaum
And besides, had the Rebellion and the Black Codes never occured, I doubt we’d even have a 14th Amendment, and thus we wouldn’t be having the problem we see today.

You're probably right because Lincoln would have turned our constitutional representative republic on its head............

33 posted on 06/27/2008 8:05:57 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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Ron Walters, director of the African American Leadership Center at the University of Maryland and a professor of political science there, said Webb’s past writings and comments on the Confederacy could dampen enthusiasm for the Democratic ticket, should he appear on it.

“Unless he is able to explain it, it would raise some questions,” Walters said.

Explain what Mr African American Leadership Center director?

Edward H. Sebesta, co-author of the forthcoming “Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction” (University of Texas Press), said Webb’s views express an unhealthy regard for a political system that propped up and defended slavery.

His book, in fact, will cite Webb as an example of the mainstreaming of neo-Confederacy ideas into politics, said Sebesta, a widely cited independent historical researcher and author of the Anti-Neo-Confederate blog.

“I don’t think people have thought through the implications of how his ideas have racial overtones, even if they are inadvertent,” Sebesta said.

Edward Sebesta? Might as well quote the SPLC.

34 posted on 06/27/2008 8:07:43 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; snuffy smiff; slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; Texas Mulerider; Oorang; ...
Dixie Ping

"Born Fighting" is on my bookshelf to read.

35 posted on 06/27/2008 8:08:56 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: StoneWall Brigade
DEO VINDICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was the slogan of the terrorist movement that Jefferson Davis wanted to initiate after Appomattox.

Robert E. Lee surrendered precisely because he rejected that entire concept as beneath the dignity of Southern manhood. I have no doubt that Thomas J. Jackson would have concurred with his commander's assessment, had he lived.

36 posted on 06/27/2008 8:13:03 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: cowboyway
Wow...so the Union was like the Nazis?

As for it being a stupid reply, it is a common source of ribbing between myself and my Reb friends, and I would wager a fairly normal reponse between people on opposite sides discussing the topic. Lighthearted and in good fun - if you are still fighting the war, that is not something I should be expected to know.

37 posted on 06/27/2008 8:13:27 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: cowboyway
You're probably right because Lincoln would have turned our constitutional representative republic on its head............

How do you even figure?

38 posted on 06/27/2008 8:14:07 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: cowboyway
They'll bury this stuff on Webb. Which actually is a good thing, because if he is the nominee then Democrats will NEVER be able to play the "Confederate card" against Republicans again.

What I want to know is how they will bury this:

James Webb: Women Can't Fight

39 posted on 06/27/2008 8:17:31 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Obama is a Neocommunist)
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To: WayneS
Now, by “their” logic, can you explain why the 2nd Amendment restrictions on the Federal Government’s ability to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms do NOT apply to the states?

Sometimes trying to understand their logic is like trying to understand women - no matter how hard you try, it just ain't gonna happen. Theoretically, it could be not incorporated because its exclusion would not "shock the conscience" and it is a prevelant amendment/article in many state Constitutions, thus it is de facto protected as it. I don't buy it, but that is the only way I believe you could argue it.

40 posted on 06/27/2008 8:19:58 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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