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Balkan Caves, Gorges Were Pre-Neanderthal Haven
Reuters ^ | 6-27-2008 | Ljilja Cvekic

Posted on 06/27/2008 2:45:44 PM PDT by blam

Balkan caves, gorges were pre-Neanderthal haven

Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:25am EDT
By Ljilja Cvekic

BELGRADE (Reuters Life!) - A fragment of a human jaw found in Serbia and believed to be up to 250,000 years old is helping anthropologists piece together the story of prehistoric human migration from Africa to Europe.

"This is the earliest evidence we have of humans in the area," Canada's Winnipeg University anthropology professor Mirjana Roksandic told Reuters.

The fragment of a lower jaw, complete with three teeth, was discovered in a small cave in the Sicevo gorge in south Serbia.

"It is a pre-Neanderthal jaw that we believe is between 130,000 to 250,000 years old," said Belgrade University archaeology professor Dusan Mihailovic, head of the team studying the jaw.

"It could help us explain better the human evolution and implications of movements of the population and culture across a large territory," he said.

Anthropologists believe Africa was the birthplace of man, who then migrated northwards into the Middle East and Europe, possibly in reaction to climate changes.

During the periodic ice ages northern Europe would have been covered in ice, so the theory is these early humans stayed in the easier climate of southern Europe.

The jaw might belong to homo erectus, the first type of human to walk upright, who appeared in Africa 1.8 million years ago and was the precursor of both modern man, or homo sapiens, and the separate species of Neanderthal man.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balkan; caves; dmanisi; godsgravesglyphs; haven; homoerectus; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; origin; origins

1 posted on 06/27/2008 2:45:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.


2 posted on 06/27/2008 2:47:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

3 posted on 06/27/2008 2:48:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

130,000+ years to evolve and the Balkans region is still a disaster......


4 posted on 06/27/2008 2:50:54 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: blam

The jaw might belong to homo erectus, the first type of human to walk upright, who appeared in Africa 1.8 million years ago and was the precursor of both modern man, or homo sapiens, and the separate species of Neanderthal man.


Are we all descended from Homo Erectus?

Also, I thought there was a thread out here recently about Neanderthals interbreeding with Homo Sapiens, and Homo Sapiens eventually took over the human population.


5 posted on 06/27/2008 2:51:12 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: blam
Stranger In A New Land (Archaeology)

Image: JOHN GURCHE PORTRAIT OF A PIONEER With a brain half the size of a modern one and a brow reminiscent of Homo habilis, this hominid is one of the most primitive members of our genus on record. Paleoartist John Gurche reconstructed this 1.75-million-year-old explorer from a nearly complete teenage H. erectus skull and associated mandible found in Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. The background figures derive from two partial crania recovered at the site.

6 posted on 06/27/2008 2:53:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Anthropologists believe Africa was the birthplace of man, who then migrated northwards into the Middle East and Europe, possibly in reaction to climate changes.

Did they discover an SUV nearby too?

7 posted on 06/27/2008 2:55:52 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: blam
complete with three teeth

Knowing this, I'd say that this ancient human was from the Kensington section of Philadelphia..

8 posted on 06/27/2008 3:02:48 PM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: blam

And now they are the haven for Mohammedan thugs...at least the Neanderthals were peaceful.


9 posted on 06/27/2008 3:03:46 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"Are we all descended from Homo Erectus?"

I don't know. There are 23 species of humans, 22 of them are extinct.

Extinct Humans

10 posted on 06/27/2008 3:11:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Actually there are those that say we are Homo Erectus, the one full skeleton they have(a boy) is consistant with Homo Sapiens. Skull dimensions are slightly smaller inside but other wise quite close to homo sapiens, Of course they don’t like to admit it but there you go.


11 posted on 06/27/2008 3:22:34 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

The Neanderthal Theory

12 posted on 06/27/2008 3:30:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: calex59
Actually there are those that say we are Homo Erectus, the one full skeleton they have(a boy) is consistant with Homo Sapiens. Skull dimensions are slightly smaller inside but other wise quite close to homo sapiens, Of course they don’t like to admit it but there you go.

Could you provide a reference for this please?

13 posted on 06/27/2008 3:40:09 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Yes I could but since I have been drinking this afternoon I am fairly sure I couldn’t come up with it. Do a google on Homo Erectus, it will surely show you the boy. He was judged to be a modern human and would have obtained a full grown height of 6 feet.


14 posted on 06/27/2008 3:47:29 PM PDT by calex59
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Yes I could but since I have been drinking this afternoon I am fairly sure I couldn’t come up with it. Do a google on Homo Erectus, it will surely show you the boy. He was judged to be a modern human and would have obtained a full grown height of 6 feet.

I thought so. The specimen you are referring to is KNM-WT 15000 (Turkana Boy).

Here are three articles which prove more accurate data on the find:

KNM-WT 15000 (Turkana Boy)

Creationist Arguments: Homo erectus

Java Man and Turkana Boy

As usual the creationists have misrepresented the data.

15 posted on 06/27/2008 5:04:43 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam

From Neanderthals to jihadists. I see the Balkans have devolved....


16 posted on 06/27/2008 5:06:00 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: Coyoteman

Sorry, but the data does not prove Turkana boy is not Homo Sapiens. It merely proves that evos will claim what they want and to he** with the evidence.


17 posted on 06/27/2008 6:14:32 PM PDT by calex59
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Sorry, but the data does not prove Turkana boy is not Homo Sapiens. It merely proves that evos will claim what they want and to he** with the evidence.

Given a choice between scientists who have studied the data for decades vs. creationists who have ignored and denied the data, I'll go with the scientists.

Creationists' belief has interfered with their ability to learn and to judge the data.

By the way, I have seen a lot of the data. I studied the subject in grad school. I handled the casts, generally for hours, I studied anatomy and osteology and a lot of related subjects.

That sure beats staying at a Holiday Inn Express and reading a creationist website.

18 posted on 06/27/2008 6:27:34 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Right, so you are assuming I have never done any of those things? Nice. You are a typical liberal, and evo. You assume you have all the knowledge and no one else does. Don’t ask me what my credentials are just assume they mean nothing. What an a**hat.


19 posted on 06/27/2008 7:02:03 PM PDT by calex59
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Right, so you are assuming I have never done any of those things? Nice. You are a typical liberal, and evo. You assume you have all the knowledge and no one else does. Don’t ask me what my credentials are just assume they mean nothing. What an a**hat.

Your argument is straight from the creationist talking points, and the creationist websites are notorious for misrepresentation when it comes to science.

You can see why I assume what I do. But if I'm wrong, please correct me.

20 posted on 06/27/2008 7:05:11 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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21 posted on 06/27/2008 7:17:02 PM PDT by blam
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

22 posted on 06/27/2008 10:36:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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23 posted on 06/27/2008 10:37:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Totally amazing the conclusions that can be drawn from a ‘A fragment of a human jaw found in Serbia’.


24 posted on 06/28/2008 5:00:15 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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Just Umma and me
And Mowgli makes three
We’re happy in
My Balkan Haven

A small crevasse
to hide my ass
when tigers loom
a little nest
to get some rest
from Serbian doom
we’re happy in
my Balkan haven


25 posted on 06/28/2008 8:13:26 AM PDT by wildbill ( FR---changing history by erasing it from memory.)
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