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Bush's Trumanesque moment
Toronto Sun ^ | Salim Mansur

Posted on 06/28/2008 5:00:09 AM PDT by Clive

The weekly Economist for June 12 placed Iraq on its cover once again. The timing of the cover story was significant. Nine days earlier the Democrats had settled on their presidential nominee -- Barack Hussein Obama -- for the November election.

The Iraq story had been downgraded by the mainstream media when the Democratic primary contest intensified and when the good news from Iraq, according to the Economist, was "far better than it was only a few months ago."

The good news from Iraq is indeed far better than merely good. The military surge President George W. Bush ordered in January 2007 under the command of Gen. David Petraeus has worked according to plan in restoring sufficient normalcy to Iraq, which had been keeling over in sectarian-ethnic violence and al-Qaida driven insurgency.

Against the prevailing consensus in Washington that found expression in the December 2006 report of the Iraq Study Group (ISG) -- a bipartisan commission co-chaired by former Republican secretary of state James A. Baker and former Democrat congressman Lee H. Hamilton -- Bush decided to put more troops on the ground to defeat the insurgency and strengthen the hands of the Iraqi government. The main recommendation of the ISG was phased military withdrawal from Iraq, and diplomatic engagement with Iran and Syria. This was a smokescreen for conceding Iraq as lost to the mayhem of the insurgency worsened by the Sunni-Shia sectarian conflict.

Democrats

In Washington the Democrats had invested in defeat. They couldn't have cared less what defeat meant for Iraqis so long as it brought humiliation for Bush.

Through all of 2006 the news from Iraq was ugly. It was against this background that Democrats, in midterm elections, took control of Congress promising an end to the war in Iraq.

But the decision of Bush to send more troops under the command of Petraeus displayed his Trumanesque character by refusing counsel for withdrawal despite his loss of domestic support.

The good news from Iraq, as the Economist reports, is the guns have begun to fall silent. American and Iraqi casualties are down sharply, the sectarian-ethnic conflict is mostly over, al-Qaida insurgents are on the run as Sunni Iraqis have turned against them, and the government of Iraqi Prime

Minister Nuri al-Maliki has increased confidence as Iraqi soldiers drove the Shia militia of Muqtada al-Sadr out of the port city of Basra and slums of Sadr City in the capital area of Baghdad.

An Iraq led by an elected government capable of securing its own interests invariably will alter the balance in favour of moderation in the hugely important Persian Gulf region. The effects of a strong and stable Iraq will be enormously positive globally. This will be the Bush legacy, as democratic Korea remains that of Truman, should the good news from Iraq become irreversible with the support of American troops.

The Iraq story, moreover, reveals that all the liberal left talk of solidarity with the poor and the oppressed of Third World countries is merely the empty noise of do-nothing hypocrites when confronted with blood thirsty thugs.

They will decry a Bush rather than advance the freedom of those beaten down by despots.

Iraqis bear witness to this ugly truth and that is why good news from Iraq goes mostly unreported.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; bushlegacy; geopolitics; greatestpresident; greatpresident; iraq; isg; truman

1 posted on 06/28/2008 5:00:09 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...

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2 posted on 06/28/2008 5:01:14 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

Amen


3 posted on 06/28/2008 5:06:53 AM PDT by Edgar3 (Steve Spurrier for President!)
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To: Clive

While it won’t restore the limbs and lives lost in vain, I’m glad President Bush finally got things right. His refusal of Sec. Rumsfeld’s resignation for so long, and his listening to political generals instead of reality being told by junior officers, have damaged this country immeasurably (devaluing our dollar as we print and borrow so much to pay the bills). What remains to be seen is whether we truly recover from it or if it will all be a blip.


4 posted on 06/28/2008 5:17:23 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Clive

“The situation in 1932 was due to the policies of the Republican Party control of the Government of the United States. The Republican Party, as I said a while ago, favors the privileged few and not the common everyday man. Ever since its inception, that party has been under the control of special privilege; and they have completely proved it in the 80th Congress. They proved it by the things they did to the people, and not for them. They proved it by the things they failed to do.”

-Harry Truman, Rat


5 posted on 06/28/2008 5:19:57 AM PDT by Impy (Hey Barack, you're ugly and your wife smells.)
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To: Gondring

The cost of the war pales compared to the bad loans/losses from the housing bubble. The dollar was devalued to save the banks from much of these losses, in affect spreading the pain from the banks to the population in general.


6 posted on 06/28/2008 5:32:00 AM PDT by DB
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To: Clive; All
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7 posted on 06/28/2008 5:37:37 AM PDT by musicman
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To: Jarhead2844; USMCWriter; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...
The Iraq story, moreover, reveals that all the liberal left talk of solidarity with the poor and the oppressed of Third World countries is merely the empty noise of do-nothing hypocrites when confronted with blood thirsty thugs.

They will decry a Bush rather than advance the freedom of those beaten down by despots.

Iraqis bear witness to this ugly truth and that is why good news from Iraq goes mostly unreported.


8 posted on 06/28/2008 5:51:38 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Gondring; Clive
I’m glad President Bush finally got things right. His refusal of Sec. Rumsfeld’s resignation for so long, and his listening to political generals instead of reality being told by junior officers, have damaged this country immeasurably

In other words, the normal, expected outcome of having a civilian commanding a vast military-industrial-political complex.

Everyone from the Joint Chiefs to the pfc on KP duty thinks they know how to win the war from their perspective. The CINC has to pick the right needle (Petreas) out of the haystack without setting the barn on fire.

9 posted on 06/28/2008 5:53:30 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Impy
The dims became what the pubbies were... and the pubbies became the Party of Americans... until Reagan retired. I'm not certain what the pubbie party is today... it ain't Conservative... I KNOW that!

LLS

10 posted on 06/28/2008 5:55:23 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... not communism!!!)
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To: Clive

Yea, but except for those who read the Internet, this article will not be seen by very many. Most older Americans do not use computers or read this stuff. They rely on the MSM for news in 15 second sound bites. Younger Americans do not read this kind of news. They are on the music, MTV, porn sites getting their kicks. So, only we few who read these sites will get too see this, thus it will not filter out too more than probably 15% of the population. As long as the MSM controls all the TV airways and we do not have a solid conservative TV station voice, this kind of good news gets out slowly or not at all. What we truly need is a conservative news channel, run by conservatives, with conservative only talking heads, to get the true and accurate news. But, of course, we will never have that. Old FOX news came the closest. Now it is more liberal than the old FOX was.


11 posted on 06/28/2008 6:16:35 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Congress in session, the White House occupied - Your freedom, liberty and rights are in jeopardy.)
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To: Clive

+1


12 posted on 06/28/2008 7:01:57 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("In Israel, the President hit the nail on the head. The nails are complaining loudly." - John Bolton)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The “pubbies” were never far-left slime.


13 posted on 06/28/2008 7:29:03 AM PDT by Impy (Hey Barack, you're ugly and your wife smells.)
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To: Impy
olympia snowe, chuck hagel, arlen spector, susan collins, michael bloomberg, lincoln chafee and a grand assortment of other rino trash... all leftists and all voting the majority of time with pelosi and reid. Your definition of far-left slime is dubious at best.

LLS

14 posted on 06/28/2008 7:38:25 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... not communism!!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I am speaking of the Republican party of the past which you claim the “dims became”.


15 posted on 06/28/2008 7:48:21 AM PDT by Impy (Hey Barack, you're ugly and your wife smells.)
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To: Clive
The Iraq story, moreover, reveals that all the liberal left talk of solidarity with the poor and the oppressed of Third World countries is merely the empty noise of do-nothing hypocrites when confronted with blood thirsty thugs.

This is the commiecRats in a nutshell.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

16 posted on 06/28/2008 8:05:28 AM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!!)
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To: Gondring

Twas ever thus. We didn’t know of problems with the prosecution of WWII for many years. There are always problems ‘on the ground’ and Iraq is no exception. Thank goodness the President was strong enough to buck the onslaught from the media, and even some conservatives, to do what he knew was the right thing. He grieves for every soldier lost,and has met with the families of most of them. He visits those who have been severely injured and are at DC area hospitals, and has had quite a number of soldiers who are recovering from their injuries to the White House. No one can fault him for his treatment of the troops.


17 posted on 06/28/2008 8:28:16 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Impy

Agreed.

LLS


18 posted on 06/28/2008 8:53:58 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... not communism!!!)
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To: Gondring; All

“I’m glad President Bush finally got things right.”

One of the things that were done right is to provide small injections of funds for locally relevant and handled projects. I worked for 3 years as the administrative secretary for something called Small and Impact Projects at an NGO. These were some 600 projects ranging from $100 to $10,000 around 1965, which were developed by the people themselves and funded by us. This is far different from having major corporations like Halliburton or Bectel come in throwing huge amounts of money around that can so easily disappear into the wrong hands.

Another experience I had back then was when taking an official from a small African country to the Science and Technology Museum. We were going through the 19th Century farming exhibit and he became very excited. He pointed to various nonmechanized farm implements and said “This is what we need in my country. These are things our own blacksmiths could make and our people can easily use and repair.” Of course, this would not make the big farm implement companies happy. I was surprised to see all the huge billboard ads for such companies when I went to Nicaragua in 1964. This, of course, was before the dictator Somoza was overthrown. Incidentally, this was partly because after the terrible earthquake they had in Managua, his monopoly cement company was profiteering like mad on the devastated peoples need to rebuild.


19 posted on 06/28/2008 9:08:30 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: DB
The cost of the war pales compared to the bad loans/losses from the housing bubble. The dollar was devalued to save the banks from much of these losses, in affect spreading the pain from the banks to the population in general.

Actually, if you think the housing bubble costs are bad, Iraq spending is FAR greater than the bank losses and the Fed bailout, etc.

When the country's largest subprime lender, New Century Financial, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy (April 2007), its total liabilities could have been paid off with less than a day of Iraq costs.

King George W. Pyrrhus has bought us a grand victory, indeed! With our money, of couse...)

Personally, I think most Americans would want their $20,000 back.

20 posted on 06/28/2008 10:27:34 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Toronto Sun


21 posted on 06/28/2008 10:29:27 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: freema

Seems like the liberal world is not being fair minded./sarc


22 posted on 06/28/2008 10:47:21 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
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To: gleeaikin
One of the things that were done right is to provide small injections of funds for locally relevant and handled projects.

The administration of this has been terribly wrong in Iraq, at least where the US military is handling things. The military folks handling this stuff are soldiers, not contractors, and they evidently get no training in contract administration, etc. Lots of money is being handed out, and I suspect many of those dollars are going into funding the fight against us!

A few examples from what my brother found...

He received a request from a village for a wad-o-dough (your $$$ and mine) to paint their town building(s). My brother said it was a lot of money, and rather than give the cash, he could provide paint and brushes for them to do it (they were sitting around 'unemployed'). "Oh, no, they said...we need cash...we have to hire painters from another village, since we don't know how to paint..." My brother said that he'd show them himself how to paint, but suddenly the need for painting wasn't so urgent!

He often received requests for funding on projects that we'd already funded multiple times. The Iraqis were intentionally sabotaging things so they could get the $$$ to do repairs. Rather than maintain something, they benefited more by abusing the infrastructure, since they would get more $$$.

“This is what we need in my country. These are things our own blacksmiths could make and our people can easily use and repair.”

Yes, that's a classic story that's often used as an example. If encountered it myself in some minor volunteer consulting I've done...I once spec'd out some low-maintenance pumps for a water-supply project in Africa, but found that they were replaced by higher-tech ones...nice equipment, but I knew it wouldn't last without trained maintenace folks. Why? Because the latter company was a sponsor of this. And I can't wholly fault the administrators for having to go where they were being given equipment, but it sure isn't the best situation.

23 posted on 06/28/2008 10:54:09 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: musicman

Perfect. If only the RNC and ole John would tap into this resentment of the MSM, resentment of the socialist pacifism of The Messiah, resentment of the fact that English should be our national language, resentment over the fact that our borders are sieves for illegals, they might actually stop the bleeding in Congressional elections.


24 posted on 06/28/2008 11:10:08 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: SuziQ
Twas ever thus. We didn’t know of problems with the prosecution of WWII for many years. There are always problems ‘on the ground’ and Iraq is no exception.

If things had been botched as badly as was done for Iraq, we'd have landed at Normandy, liberated Paris, and then been pushed back into the sea before having to "surge" onto the Continent again.

Of course there are setbacks, but we should expect the lesson to be learned a bit more quickly, especially when even Marine generals and liberals alike were pointing out how the mission had changed--and being slapped down for it.

Thank goodness the President was strong enough to buck the onslaught from the media, and even some conservatives, to do what he knew was the right thing.

It's easy to "to the right thing" with other peoples' money. Typical liberal M.O..

25 posted on 06/28/2008 11:17:02 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: phillyfanatic

I agree!! They still have time, although not very much.


26 posted on 06/28/2008 11:25:24 AM PDT by musicman
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To: Clive

Exactly


27 posted on 06/28/2008 11:53:54 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Gondring

Very short term thinking. Yes, it cost a lot, and treasure is the least of it. What you and many others, including just about all libdims, fail to grasp is what leaving Saddam in power in the ME would have eventually cost us. Likewise you fail to grasp the long term benefits a stable Iraq will bring to us and the rest of the world. I know, those can’t be measured, but only a BDS suffering fool can’t see these ramifications of a successful conclusion to Iraq. Heck, even a far left rag like the Toronto Star gets this. Or did you not bother to read the article?


28 posted on 06/28/2008 11:59:57 AM PDT by piytar
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To: piytar

um, Sun not Star...


29 posted on 06/28/2008 12:02:06 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Gondring

Oh Gawd, you’re Nodrog, aren’t you? I thought I recognized that sanctimonious pseudo-intellectual tone. We got a TROLL of the first order here, freepers.

BTW, Nodrog, your example disproves you thesis, namely that soldiers cannot handle oversight of the small projects because they allegedly aren’t trained. First, seems the soldier did just fine at turning down bogus requests. Second, they are trained. The army trains its people on just about everything they do. Sheesh.


30 posted on 06/28/2008 12:08:39 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Clive

I defy anyone to say we are not a lot better off and safer with Hussein and his sons dead, his wmd factories and ambitions destroyed, and Al-Qaeda shattered and in bad reputation in much of the Arab world. Plus we now have the first functioning, democratic Arab state. Shaky or not, it’s the first. That is the truth.


31 posted on 06/28/2008 12:57:04 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Gondring

The housing bubble is about 10 times greater (10 trillion dollars plus) than the cost of the Iraq war. You aren’t even close.

The Iraq war cost the average taxpayer about $1400 a year. Pretty cheap all things considered.


32 posted on 06/28/2008 3:14:48 PM PDT by DB
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To: Gondring

To get funding for the war effort Bush had to deal with pork barreling spending in the House and Senate.

Pelosi has interest in pork barreling spending.
Some defense contracts are in San Francisco.

Teddy Kennedy has interest in pork barreling spending.
Some of our body armor comes from Massachusetts.

All around the country every congressman and senator wanted some that pork.


33 posted on 06/28/2008 9:18:08 PM PDT by Milligan (Gadfly R Us)
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To: Gondring
If things had been botched as badly as was done for Iraq, we'd have landed at Normandy, liberated Paris, and then been pushed back into the sea before having to "surge" onto the Continent again.

That has to be one of the most asinine statements anyone has ever made on FreeRepublic.

34 posted on 06/29/2008 12:29:10 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: sam_paine
Another point that's usually missed is defeating insurgents takes time. Until they feel beaten they'll keep fighting and that takes time. Most of the rifles, explosives and fighters are still in place in Iraqi. The only thing that has really changed is the enemies perception that we would leave if they got enough time on CNN by killing our soldiers.
35 posted on 06/29/2008 5:31:57 AM PDT by Red Dog #1 (Up is down and down is up...)
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To: driftless2
Don't forget we pretty much have Iran surrounded now. That's why they're causing so much trouble now.
36 posted on 06/29/2008 5:33:39 AM PDT by Red Dog #1 (Up is down and down is up...)
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To: piasa

I guess a fairer statement would have involved the pushback occurring even after taking Berlin.


37 posted on 06/29/2008 9:06:40 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: piytar
Oh Gawd, you’re Nodrog, aren’t you?

What an odd diety to whom you pray!

I thought I recognized that sanctimonious pseudo-intellectual tone.

You thinking isn't very accurate...thanks for the warning.

We got a TROLL of the first order here, freepers.

Hmmm...I didn't troll for your comment. Would have been fine if you hadn't responded at all.

BTW, Nodrog,

Oh, I get it...you're dyslexic, and Nodrog seems a bit like Gondring. Well, note that Nodrog is Gordon backwards, and Gondring backwards would be Gnirdnog. Are you RatYip by any chance?

Plus, I believe Nodrog was a member of LGF, no? Well, I'm not over there...and I am not Nodrog.

38 posted on 06/29/2008 9:14:33 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Milligan

So I have UNDERestimated the cost of the Iraq war...yes...but adding in the costs from extra pork-barrel spendig would be difficult to track. Besides, it’s not like President Bush was maintaining any fiscal restraint before that point!


39 posted on 06/29/2008 9:15:58 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

It should of been important for those Republicans in the House and Senate to show some restraint too.


40 posted on 06/29/2008 11:16:54 AM PDT by Milligan (Gadfly R Us)
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To: Red Dog #1
Another point that's usually missed is defeating insurgents takes time.

...but, but,,there ARE NO INSURGENTS! Just ask Sec. Rumsfeld. Or Marine (Four-Star) General Peter Pace, who was slapped down by Sec. Rumsfeld for daring to imply such. (He also, against Sec. Rumsfeld, insisted that US Marines act in accordance with their orders and stop torture when they saw it occurring.)

41 posted on 06/29/2008 11:22:29 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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