Skip to comments.As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount
Posted on 06/28/2008 1:19:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school."
So where is that birth certificate? It got lost? The dog ate it? No matter. Barack Obama or an immediate family member can plunk down $10 ($11.50 if he orders online) and have Hawaii mail a certified document to him within a week or two. But more than two weeks have passed since the Obama campaign adopted the suspect, uncertified image of a purported birth document published by a left-wing blog Daily Kos, and nothing certified and nothing on paper has since has been forthcoming. Nor has there been any official comment about the issue from the campaign. They may cling to the hope -- however audacious -- that the one issue that could disqualify their man constitutionally from gaining the presidency will just go away.
Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times, and a reporter for the paper's "Politifact" blog, said that she has been seeking the birth certificate "for months." She was frustrated: "Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled."
Finally, the campaign released the image (resembling the one at the top of this article). Hollyfield e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us. Then the firestorm started.
Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days. She could not refer to Obama's specific case, she said, because no one but an authorized family member can do so. But she did confirm that a valid "certification of live birth" would need to have an embossed seal and signature and that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification.
In our previous article on this subject we published an example of a certified birth certificate of another Hawaiian citizen, Patricia DeCosta, reproduced below. The stamp and signature are reversed because the embossing is done from the back as per law, as Okubo noted is required by law.
Speaking to National Review Online, Okubo admitted that the Obama image lacked those required features but thought that perhaps the embossing was applied too lightly.
Maybe so, but all the certificates we have seen have the embossed imprint clearly visible, as well as horizontal fold marks.
There's only one way for Obama to show he's a natural born citizen eligible to be President: produce the paper proof.
We got an email yesterday from Bryan Suits who has a radio show on KFI Los Angeles. He writes: "I have just received my State of Hawaii certified birth certificate for my 1964 debut on the planet earth. It looks....nothing like Obama's. We've scanned it at 72dpi, 300dpi. Nuthin. We can't make the emboss disappear. Also, we can't make THE FOLDS disappear!! How did FightTheSmears do it?
I got curious when I compared his (with the 2007 date bleed) to my old beat-up1986 copy. then I went online on June 13 and ordered the thing. It got here yesterday tri-folded in a state of hawaii envelope. I called the State and asked if I could get an unfolded copy. No dice.
Hollyfield brings up other issues that her readers raised, although she does not address them or explain them [bracketed comments from Israel Insider]:
* Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature? [Required for validity]
* Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
* Isn't the date stamp bleeding through [in reverse] the back of the document [image] "June  2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
* There's no crease from being folded and mailed. [Hawaii requires printing and mailing, according to Okubo. Electronic images are never released, she assured us, nor are they valid.]
* It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
Hollyfield, frustrated by failing to access the required original, being refused by the Obama campaign, and finding only secondary documents from his subsequent career, asks what's "reasonable" and then claims that skeptics about Obama's published birth certificate believe that there's a conspiracy afoot:
Because if this document is forged, then they all are. If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
But Hollyfield is mistaken. There would be no need to invent a conspiracy among officials. All Obama needed to do would be to pass off an uncertified document as being certified. He may have done so unwittingly. Then the rest can follow without any need to conspire with any other official. They just take it on faith that the person is an American citizen.
They don't check about the embossing requirements of the State of the Hawaii. They believe Obama. Why should they doubt him, certainly after he becomes a lawyer and a state senator? The officials believe that the claimed document is authentic, and therefore issue other documents, based on the phony one, buried deep in the documentary chain. Unwitting or not, however, the high stakes for basing one's citizenship on an uncertified birth certificate must be pretty obvious to the campaign now.
Nothing else explains why Obama's campaign refused to release the original paper document, to make this distracting controversy go way. Because Hollyfield is right about one thing:
"If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud."
U.S. citizens who have written to Israel Insider or have posted on the Internet are not satisfied. Ordinary people are compelled to produce certified paper birth certificates to get a passport or a driver's license. Why, people are asking, doesn't Obama needed to show one to run for President?
In a follow-up contact by Hollyfield, Janice Okubo backtracked and qualified, pointing to the main issue that Israel Insider and others have brought into focus [our comments in brackets]:
"I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned the front -- you wouldn't see those things." [But of course, as in the DeCosta sample and others, you can see it clearly.]
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received. [Well, "identical" cannot be correct. Her name is not Obama, Her certificate number was not blacked out, and her certificate had the required embossed certification. So she can only be saying that the form looked the same, as she said to the National Review Online's Jim Geraghty.]
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? "When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it." [Except that she received only what was published on the Internet and circulated by email, and no "pieces of the embossed image" do come through that. We have published the highest resolution available and there is no trace of embossed seal or signature. Readers can see for themselves.]
Still, she acknowledges: "I don't know that it's possible for us "to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
And there you have it. Okubo can't "even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents" because she is not allowed access to Barack Obama's personal records. State law prohibits it.
Only Barack Obama (or another immediate family member) can authorize the release of the paper birth certificate, and submit it to objective analysis. He refuses to do so, even though it would seem to be in his interest to do so, to silence the skeptics, to show that they are wrong and he is right, to settle once and for all that he is a "natural born citizen" entitled by the US Constitution to be President of the United States. Yet there is only silence and inaction from Obama and his campaign on the subject. The palpably uncertified document remains online, with an explanation that refers only to the date of Hawaiian Statehood and an irrelevant passage from the Constitution.
Admitting her failure to obtain a demonstrably authentic birth document for the candidate, Hollyfield falls back at the end of her latest article into her reliance on the "straw man" of a conspiracy theory.
And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice [sic] of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.
Here Hollyfield is again incorrect. He didn't release a birth certificate, but an image of a purported "certification of live birth" that contains dubious features, lacks a traceable certificate number and -- as the Hawaiian state official Okubo admits -- lacks the stamp and signature required to make it valid. There need be no conspiracy by state or federal officials, just a willingness to believe Obama and accept an image that might look real but might not be.
If Obama is confident that he has a valid paper birth certificate from Hawaii, it is unreasonable for him to be withholding it.
But if he lacks a valid US birth certificate, and therefore cannot prove that he is an American citizen, then he would have good reason to put up a smokescreen and stonewall as long as he can. He would have good reason to try and slide by, as he may have done in the past, by putting up something that would pass as legitimate to the untrained and uninformed, as the one posted by the left-wing Daily Kos blog did, and which much of the media accepted as such, on his say-so.
Because if Obama lacks a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, it would mean that he has been living a lie his whole life: an illegal alien born outside the country who never obtained American citizenship, never became naturalized, and yet has been passing himself off as a citizen to the Illinois Bar, the Illinois Legislature, the US Senate and now, as a candidate for President.
To give Obama the benefit of the doubt: he may not know that he was not born in Hawaii. This may also be part of the family legend his mother communicated to him. As he himself admits in the first chapter of his Dreams, this would not be the only half-truth or outright life his white family told him. The chapter skips over completely anything about the circumstances of his birth or what preceded it: "First the baby arrived, eight pounds, two ounces, with 10 toes and 10 fingers and hungry for food." Subsequent reports have him born in two different hospitals.
Has Obama -- by the "white lie" of claiming to be born in Hawaii (whether the lie came from him or from his mother) and not Kenya or Canada as some have a suggested -- been misrepresenting himself -- wittingly or unwittingly -- to the people of his state and his nation all along?
If so, he would have every reason to put up a web site accusing his critics of conducting a smear campaign to avoid answering valid questions about his identity and background. He would have every reason to accuse political opponents of planning a campaign that raises these questions -- as if to ask whether a candidate for US President is in fact a US citizen is an illegitimate question.
To this day, the question about Obama's national origins remains unanswered, because the proof offered to date is inadequate, even according to the responsible Hawaiian state officials. The question is not whether he's black or white or somewhere in between. The question is not whether he's a Muslim or Christian, a Democrat or a Communist. The question is whether he can document that he was born in Hawaii and thus meet the requirements of the Constitution.
Yes, the question about whether the candidate is a natural born American citizen is legitimate. But is Obama?
If Obama lacks a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, he's not a natural born American. If he's not a natural born American, he can't be president. That's the law of the land.
If Obama is a legitimate candidate, a natural born citizen of the United States, he must prove it. If he is not, he must admit the truth, and accept the consequences. Now, not later.
This is a matter of US national security. Because there are people in this world who know the truth and can prove it. They would be able to hold that knowledge and proof over his head to make him do their bidding, or else expose him as a fraud, liar and, yes, an illegal alien. That is not a risk that it is reasonable for the American people to take.
Beyond the vulnerability to blackmail, there is a more fundamental question that must be asked if Obama is not forthcoming in producing the requisite documentation of his citizenship: does the American people really want to elect a man who would conceal his past and identity? Does it want to elect a man who would withhold the full truth and stonewall legitimate questions in his pursuit of the presidency, all the while claiming to be a victim and accusing others of fraud?
There's only one way for Obama to show he's a natural born citizen eligible to be President: produce the paper proof.
Whether from popular pressure or a legal challenge to his credentials, it is essential that Obama be forced to release for objective analysis the birth certificate he claimed in own book to possess.
Each American, at watershed moments in his or her life -- to get a driver's license, a marriage certificate, a passport -- must produce a paper birth certificate for official inspection and analysis. Now it's Obama's turn.
....”Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was “valid,” she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.” ....
It is not pretty certain that the KOS birth certificate is fake. Why hasn’t anyone been arrested for creating false identity documents? It’s it a crime to produce such faked documents?
Why is the certificate # blacked out?
African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?
Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?
Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?
Did Dan Blather's inept liar/forger, Mary Mapes create this bs?
Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?
Compare this doctored and phoney BC with a real one shown below:
We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of his birth certificate as seeing John Kerrys full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth.
forgot to ping you
The haloed one learned a great lesson that the Right will place its bets on peripheral issues, see Clinton and blue dress,and while these are judged by the public to be unimportant other, far more substantive issues pass unnoticed.
This green form is what is issued today. BUT, my original birth certificate from the Territory of Hawaii (1957) and I believe also into the 60s looks absolutely nothing like this green form. This form simply takes information on file and puts it on a new form, then certifies it by the registrar. The original is something completely different. I have both my adopted birth certificate and later filed one for live birth in Hawaii. Totally different from the modern form and it also has a lot more information like place of birth, doctor, etc.
I thought the real rub here was he did not want to highlight his middle name Hussein?!?
It's on Hillary's coffee table, right next to Kerry's Form 180.
I can imagine if I produced such a fake birth certificate to an U.S. boarder agent at the U.S.-Mexican border:
Possessing false identification documents: A maximum penalty of 15 years in federal prison without parole and a fine up to $250,000 on each count.
It is time for the Republicans to demand to see Obama’s birth certificate showing the embossed seal and signature.
What really burns me is that in order to get a Kentucky DL I had to submit my birth certificate, NOT a copy. And yet this clown can get elected President without producing a valid US birth certificate?
The people of this country (1/2 of them anyway) are quite willing to vote for an elitist jerk that refuses to do what all of the rest of us have to do in our daily lives.
Where are all of the lawyers now?
Maybe is we knew what a "KOS" was.
Where is it supposed that he was born that would invalidate him from POTUS?
Good point. Find a few hundred birth cetificates of blacks/negroes/negoid from Honolulu and see if they all read "African."
DAN RATHER WILL INVESTIGATE & REPORT!
The real issue here is not whether is is native born. The real question is why is he exempt from having to prove it. Why is he exempt from all of the laws that you and I must abide by as regards providing said proof for a variety of purposes?
Crap, if I had taken the document that he is presenting (to us) to get my Kentucky DL they would have refused to accept it.
He needs to be publicly called on it for that reason. He needs to be asked, “Senator Obama, what makes you exempt from the laws that other American citizens must abide by? Do you consider yourself better than the people you expect to vote for you”?
This reminds of all that Stalin did in convincing the Russian population that he was a Russian national, during his terror reign, when in fact he was a Georgian national.
Why doesn't Obama just authorize the release of a legitimate copy of his birth certificate and stop this groundswell of doubt? Unless there really is something to this that he does not want us to know about?
Some say Obama's ears grow larger, a tiny bit, every time he lies.
There’s one thing for damn sure. McCain will never ask about it.
No one, except for those posting these threads, are asking about the authencity of Obama’s birth certificate.
Ping. Read the original at the link. Interesting....
That sure doesn’t look like the real thing, does it?
why does Obama’s in the lower lefthand corner say OHBM 1.1 while the “real” other one say OHSM 1.1?
Personal I think the fonts match perfectly and the letter spacing & kerning match exactly. I think Obama’s is real.
Thanks for the ping SE Mom.
Well that pretty much lays out the issue, easily put to rest.
As I said before, it isn’t distracting people from considering other issues, but he needs to prove that he meets the Constitutional requirement.
Clearly, I’m not going to vote for a Marxist, racist, anti-semite congenital liar for president of the United States, but those who might have a right to know their guy at least meets the legal qualifications.
Being a natural born citizen is not just a “distraction,” to use one of bama’s favorite words.
NO! I'm getting a little sick and tired of people like you that think the rest of us can only do one things at a time.
This is not some idiotic diversion. A majority of Clinton supporters said in exit interviews that they would not vote for Obama because they just did not TRUST him. So if this persuit turns out some type of flat out fraud/deceit, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
My birth certificate is over 20 years old and the embossed seal has all but disappeared.
Not to push the lawsuit button too hastily, but has anyone considered litigating the issue of whether he can be on a state’s presidential ballot?
If Obama lacks a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, he's not a natural born American.
This is incorrect, as I've tried to show in several posts:
Somebody needs to tell the Israel Insider guy that Obama need not have been born in Hawaii in order to be natural-born American citizen. The fake-versus-genuine birth certificate issue is separate from the natural-born citizen issue.
Do you really think the haloed one would run knowing his effort could be destoyed in one instant if proof existed that he was not naturally born? Do you believe the Dems would allow him to do this knowing thattheir whole effort to capture power would collapse if such a fact were proven?And while we may be able to do more than one thing at a time the drive bys can’t, and if these questions are definitively disproved, belief in the next round of questions will decrease exponentially, no matter their importance or veracity.
Someone born in Hawaii who has a birthdate on or very near Osama’s should request a copy of his. Then compare what the state sends with what purports to be Osama’s on the web. Should be identical form - obviously, name, gender parents may and will differ - but the form should be the same.
And yet McCain is the man who would have us believe that he would "........ solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
If inddeed he’s not born here, wouldn’t this place him...in terms of qualification..on the same level as Arnold Schwarzenegger?
If he doesn't produce this thing, I expect someone is sure to do so.
The known real certificates use OHBM = OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING. This is the department that processes the requests for bitth certificates.
STATE OF HAWAII, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING
REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPY OF BIRTH RECORD