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Olbermann-O'Reilly feud spreads
variety.com ^ | 6/27/08 | By BRIAN LOWRY

Posted on 06/28/2008 8:32:12 PM PDT by paltz

After recapping the five-year-old Keith Olbermann-Bill O'Reilly feud that has spilled over to other assets of their respective employers GE and News Corp., the gossip site Gawker cheerily noted: "The real winners, as always: us!"

Indeed, anyone with a taste for mud wrestling or a pissing match has to enjoy the back-and-forth that has sprung from MSNBC host Olbermann's fateful decision to "punch up" at O'Reilly, Fox News' top-rated personality and his time-period rival. As for whether viewers or something so quaint as journalistic standards are "winning" in the eye-poking Three Stooges act that has ensued -- maybe not so much.

The convoluted affair has begun to resemble "Weapons of Mass Distraction," an HBO satire written by Larry Gelbart, in which two dueling media moguls bring their various holdings to bear in an escalating war to ruin each other. Yet what passed for satirical farce in 1997 seems almost restrained by comparison now.

For those who have somehow ignored this food fight, Olbermann started it by regularly jabbing at O'Reilly and naming him the "Worst Person in the World," a nightly segment on his MSNBC talker.

Thin-skinned in his best days, O'Reilly has grown especially sensitive to criticism (or as he's prone to call it, "vicious personal attacks," emanating from "vile left-wing smear sites") since the embarrassment of having a sexual-harassment suit filed against him in 2004. That irritation has rather transparently led him to retaliate against NBC higher-ups, including NBC News and even parent General Electric, going so far as to have a producer ambush GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt, stretching to accuse him of shady dealings with Iran and, this week, of personally despoiling the Hudson River.

All of this has been fodder for Olbermann, who has gone public with claims that O'Reilly and Fox News CEO Roger Ailes have threatened retaliation if NBC doesn't rein him in.

News Corp.'s assault, whether coordinated or not, is now happening. The company's New York Post Page Six column has joined the fray with several unflattering items about Olbermann. Those rumors are then parroted by Fox News' dimwitted morning show, "Fox & Friends," creating a circular echo chamber.

Olbermann responded, of course, by preemptively lashing out against the Post on air, calling Page Six "entirely disreputable" and crowning Richard Johnson and Paula Froelich, at separate moments, as the "Worst Person." Nor has Rupert Murdoch -- who Olbermann impersonates by affecting a snarling pirate voice -- escaped his wrath.

Murdoch was recently quoted noting that he fired Olbermann from Fox Sports several years ago, saying, "He's crazy." For her part, Froelich told Gawker that Olbermann is "as infantile as he is narcissistic."

Whichever side you're on, there's surely plenty of narcissism to go around here -- and it raises a few troubling issues for both.

Critics have long muttered about Murdoch -- more than any other mogul -- openly using his corporate assets to buttress each other and lash out at his foes. Even if it's not an orchestrated campaign -- as opposed to like-minded foot soldiers simply knowing what the boss wants -- the collaboration by Fox News and the Post in this particular endeavor has a bilious odor and doesn't provide much comfort to nervous journalists seeking reassurance that Murdoch won't lead his newest toy, the Wall Street Journal, stumbling down a similar credibility-sapping path.

NBC News, meanwhile, risks allowing its talk-driven personalities -- the mother's milk of cable, where loud and inexpensive is the formula -- to eclipse what little solid journalism the news division still generates. And while it was initially amusing watching Olbermann playfully try to nudge O'Reilly off the deep end, there's a significant difference between that and self-indulgently using his forum as a pulpit to bash enemies, which actually makes him more like his Fox counterpart than he would care to admit.

To borrow a phrase from his sports days, there really is such a thing as too "inside baseball."

Tellingly, Gelbart's movie incorporates a fictional blue-collar family who continue vegetating in front of the TV even as their lives become collateral damage in the moguls' war.

One is tempted to say "Grow up" and leave it at that, but the combatants should be cautious against becoming too embroiled in this private skirmish. Because whatever blows they land, both might look up between rounds to find that while the other guy is bloodied, the bored spectators have finally opted to do their vegetating elsewhere.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: feud; loofahboyvsgroucho; marines; newscorp; olbermann; oreilly

1 posted on 06/28/2008 8:32:12 PM PDT by paltz
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To: paltz

why’s bor have to take oberpuke out?

he’s going to implode on his own.


2 posted on 06/28/2008 8:40:40 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: paltz

O’Reilly recently attacked the Peabody awards...when he used to tout his own Peabody Awards...

Olbermann, whose show I’ve never watched all the way through, his normal pound for pound vitriol is enough to leave any sensible person to click over to the Food Channel ASAP.

These two, Olbermann with his 400,000, and O’Really with his 2 million are two egomainiacs who deserve no contemplation.

Plus Billy Boy attacked Freerepublic, who is left to speak in his defense other then his own bloviating self...


3 posted on 06/28/2008 8:42:56 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Is 51/ Heller vindicates GWB...armatismi is libertismi)
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To: paltz

Is Olberman that gay guy that was once on ESPN?


4 posted on 06/28/2008 8:44:20 PM PDT by maineman (BC Eagle fan)
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To: paltz
Hey, Olbermann, the costume designers for Guys and Dolls phoned. They want their tacky pin stripe suit back.
5 posted on 06/28/2008 8:44:46 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: ken21
If it wasn't for O’Reilly even giving his attacks the time of day, most people wouldn't know who Olbermann is. I would have never heard of Olbermann if it wasn't for FR.
6 posted on 06/28/2008 8:44:54 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: paltz

This article reads like Mr. Lowry is Olberdork’s gay lover. Geesh, talk about slanted.

Nevertheless, O’Reilly vs Olberdork is like Chuck Norris vs a punching bag. One has won his time slot 90 months in a row. The other is a blithering imbecile preaching to his minuscule choir of mutoids.


7 posted on 06/28/2008 8:45:51 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: paltz
Critics have long muttered about Murdoch -- more than any other mogul -- openly using his corporate assets to buttress each other and lash out at his foes.

Oh, please! The left just doesn't like having their monopoly on the news biz broken up. Olbermann is the only fool in this whole thing, shooting off his mouth like he is. O'Reilly has a right to defend himself from this nonsense.

8 posted on 06/28/2008 8:47:26 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (We need a new, conservative party to get back to a two-party system.)
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To: paltz
NBC News, meanwhile, risks allowing its talk-driven personalities -- the mother's milk of cable, where loud and inexpensive is the formula -- to eclipse what little solid journalism the news division still generates.

I will repeat that again.

what little solid journalism the news division still generates.

VARIETY speaking some truth.

9 posted on 06/28/2008 8:49:16 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: paltz

Boob O’Reilly used to have a gazillion supporters here on FR.

That is, until his hit piece on FR and ambush of Kristinn. I learned then that I could not trust O’Really. FR has been a bastion of conservative thought and political action for over a decade, even influencing the 2000 and 2004 elections, as well as the 1998 impeachment of the Sink Emperor, and when O’Reilly slimed us and made us the moral equivalent of the Daily Kos (ptui!) that was the last straw.

It’s all about Bill. Not about the little people. The folks. The children. It’s all about Bill. And Bill is intellectually vapid.

People like Laura Ingraham run mental rings around O’Really.
I can barely watch him any longer. He has become a legend in his own mind.

Olbermann on the other hand, is not worth the electrons to write about on FR. Somewhere there is a strait jacket with his name embroidered on it.


10 posted on 06/28/2008 8:54:03 PM PDT by exit82 (Are the environmentalists gonna pay my heating bill this winter?)
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To: padre35

For a big bully, O’reilly is pretty thin-skinned. Doesn’t he know these people do this so he’ll keep mentioning them? Laura Ingraham said it best when O’Reilly was asking her about a Professor nobody had heard of who was in the news for saying something dumb and topping it off by insulting O’Reilly...Laura said, He’s a nobody..he’s an ant, just flick him aside..he’s not worth your time.” I wish he would listen to her.


11 posted on 06/28/2008 9:28:47 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: paltz

Olbermann is “as infantile as he is narcissistic.”.....

In addition to being an all around the mulberry bush asshole!...


12 posted on 06/28/2008 9:40:46 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: exit82

O’Reilly would be more tolerable if he could rein in his psychoses a little.

What these guys should be doing is not take the feud so personally and use it to drive up ratings for both of them. But they’re both too neurotic to see that.


13 posted on 06/28/2008 9:42:05 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: paltz

They are both also rans.


14 posted on 06/28/2008 9:42:13 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: paltz

olberman is constantly attacking fox news and oreilly. He spends alot of time talking about other networks, but mostly fox. I also noticed other msnbc shows spend time attacking other shows on other networks instead of spending all of their time developing their own show. Another guy that does it, is that lawyer guy dan abrams. It’s a really strange way they run their programming. olberman is constantly with the angry rants that sounds like he’s been practicing reading it over and over but still needs a teleprompter. He also thinks he’s amusing, but he’s not.


15 posted on 06/28/2008 10:09:18 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: paltz

Hey BOR, got a loofa I could borrow?


16 posted on 06/28/2008 10:15:45 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: paltz
News Corp.'s assault, whether coordinated or not, is now happening. The company's New York Post Page Six column has joined the fray with several unflattering items about Olbermann. Those rumors are then parroted by Fox News' dimwitted morning show, "Fox & Friends," creating a circular echo chamber.

Not too much bias in this "article," is there?

17 posted on 06/28/2008 10:23:45 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: maineman

I think KO is actually that Lesco guy and he might have some free money for us all


18 posted on 06/28/2008 10:53:13 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: padre35
Plus Billy Boy attacked Freerepublic, who is left to speak in his defense other then his own bloviating self...

Comment:

Agreed, why should any FReeper have sympathy for a guy or in this case guys who tried to bring us down to the cesspool level of the liberal blogs.

In this case I choose to let Bill O;really fight his own battles against an obviously mental midget in Dolberman.

19 posted on 06/28/2008 11:15:58 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: paltz
They both suck.

BOR just sucks a little less.

20 posted on 06/28/2008 11:34:21 PM PDT by South40
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To: exit82
Boob O’Reilly used to have a gazillion supporters here on FR.
That is, until his hit piece on FR and ambush of Kristinn.

He lost me when he said the Swift Boat Vets had no right to be heard. And that was long before the hit piece and ambush on Kristinn.

He also supported the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty for ILLEGALS bill.

21 posted on 06/28/2008 11:37:34 PM PDT by South40
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He lost me when he said the Swift Boat Vets had no right to be heard. And that was long before the hit piece and ambush on Kristinn. He also supported the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty for ILLEGALS bill.

There are certain segments of his show (usually involving other people) that I still like, but it is a chore to sit through his rants on the "evil oil companies". He really demonstrates his ignorance when he starts the populist screed. Even a few recent 'polls' on his website went against him on the issue...you could almost hear the incredulity in his voice as he read the results.

The other thing that irriates me is his constant rump kissing of Obama, defending the indefensible to coerce the Obamessiah to honor his promise to appear on his show. I think Bill underestimates how easily 'the folks' can see through him.
22 posted on 06/28/2008 11:59:23 PM PDT by LostInBayport ("Anyone whose tax bill goes up feels like it's an increase." - Mass. Governor Deval Patrick, 2/28/07)
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To: OKIEDOC

Ehh, Billy Boy put himself against us based on serious utter rubbish.

If Billy Lad wishes to duke it out with Olbermann, well, he’s a grown lad...he can manage it his own self..


23 posted on 06/29/2008 12:02:52 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Is 51/ Heller vindicates GWB...armatismi is libertismi)
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To: padre35
I was going to reply in BOR's defense but after his bloviating speech about hate in blogs and trying to put FR in that category, he can kiss it. Thanks Kristinn for trying to defend us but bill never let him speak.
24 posted on 06/29/2008 12:11:16 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: padre35
O’Really certainly is a pompously arced bully to those he feels superior.

Have you noticed that when he has some good looking babe on his show how he fawns over the ladies.

I think he might just be a frustrated old fart thinking hes still got lots of vim and vinegar while all the babes are looking for nothing more in a man, MONEY....

25 posted on 06/29/2008 12:57:42 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: paltz

Frankly, they’re both load mouthed clowns.


26 posted on 06/29/2008 3:53:25 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: paltz
"Worst Person in the World Award"?

My, how original and mature. This guy must be a genius. What's next, "big fat liar award"?

27 posted on 06/29/2008 5:39:10 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: paltz

The enemy of my enemy is my friend—**** o’pinhead!


28 posted on 06/29/2008 6:00:13 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: South40

Good point about being against the Swiftboat Vets.I had forgotten about that.

A point of view he shared with President Bush, Karl Rove and John McCain. Thanks to the Swifties, President Bush got four more years in the White House, not Karl Rove.


29 posted on 06/29/2008 6:02:15 AM PDT by exit82 (Are the environmentalists gonna pay my heating bill this winter?)
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To: paltz

Both of ‘em are jerks, but this pro-Olbermann puff piece is so obviously slanted in his favor that, if you had not watched both of them, you’d think that Olbermann was pretty much in control of his intellect.

I reality O’Reilly has presence in his demeanor while Olbermann more or less reminds me of the kid in high school that was always getting beat up in the locker room and never learned to just shut his obnoxious mouth.


30 posted on 06/29/2008 6:11:50 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: ken21

Don’t really care for either of them. Were it not for guests I wouldn’t tune in BO. At least Bill usually has guests representing both sides. Keith however always seems to invite only those who agree with him. I find I’m flipping often to CNN now and CNN headline news. Compared to some of the Fox and MSNBC shows I’m finding as much balance from them.


31 posted on 06/29/2008 8:16:25 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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