A Birth Certificate Could Doom Obama

America Talks ^ | 06/29/08 | David Zublick

[AmericaTalks]

Barack Obama is on fire. The presumptive democratic nominee for president has thoroughly defeated Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, the two of them have apparently kissed and made up, she's now on the campaign trail hawking his wares, and all is right with the world as far as the Democratic National Committee is concerned. All polls seem to indicate that Obama is beating his republican rival John McCain. McCain himself has indicated that he is the underdog in this race, and has a lot of work to do between now and November. Obama is the oncoming juggernaut that cannot be stopped.

Hold the phone.

Obama may not even be qualified to run for president. And I don't mean because of his lack of experience in any of the areas that the commander-in-chief and the leader of the free world has to deal with. No, I mean he may not meet constitutional requirements to run for the highest office in the land.

You see my friends, there is a little question of his citizenship. And Obama may be covering up the truth.

For several weeks now, the Internet has been abuzz with reports that Obama may not meet the citizenship requirements as laid out in the United States Constitution. Those requirements state the a candidate must be a natural born citizen. Obama's status has come into question. Supposedly, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under first section of the 14th amendment.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside...."

Case closed. But wait.

Some questions have arisen about whether there is proof that Obama was really born in Hawaii in 1961, as well as the legal status of his mother at that time, and what is exactly on his original birth certificate...which by the way, may not even exist. When bloggers brought Obama's citizenship into question, the Daily Kos published what purported to be the original State of Hawaii birth certificate. The problem is...the document appears to be a fake, and a poorly executed one at that. Examination of this document indicates it has been modified with Photoshop or other image-editing software, rendering it a forgery.

This could prove very troubling for the Obama campaign for a number of different reasons. If a true certificate of live birth cannot be produced to prove that Obama is a natural born citizen rather than a naturalized citizen, one would have to question whether Obama is qualified under the constitution to run for president.

So why wouldn't the Obama campaign just lay all of this suspicion to rest by producing the real documentation rather than this cheap imitation which doesn't cut muster? Could it be that The father listed on the birth certificate is not Barack Hussein Obama? Or the father's race is listed as something other than African, perhaps Muslim or Arab? Or the mother was no longer at that time an American citizen? Or the child's name is not listed as Barack Hussein Obama II?

Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot blog of the National Review, cited the "rumor" that Obama was born not within the United States, but elsewhere, possibly Kenya.

Geraghty stated that "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen -- because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

He then points out that Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

If the rumors that Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen are true, it would stop the campaign in its tracks. So far, no major news organization appears to be following this important story. The blogosphere appears to be the only quadrant of the journalistic universe that is attempting to bring this story to the forefront.

And this most recent development regarding the fake documentation published by the Daily Kos and touted by the Obama campaign as enough evidence to lay these "smear rumors" to rest only adds to the mystery.

Someone had better pick up the ball on this story and run with it.

If Obama is truly eligible under our constitution to run for president, then let's get the proof out there and move on to finding other ways to prevent Obama from being elected. But if this story has legs, let's expose it and stop Obama dead in his tracks.

Now.

[Radl]

Can you imagine what that the cities of this country would look like the day after they announce Obama cannot run for president?

[Jet Jaguar]

BTTT

[8mmMauser]

Will facts stop the onward march of Obamunism? They look like they are coated with a space age teflon. Hope it can be breached.

[pointsal]

Guess someone needs to have Obama’s granny give everyone an update....

[moose2004]

This issue of Obama’s “birth certificate” reminds me of the way the Dan Rather/Mary Mapes story evolved, interesting

[ncfool]

Have you ever heard of October Surprise. Let’s hope its being held back by the GOP sot it an issue after the democratic convention.

I bet there are many issues waiting to be released after he becomes King at the rat convention.

Many hours and days tracing his history are waiting to be released after the rats bless his nomination.

[goldstategop]

I think Obama has to address the question by releasing all relevant documentation and answering questions surrounding his birth truthfully and without evasion. Its really a test of character. If he's not prepared to do that - he has no business asking the American people to entrust him with the nation's highest office.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[ken21]

even if he were born in kenya,

his mother was a u.s. citizen,

so, he’s a u.s. citizen.

if there were anything here, the clintons would have pursued it.

[Friendofgeorge]

I am a Christian, but am struggling with bad feelings towards Obama. I am having to ask forgiveness on a daily bases because everytime I see or hear him, my blood begins to boil.

I find myself despising him because he is such a bad dude! He stands for everything that THE LORD is against! Obama is a liar and a phony!

Yet Christians are not supposed to hate, so I find that is a struggle I am having.

God Bless Obama....that is hard to say!

[Don Corleone]

Can you imagine what that the cities of this country would look like the day after they announce Obama cannot run for president?

Just like they look today except flooded with HILLARY signs!

[moose2004]

Probably something like this:

http://starbulletin.com/96/08/23/news/demb.gif

http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/agentsheets/New-Vista/chicago68/pictures/chicago4.gif

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=334&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=3196976

[AmericaUnited]

Can you imagine what that the cities of this country would look like the day after they announce Obama cannot run for president?

Yes, the same way Detroit looked that day after the Pistons won the championship :)

[Dutch Boy]

I think you are correct. I also wonder if this isn’t playing in the back of Hillary’s mind and why she only suspended her campaign.

[goldstategop]

Maybe they didn't dig deep enough. If Obama is a naturalized citizen, he's constitutionally ineligible for the Presidency. There's a way to stop the buzz: just tell the truth. Or is Obama contemplating throwing his own campaign under the bus?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Dr. Frank fan]

Can you imagine what that the cities of this country would look like the day after they announce Obama cannot run for president?

um, pretty much the same except for the newspapers in the newspaper-vending machines will have something about 'Hillary Clinton Steps Forward' in their headlines. And everyone in cities will just vote for her instead. Problem solved.

[Loyal Buckeye]

if there were anything here, the clintons would have pursued it.

They still have time.

;-)

[silverleaf]

It is a simple thing to get a true copy of one’s birth certificate.

He needed one to get a passport.

Surely his entire public life is not based on a lie about his birth?

The longer Obama fails to put an end ot the rumors by simply producing a bona fide birth certfificate, the more alarming the rumors become. So no, it’s not a witch hunt to expect him end this now.

[alice_in_bubbaland]

Who is responsible for checking that all presidential candidates are natural born citizens?

[T.L.Sink]

Very interesting possibility. However, it strikes me that there should be (in ordinary circumstances) many other ways to document a birth in Hawaii. For example, what about hospital records, friends or associates who knew and saw his mother at the time, baptismal certificates, etc. Are the circumstances of his birth a completely blank slate? Most unusual!

[library user]

if there were anything here, the clintons would have pursued it.

Arkancide may be easier, though. Less research.

[library user]

For example, what about hospital records, friends or associates who knew and saw his mother at the time, baptismal certificates, etc.

That was 47 years ago. A lot of these folks are probably dead now or at least in their 70s, 80s or older.

[goldstategop]

From what we saw during the primaries, the truth is how little we really know about Obama: his birth, his upbringing, his education, where and how he met his wife and of course, his core beliefs. Its alarming how much we really don't know about this man who wants to be our next President.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Grampa Dave]

Why is the certificate # blacked out?

African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?

Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?

Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?

Did Dan Blather's liar, Mary Mapes create this bs?

Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?

Compare this doctored and phoney BC with a real one shown below:

Hey Obami, man of undocumented place of birth. You can settle this very quickly. Just authorize the officials in Hawaii to send official copies of your birth certificate to Jim Robinson and other conservative sites. Then, they can post the real authorized copies for everyone to see. We will take up a collection to pay for the authorized copy and Fed Ex overnight delivery to Jim Robinson/Free Republic so you will not have to worry about the cost.

Reality break: We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of Obami's birth certificate as seeing John Kerry’s full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth place. The lying spinning MSM will continue to cover for Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas.

[ken21]

according to an article in the paper

bill clinton hasn’t calmed down yet over his wife’s loss.

that’s curious. he’s the one that seemed to undermine her candidacy.

[goldstategop]

Depending on how this all plays out, history might or might not come down with Obama losing his dream for a want of a birth certificate. Very Richard III and his horse!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Bean Counter]

Rush Limbaugh addressed issues like this on Friday, when he raised hell about the Media speculating about what “might be” in ten years (re: the polar icecaps might melt...) and then calling it “News”.

This is not news. This is more speculation on this subject, and there is no telling what the real story is anymore.

Just between us Freepers, what is fact and what is fiction surrounding Obama’s birth certificate? Is he qualified, or is he not? Is this just a bunch of hot air, or is there really something to this??

[milwguy]

Do you even read the story before commenting on it. The law at the time of Obama’s birth is quite clear. “If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen — because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for ‘10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.’”

So if Obama was born OUTSIDE the USA, he is not eligible to be President of the US, according to the law in place at the time of his birth. Congress could pass legislation between now and the election to allow him to be President, but if he can’t produce a birth certificate that shows he was legally born a US citizen, then his campaign is toast. Even the MSM can’t cover this up.

You think the 527 Swiftboat ad was a killer for Kerry, imagine what a 527 could do with this. Show Obama’s official smears website parroting a FAKE Certification of Live Birth, and then asking voters why Obama will not release his real birth certificate? Now maybe Obama has a real birth certificate and he is trying to reverse mear the opposition, and will then produce it. I am betting that is not the case.

[Radl]

I would think that those black voters who are anxiously waiting for Obama to take over will make the cities look somewhat like Los Angelus when Rodney got his whuppin.

[Boundless]

> so, he’s a u.s. citizen.

So is Ahnold, but he can’t be president for the same reason.
You have to be “natural born”, which has a specific legal
definition (which has changed over time).

> if there were anything here, the clintons would
> have pursued it.

Patience, Grasshopper.
Her Heinous stands ready to help the DNC with any
surprise Constitutional problems, but they don’t
want the actual exposing of it traced to them.
Some of the users keeping this alive on FR could
be HRC plants.

There are all sorts of reasons why BHO2 could be
pulling out the JFK2 SF180 playbook on this, ranging
from embarrassing fact to nomination-fatal fact.

[norwaypinesavage]

I wonder what his passport says?

[ncfool]

What baptism are you talking about. He has never been baptised has he?

Where it the proof he has.

[silverleaf]

Who is responsible for checking that all presidential candidates are natural born citizens?

ultimately, we the people are responsible for our own government and for determining the qualifications and qualities of the people we elect

[ken21]

i’m not a lawyer.

but his mo’ was an american citizen,

so wherever she dropped him off—kenya, indonesia, etc.—

doesn’t matter.

or, is there something that i don’t know?

[HangnJudge]

God Bless Obama....that is hard to say!

<< Luke 6 >>
New American Standard Bible

27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies,
do good to those who hate you,
28 bless those who curse you,
pray for those who mistreat you.
29 “Whoever hits you on the cheek,
offer him the other also;
and whoever takes away your coat,
do not withhold your shirt from him either.

[ken21]

but wasn’t mccain born in panama?

[chainsaw]

Where may a ligit copy of a 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate be see ?

[T.L.Sink]

And what little we do know is all BAD. From Wright to Rezko and Bill Ayers to his far left voting record. But I’d still be surprised if he couldn’t document the place of his own birth!

[Fishrrman]

“if there were anything here, the clintons would have pursued it.”

Your point is well taken. But...

Wasn’t the Clinton camp rumored to have explosive information regarding Obama - that they never chose to use?

Could this be it?

- John

[Boundless]

> but wasn’t mccain born in panama?

Reportedly on a US military base, which has been held
to qualify as “US soil” for “natural born” purposes.

[alice_in_bubbaland]

What about the constitutional requirements?

[wequalswinner]

Quit being so hard on yourself, your anger is righteous. Hate is a very strong word my friend, being slung around like “racism”, “phobia”, etc. As a Christian you are allowed to have feelings and a spirited debate, to even call into question a man’s fitness before God. Especially when it’s demonstrated that this person is a liar.

Best thing to do to assuage your conscience is to pray for this man, that he might see his error. Because in 100 years all of us will by then have been before the judgement seat of God, and I wouldn’t wish hell on anyone. As Christians we’re supposed to pray for the salvation of all. THAT is all.

Right now, we’re trying to elect a president. Quit beating yourself up.

[Jim Noble]

because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

I do not believe that law was intended to apply to natural-born US citizen women who gave birth between age 16 and age 21.

It's very old language - my great-great grandfather was born in Ireland in 1847, appeared on the Meriden CT census of 1860 at age 13 (unaccompanied by parents), and was naturalized after service in the Civil War at age 18, although the law at that time clearly required residency for "five years after the age of sixteen".

The purpose of "five years after sixteen" laws was to prevent the transmission of birth citizenship by women who were here as children but who adopted foreign nationality by emigration before age 16.

Ann Dunham was unquestionably a US citizen by birth, both because she was born in Kansas and had 2 US citizen parents.

I'm quite certain that any children she bore before age 21, wherever in the world they were born, would acquire "natural born" US citizenship under the law as it exists today.

However, if Obama were born outside the US in 1961 (and I regard this as altogether fantastic), and his mother for whatever reason did not get a certificate from the US counsel, he might or might not be a natural born citizen.

[buckalfa]

Plus since the one whose middle name shall not be spoken survived the Rev. Wright story, I have come to believe that he has so orchestrated his campaign that he will be immune to any mud slinging or inuendo under the guise of racism directed against him, abetted by the MSM of course.

Better to expose him on the issues rather than go negative which I feel will be futile given the circumstances surrounding this election.

[silverleaf]

I never mentioned baptism- you got the wrong poster though

good question though

Releasing a baptims certficiate would put to bed the rumors he is a muslim based on his birth, early education dircted by his muslim step father, and undoubtedly the creed he chanted repeartedy at his madrassah in Indonesia during muslim prayers during his upbringing

“There is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet”.
If he ever said that, he is a Muslim. Thank you. T shirt will be sent in the mail.

I would take pride in posting my birth and baptism certficates if I was running for local dogcatcher much less President of the USA

[SE Mom]

I’ve been thinking about that very idea.

I’m fairly convinced the birth certificate is fake/fraudulent and the idea of what may happen as a result is making me a tad queasy.

Certigate.

It will get really ugly.

[NEPA]

Under the 14th Amendment Obama is a natural born US citizen.

He was born here.

That's why illegals come here to give birth. Even though the parents aren't citizens, not even legal aliens, their children born in the US are.

That's why a terrorist caught on the battle in Afghanistan in 2001-2002, Hamda or something like that, was sent to a fed pen in VA instead of Gitmo. His parents, both foreigners (Yemen?) were working in LA when the baby was born and a few months later parents returned to ME. Baby grew up to be a terrorist but was still given Habeas as a citizen

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

So why wouldn't the Obama campaign just lay all of this suspicion to rest by producing the real documentation rather than this cheap imitation which doesn't cut muster?

For the same reason John (The traitorous, rat-bastard, snake) Kerry, refused to sign a Form 180, thereby releasing for public knowledge his COMPLETE military record---becuz, there was something therein, which he didn't want to make public.

Think about it, Kerry--like Barack ("Peace Be Upon His Middle No Name") Obama if he so desired--could have thru the release of his military records, not only disproved all of the allegations which were circulating about his service (especially about his awards) but also completely embarrassed and discounted all who sought to expose him for the fake and fraud he truly was--especially the Swift Boat Vets for Truth.

Moreover, I suggest, that this would not only have silenced so many of his critics, those of us who worked diligently to help expose his actions (more-so, those connected with his anti war activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War) would have been stymied in our efforts to keep him from being elected.

Thus why didn't Kerry sign a 180 and why won't B.O. produce a Birth Certificate.

Simple. They (both) are/were well aware that the in-the-tank, corrupt, leftist, media will NOT pick this up and run with it, nor will "it" make this an issue for all to see, thereby giving B.O. (like they did Kerry) enough cover to ignore and deny any accusation or innuendo regarding these issues--AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

[ken21]

i think you’re correct.

there’s too much slander even on this forum, imo. both sides now hate each other.

i met a woman that i was interested in while hiking and it turned out that she foamed at the mouth over bor.

it’s better to expose obama for what he is—a socialist that will destroy this country.

right minded people will respond.

[alice_in_bubbaland]

If the Clinton's had any info they would have used it by now.

As much as they wanted Hillery to win, they will never help McCain get the upper hand in this election. A Democrat in the Whitehouse is their prime objective now.