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French soldier shoots 17 in hostage-taking exercise
afp/google ^ | 6-30-08 | afp

Posted on 06/30/2008 3:23:40 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

CARCASSONNE, France (AFP) — President Nicolas Sarkozy promised swift and severe punishment Monday after a soldier shot and wounded 17 people, including a three-year-old boy and both his parents, at an open day at an army barracks.

The sergeant opened up with an assault rifle, firing live rounds instead of blanks into a crowd of hundreds of visitors watching a hostage-taking exercise Sunday at the base near the southwestern city of Carcassonne.

A man who witnessed the shooting told AFP that "suddenly, people were falling, we thought it was part of the exercise, and then we saw blood."

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1 posted on 06/30/2008 3:23:40 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I’m with the other commenters on the other threads: there’s something else going on here.


2 posted on 06/30/2008 3:26:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

other threads? I guess my title search was fruitless.

he took a ‘take-no-prisoners’ approach.


3 posted on 06/30/2008 3:28:17 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And here we have the first casualties of the French Military since Napoleon.

H


4 posted on 06/30/2008 3:28:56 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Jack Bauer for President '08 -- All the world's terrorists hate him. Sounds like a fair fight.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Definitely something going on here.

1- Soldiers know live ammo from blanks.
2- Officers ensure soldiers have blanks.
3- Officers check again to make sure soldiers have blanks.
4- No blank firing adapter.
5- You don't point at the crowd even with blanks.

5 posted on 06/30/2008 3:29:30 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: Hemorrhage
And here we have the first casualties of the French Military since Napoleon.

Several million Germans from World War I would be to differ.

6 posted on 06/30/2008 3:31:42 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Too bad that the only blood this French weapon will shed is of its own citizens.


7 posted on 06/30/2008 3:33:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Maybe a “French” muslim officer?


8 posted on 06/30/2008 3:34:02 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Strategerist

>> Several million Germans from World War I would be to differ.

It was a joke. Rumor has it, no enemy combatant has ever seen the front of a French military uniform.

H


9 posted on 06/30/2008 3:34:17 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Jack Bauer for President '08 -- All the world's terrorists hate him. Sounds like a fair fight.)
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To: Hemorrhage

It might have been a joke, but it was poor because there was no element of truth to it.


10 posted on 06/30/2008 3:38:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Strategerist

Million? Highly doubtful. Probably more died from ambushes by the French Resistance than from the French Army, which did not exist from mid 1040 until near the end of WWII.


11 posted on 06/30/2008 3:40:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

It’s amazing that they even had bullets. All you really need for a French military exercise is a white flag...

Guns, tanks, planes, bullets? Why would they waste their money on those things. Even when they fight, they send foreigners to do it for them.


12 posted on 06/30/2008 3:43:33 PM PDT by jerod (They were pro-abortion, for gun control & wanted a cleaner environment at all cost - The NAZI party)
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To: Sender
The whole thing was criminal negligence in proceedure

I've taken part in firearms training involving "sim-munitions" fired from real guns. Before entering the training area, each person was checked at a gateway area for ammo, by pat down and by metal detector. His firearm was checked by a line of three inspectors, he would pass through the gate, be handed his handgun and a mag of simunition (which was loaded under the supervision of three sets of eyes)

Instructor has never had an accident

13 posted on 06/30/2008 3:44:37 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: jerod

With the exception of Afghanistan, but why bother oneself with mere facts?


14 posted on 06/30/2008 3:46:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I just got a kick out of listening to a lib coworker talk about his trip to France last week. He knows how much better we have it here.
15 posted on 06/30/2008 3:46:51 PM PDT by lormand ("The Planet is fine, the people are $%#ed up" - George Carlin)
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To: Hemorrhage
My French wifes great grandfather never saw his son because he was killed at Verdun; his son, her grandfather had a son but was taken as slave labor in WWII and did not see his son for 6 years; your jokes and rumors are not too funny.
16 posted on 06/30/2008 3:47:21 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Count off:

Shooting demo uses real bullets, injures 16 (in France)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2038408/posts

French Marines Shoot Children In Bungled Hostage Display
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2038365/posts

Sixteen hurt at French army show
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2038241/posts

French soldier shoots 17 in hostage-taking exercise
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2038821/posts


17 posted on 06/30/2008 3:50:27 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Strategerist

Don’t know where you studied history, but World War I and World War II were different wars.


18 posted on 06/30/2008 3:52:56 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Since when have the French loaded their weapons with “real” bullets?


19 posted on 06/30/2008 3:53:49 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Maybe a “French” muslim officer?”

This is the third time that I have seen this article posted, but still no name of the shooter.


20 posted on 06/30/2008 4:00:36 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: Sender; Squantos

You know after one shot that you are firing blanks or live ammo. Plus, you must have a blank firing adapter to fire blanks. Firing live ammo with an installed BFA will blow up your rifle.

Something else is going on. Jaques Muhamed?


21 posted on 06/30/2008 4:02:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: 1rudeboy
I’m with the other commenters on the other threads: there’s something else going on here.

Just off the top of my head, I am thinking that someone switched his magazines. Who, why I have no way of knowing, but that is a line of inquiry that needs to be followed.

22 posted on 06/30/2008 4:04:54 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Sender

If you’re assured of never having to partake in a real military campaign, why bother to drill and train. Just pencil-whip the thing till you’re called on to perform and then just hope for the best. Obviously, a breakdown in discipline.


23 posted on 06/30/2008 4:06:46 PM PDT by rabidralph (Dems now have Oil Derangement Syndrome)
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To: 1rudeboy

I should have noted my sarcasm... The French have fought bravely and heroically in many wars, including Afghanistan.

I just can’t help myself sometimes... I love kicking the French while their down for the less then enthusiastic support for American policy.


24 posted on 06/30/2008 4:09:36 PM PDT by jerod (They were pro-abortion, for gun control & wanted a cleaner environment at all cost - The NAZI party)
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To: usurper

Whatever happened, I just don’t see this as an accident.


25 posted on 06/30/2008 4:09:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Travis McGee

Someone(s) messed up big !


26 posted on 06/30/2008 4:10:19 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’m not a French apologist, but enough is enough. The French fought valiantly in WWI and in WWII were basically let down by their leadership. The following stats speak for themselves:

World War I cost France 1,357,800 dead, 4,266,000 wounded (of whom 1.5 million were permanently maimed) and 537,000 made prisoner or missing — exactly 73% of the 8,410,000 men mobilized, according to William Shirer in The Collapse of the Third Republic. Some context: France had 40 million citizens at the start of the war; six in ten men between the ages of eighteen and twenty-eight died or were permanently maimed.


27 posted on 06/30/2008 4:10:30 PM PDT by Gnarly
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To: jerod

I don’t have a problem with kicking the French when they deserve to be kicked . . . this simply does not appear to be one of those times.


28 posted on 06/30/2008 4:11:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Squantos

Has the shooter been named yet? Is the long naming delay a sign that a mooslim might be the perp?


29 posted on 06/30/2008 4:11:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
Firing live ammo with an installed BFA will blow up your rifle.

The one time I saw it happen a live round got loaded in a mag full of blanks. All it did was fire the metal plug thingy 25 yards down range. The weapon was still fully functional and undamaged.

No one could figure out how it happened and no one was injured but after that I insisted that only “I” load my magazines and in practice exercises I never aim directly at anybody.

The guy who fired it felt really bad and insisted that he did not load the magazine with the live round which was probably true but it would have been of no comfort if someone was injured and he knew it.

30 posted on 06/30/2008 4:18:29 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: SF Republican

No offense intended. Don’t take it personally — this wasn’t an attack on your family, just general mockery of the French. If you don’t think its funny, that’s fine — you don’t have to.

Lighten up a bit. I don’t know you, your wife, her grandfather, or her great-grandfather ... so this clearly wasn’t directed at you.

H


31 posted on 06/30/2008 4:19:49 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Jack Bauer for President '08 -- All the world's terrorists hate him. Sounds like a fair fight.)
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To: usurper

Thanks for the first hand report, I never saw one happen!


32 posted on 06/30/2008 4:22:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: 1rudeboy; WOBBLY BOB; All

What’s the soldier’s name?

That’s something we’d like to know.


33 posted on 06/30/2008 4:30:39 PM PDT by wastedyears (Obama is a Texas Post Turtle.)
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To: PapaBear3625

One full mag of Simunitions?

Personally, if I’m training for combat scenarios, I’d rather have a full loadout.


34 posted on 06/30/2008 4:44:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (Obama is a Texas Post Turtle.)
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To: Travis McGee

I am thinking Jacques Mohammed. We will know soon.


35 posted on 06/30/2008 4:58:43 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: Travis McGee
You know after one shot that you are firing blanks or live ammo.

Yeah and shooting 17 people in a crowd of spectators? That is incomprehensible by accident. He had to aim at the crowd deliberately, then keep shooting and shooting and...

36 posted on 06/30/2008 5:03:01 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
"...a soldier shot and wounded 17 people..."

So much for


37 posted on 06/30/2008 5:28:18 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Marquis de Lafayette, Napoleon Bonaparte, Michael Ney, Achille Bazaine, Patrice MacMahon, Ferdinand Foch, Joseph Gallieni, Charles de Gaulle, Marie Pierre Kœnig, Joseph Joffre, and even Alfred Dreyfus would disagree with you.

You want a real loser army? Take the Ottoman Empire's army. Though there were some major failures in command and control in 1870 and 1940, overall the French Army has been better than most of its European counterparts, and even Hitler admired the bravery of the French soldier.

38 posted on 06/30/2008 5:30:20 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

So the first one gets shot and no one checks their ammo.

The 2nd...

3rd....

1oth...


39 posted on 06/30/2008 6:28:37 PM PDT by NoLibZone (All Democrats must be rationed fuel to reduce their hypocrisy about global warming.)
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To: PAR35

My mistake, I read WWII.


40 posted on 06/30/2008 7:21:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

There was just a shooting recently with the so-called suicide. What is going on with the people around Sarkozy?


41 posted on 06/30/2008 8:41:54 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth- but what?)
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To: Sender

I’m still betting on Jacques Muhamed.


42 posted on 06/30/2008 9:14:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Hemorrhage
I take no personal offense. Its just on this website, death is often made light of and it is disappointing that so many here when death is involved, feel like we should lighten up.
If you think its funny, have fun.
43 posted on 07/01/2008 7:58:32 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Gnarly

Thank you for that breath of reason. It seems many posters bashing france don’t know much about the first world war, particularly that the western front was effectively a meat-grinding stalemate for nearly 4 years.


44 posted on 07/02/2008 12:48:00 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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