Posted on 06/30/2008 7:39:17 PM PDT by pissant
WASHINGTON — Politically speaking, Susan Speakman is a different kind of evangelical.
Mrs. Speakman, 59, a pastor and educator at Bethany Presbyterian Church in Bridgeville, Pa., an activist evangelical church southwest of Pittsburgh, backs Senator Barack Obama in the presidential race. Along with her 23-year-old son, Stephen, she supports Mr. Obama because of his stands on the Iraq war and matters of social justice. The two of them plan to spread the word in their community and beyond.
“What caught my attention early on was his comment that we don’t want red states and blue states, but we want to find reconciliation and rapprochement with folks,” said Mrs. Speakman, who changed her party affiliation to Democratic from Republican this year to vote for Mr. Obama in the Pennsylvania primary. “I really object to the other approach — divide and conquer, isolate and demonize the opposition. I try to engage the other side and try to find ways we can bring the values of the kingdom of God into the experience of humanity.”
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They think we are idiots. I love it.
And I question how any bona fide evangelical Christian could even think of supporting Obama or the Democrats. Who do they think is in political bed with the bigoted haters who challenge Christianity in the courts, education, and media?
You don’t vote for people who’s political bedfellows challenge the very essence of your faith, plain and simple.
An Evangelical Presbyterian Church?
I don’t know of one person in my church who would vote for that Marxist.
Yea, like murdering unborn babies.
He’s welcome to have them. Evangelicals = Big govt socialists who claim their theft is mandated through Jesus’ teachings. The GOP is better off without such company.
Another “christian” like his Obama’s beloved Nation of Islam Reverend Wright? Sure she voted for Bush!
Can we ask this lady if she has heard about Obama’s stonewalling an Illinois legislative initiative to change the state law ( when he was an Ill senator)to concur with the national bill that outlawed infanticide of infants ( after aborted in late term abortions). the issue was connected to Christ Hospital in chicago, affliated with Obama’s former church. Rev Wright was on the board of that hospital. Bill Bennett had the nurse on his radio show today who used to work at that hospital and broke the story.
The words “ social justice” just drives me nuts.
The guy’s got the mark of the Black Liberation Theology beast on his forehead and he’s out trying to ‘court’ evangelicals?? How friggin stupid do they think conservatives are?
Reverend Wright's Black Liberation Theology is a revolutionary Marxist ideology masquerading as religion. In fact, even 'Screwy Louie' Farrakhan's movement subscribes to BLT, as does/did the new and old Black Panther Parties. And, for that matter, did Bill Ayers' Weather Underground. All of these seemingly unrelated things are revolutionary communist in nature. To be more specific, they're Maoist. For all the charming 'details', visit my FR home page. Feel free to link to it to help get the info out to other normal Americans. Actually, I think even the dopiest, most deluded democrat would even be alarmed if they saw this indisputable evidence shoved right in their faces.
No because these people are mentally defective, or demonized or something. Maybe they're just really arrogant. It's really funny to see them thrash around as if they have some kind of authority to form opinion.
Bingo
Why would they possibly ... oh!
Case in point: "she supports Mr. Obama because of his stands on the Iraq war and matters of social justice.
That last phrase "social justice" is a dead giveaway. Who wants to place a wager of either a steak dinner or a six pack of non-Miller beer that we're looking at atheists or Unitarians?
Dang, that was what I was going to post.
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These phony Christians might just as well eat drink and be merry!
“What caught my attention early on was his comment that we don’t want red states and blue states, “
Wow, talk about an easy convert!
Considering the GOP was resurrected, so to speak, in no small measure in the late 70s, early 80s by Jerry Falwell and Co, I’d be very hesitant to toss them overboard.
Shall we tell ‘Bama that this scheme will not work? LOL!
Wright’s security provided by Nation of Islam
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/28/wrights-security-provided-by-nation-of-islam/
nObama is the Wright way to salvation.
She wants all blue states, the dingbat.
Well, checked out the church and their newsletter for the past few months, and it seems like a nice Christians church. They have a global program, and offer daily activities for everyone.
They seem a lot like Joel Osteen, though. In fact, if you were just reading the literature and asked to guess who wrote it you’d say Joel Osteen.
No self-respecting person of faith could ever support someone like Obama with his anti-Christian values.
She was a pastor at several different churches and then went to Bethany to work in Children's Ministry. So the NY Times article on this has a mistake on the second sentence...Well at least they are getting better.
Wow! That would make a GREAT campaign poster for McCain! Powerful imagery.
And Obama was all over Farakhan’s Million (divided by 10) Man March, like Clinton on a chubby intern.
Not really. Ever heard of a man called Ronald Reagan? He and his ideas about liberty, why govt is the problem not the solution, and the greatness of this country (and NOT that schmuck Falwell) brought the GOP around.
Regardless, the evangelicals, due to their love and lust of govt power and dollars, have alienated almost every segment of what was once a powerful coalition of smaller govt members. Again, let them leave. They won’t and shouldn’t be missed.
And I guess partial-birth abortions are the way to do that.
That’s a pretty bold stand around here. FR believes in a higher power and it isn’t Washington.
Tolerance? Tolerance is not voting against partial birth abortion bans.
Yes, they're all in the Black Liberation Theology business. The "religious" stuff they do is pure BS. They are concocted religions invented to promote hatred, division and eventually revolution. That's what BLT is all about. See my FR home page for more on the subject (click ETL below).
Glad you're not painting with a broad brush or anything. Are we allowed to miss the ones that are leaving due to their love of small govt and disgust with the democrat-ization of the GOP or does the evangelical part cancel out the good features for you?
Just like I know someone who belonged to the Colorado branch of an organization calling themselves "Republicans for Kerry" in '04 (they had an enormous membership in this state - it reached into a couple of dozen at least).
And of course, plenty of Jews voted for Hitler in the last free election in Germany in 1932.
So, like, what else is new?
Plenty of evangelicals here that would abolish 3/4 of the government.
A different kind of evangelical alright- along with all the NARAL Catholics whose “Obama” bumper stickers disgrace our parking lot at Sunday mass
I remember that day well. Crime across the nation dropped like a rock! Fact is, all of these groups and individuals are united by Black Liberation Theology, including Bill Ayers' Weather Underground. All are Maoist revolutionary.
From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]
(some key excerpts)
JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.
I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."
REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."
SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."
Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
From the Louis Farrakhan/Nation of Islam website, Final Call...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml
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From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES
excerpt...
"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.
Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.
The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."
To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."
Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html
Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."..."Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html
Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's pastor and spirtual advisor "crazy uncle" of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg
Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4337417
Considering the GOP was resurrected, so to speak, in no small measure in the late 70s, early 80s by Jerry Falwell and Co, I’d be very hesitant to toss them overboard.
Not really. Ever heard of a man called Ronald Reagan? He and his ideas about liberty, why govt is the problem not the solution, and the greatness of this country (and NOT that schmuck Falwell) brought the GOP around.
"Although raised in his mother's Disciples of Christ denomination, beginning in 1963 Reagan generally attended Presbyterian church services at Bel-Air Presbyterian Church, Bel-Air, California. He became an official member of Bel-Air Presbyterian after leaving the Presidency. In addition, Reagan stated that he considered himself a "born-again Christian."
Reagan and Religion
This, my friend, is what we call a "conundrum".
Call ‘em out. Catholics are not Evangelicals BTW.
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