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Obama Courting Evangelicals Once Loyal to Bush
NYT ^ | 6/30/08 | Johnny Broder

Posted on 06/30/2008 7:39:17 PM PDT by pissant

WASHINGTON — Politically speaking, Susan Speakman is a different kind of evangelical.

Mrs. Speakman, 59, a pastor and educator at Bethany Presbyterian Church in Bridgeville, Pa., an activist evangelical church southwest of Pittsburgh, backs Senator Barack Obama in the presidential race. Along with her 23-year-old son, Stephen, she supports Mr. Obama because of his stands on the Iraq war and matters of social justice. The two of them plan to spread the word in their community and beyond.

“What caught my attention early on was his comment that we don’t want red states and blue states, but we want to find reconciliation and rapprochement with folks,” said Mrs. Speakman, who changed her party affiliation to Democratic from Republican this year to vote for Mr. Obama in the Pennsylvania primary. “I really object to the other approach — divide and conquer, isolate and demonize the opposition. I try to engage the other side and try to find ways we can bring the values of the kingdom of God into the experience of humanity.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Pennsylvania
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I'd be willing to bet Mrs Speakman never voted for GWB. She is spouting the liberal lemming talking points.
1 posted on 06/30/2008 7:39:18 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

They think we are idiots. I love it.


2 posted on 06/30/2008 7:44:38 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: pissant

And I question how any bona fide evangelical Christian could even think of supporting Obama or the Democrats. Who do they think is in political bed with the bigoted haters who challenge Christianity in the courts, education, and media?

You don’t vote for people who’s political bedfellows challenge the very essence of your faith, plain and simple.


3 posted on 06/30/2008 7:45:22 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: pissant

An Evangelical Presbyterian Church?


4 posted on 06/30/2008 7:45:43 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: pissant

I don’t know of one person in my church who would vote for that Marxist.


5 posted on 06/30/2008 7:47:28 PM PDT by Radl
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To: pissant
and matters of social justice.

Yea, like murdering unborn babies.

6 posted on 06/30/2008 7:47:44 PM PDT by A message
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To: pissant
Politically speaking, Susan Speakman is a different kind of evangelical. Mrs. Speakman, 59, a pastor and educator at Bethany Presbyterian Church in Bridgeville, Pa., an activist evangelical church southwest of Pittsburgh

She ain't and they ain't either. Apostates, yes, Evangelicals, no.
7 posted on 06/30/2008 7:47:52 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Don't cheer for Obama too hard - the krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: pissant

He’s welcome to have them. Evangelicals = Big govt socialists who claim their theft is mandated through Jesus’ teachings. The GOP is better off without such company.


8 posted on 06/30/2008 7:48:56 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: pissant

Another “christian” like his Obama’s beloved Nation of Islam Reverend Wright? Sure she voted for Bush!


9 posted on 06/30/2008 7:48:58 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
GD America resonates well through-out the Evangelical community. /s

These people are on crack.
10 posted on 06/30/2008 7:49:01 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: normy

Can we ask this lady if she has heard about Obama’s stonewalling an Illinois legislative initiative to change the state law ( when he was an Ill senator)to concur with the national bill that outlawed infanticide of infants ( after aborted in late term abortions). the issue was connected to Christ Hospital in chicago, affliated with Obama’s former church. Rev Wright was on the board of that hospital. Bill Bennett had the nurse on his radio show today who used to work at that hospital and broke the story.


11 posted on 06/30/2008 7:49:43 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (WE NEED A TROOP SURGE IN CHICAGO !)
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To: pissant

The words “ social justice” just drives me nuts.


12 posted on 06/30/2008 7:49:57 PM PDT by pugmama
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To: pissant

The guy’s got the mark of the Black Liberation Theology beast on his forehead and he’s out trying to ‘court’ evangelicals?? How friggin stupid do they think conservatives are?


13 posted on 06/30/2008 7:50:32 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: RasterMaster; All
Another “christian” like his Obama’s beloved Nation of Islam Reverend Wright?

Reverend Wright's Black Liberation Theology is a revolutionary Marxist ideology masquerading as religion. In fact, even 'Screwy Louie' Farrakhan's movement subscribes to BLT, as does/did the new and old Black Panther Parties. And, for that matter, did Bill Ayers' Weather Underground. All of these seemingly unrelated things are revolutionary communist in nature. To be more specific, they're Maoist. For all the charming 'details', visit my FR home page. Feel free to link to it to help get the info out to other normal Americans. Actually, I think even the dopiest, most deluded democrat would even be alarmed if they saw this indisputable evidence shoved right in their faces.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/

14 posted on 06/30/2008 7:54:05 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
to concur with the national bill that outlawed infanticide of infants

No because these people are mentally defective, or demonized or something. Maybe they're just really arrogant. It's really funny to see them thrash around as if they have some kind of authority to form opinion.

15 posted on 06/30/2008 7:54:40 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: eyedigress

Bingo


16 posted on 06/30/2008 7:55:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: pissant

Why would they possibly ... oh!


17 posted on 06/30/2008 7:55:22 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (If it is going to take 10 years, shouldn't we get started? Drill here, drill now, pay less.)
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To: pissant
Mrs. Speakman is not pastor, nor is even an associate pastor, according to the "church website
18 posted on 06/30/2008 7:55:27 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: pissant
She is spouting the liberal lemming talking points.

Case in point: "she supports Mr. Obama because of his stands on the Iraq war and matters of social justice.

That last phrase "social justice" is a dead giveaway. Who wants to place a wager of either a steak dinner or a six pack of non-Miller beer that we're looking at atheists or Unitarians?

19 posted on 06/30/2008 7:56:05 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (DU: Standing athwart history yelling "$#@$# you mother$#@$#er!")
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Yea, like murdering unborn babies.

Dang, that was what I was going to post.

20 posted on 06/30/2008 7:56:38 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: icwhatudo
Strange, link not working. This is what it shows:

Church Staff

Rev. Danial Hrach, Senior Pastor
Rev. John Dykstra, Associate Pastor
John Henninger, Director of Music
Rev. Susan Speakman, Director of Christian Education
Roy Burford, Church Business Administrator
Janet Marlett, Secretary

Site Administration Send E-mail

21 posted on 06/30/2008 8:00:13 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: pissant

These phony Christians might just as well eat drink and be merry!


22 posted on 06/30/2008 8:00:35 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (OF COURSE I AM A REPUBLICAN, I BELIEVE IN GOD..........THE GREAT ART LINKLETTER)
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To: pissant
Partial Birth Abortion Obama
23 posted on 06/30/2008 8:01:43 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (If it's in the Yellow Pages, the government shouldn't do it.)
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To: pissant

“What caught my attention early on was his comment that we don’t want red states and blue states, “

Wow, talk about an easy convert!


24 posted on 06/30/2008 8:01:51 PM PDT by Will88
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To: KantianBurke

Considering the GOP was resurrected, so to speak, in no small measure in the late 70s, early 80s by Jerry Falwell and Co, I’d be very hesitant to toss them overboard.


25 posted on 06/30/2008 8:02:37 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Shall we tell ‘Bama that this scheme will not work? LOL!


26 posted on 06/30/2008 8:07:15 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ETL; pissant

Wright’s security provided by Nation of Islam

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/28/wrights-security-provided-by-nation-of-islam/


27 posted on 06/30/2008 8:08:02 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: pissant

nObama is the Wright way to salvation.


28 posted on 06/30/2008 8:08:21 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Do I waste my time explaining? He had such trouble with my name.)
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To: Will88

She wants all blue states, the dingbat.


29 posted on 06/30/2008 8:08:31 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Will88
I guess all that's left is White states.
30 posted on 06/30/2008 8:10:07 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: pissant

Well, checked out the church and their newsletter for the past few months, and it seems like a nice Christians church. They have a global program, and offer daily activities for everyone.
They seem a lot like Joel Osteen, though. In fact, if you were just reading the literature and asked to guess who wrote it you’d say Joel Osteen.


31 posted on 06/30/2008 8:10:24 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: pissant
Sounds as though Mrs. Speakman may be many things but "evangelical" or "born again" she ain't.

No self-respecting person of faith could ever support someone like Obama with his anti-Christian values.

32 posted on 06/30/2008 8:10:32 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: icwhatudo
The Rev. Susan Junker Speakman, a member of Washington Presbytery, joined the staff of Bethany in January, 2005. She received her B.A. in English from the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, PA and her Master of Divinity from Gordon-Conwell Seminary near Boston, MA. Rev. Susan was ordained to the ministry of Word and Sacrament in 1983 by Pittsburgh Presbytery and has been a pastor of several churches in Western Pennsylvania before coming to Bethany to work in Children's Ministry and Discipleship. Harry and Susan have three grown and make their home in Cecil.

She was a pastor at several different churches and then went to Bethany to work in Children's Ministry. So the NY Times article on this has a mistake on the second sentence...Well at least they are getting better.

33 posted on 06/30/2008 8:10:38 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: littlehouse36

Wow! That would make a GREAT campaign poster for McCain! Powerful imagery.


34 posted on 06/30/2008 8:11:38 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: RasterMaster

And Obama was all over Farakhan’s Million (divided by 10) Man March, like Clinton on a chubby intern.


35 posted on 06/30/2008 8:12:58 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Not really. Ever heard of a man called Ronald Reagan? He and his ideas about liberty, why govt is the problem not the solution, and the greatness of this country (and NOT that schmuck Falwell) brought the GOP around.

Regardless, the evangelicals, due to their love and lust of govt power and dollars, have alienated almost every segment of what was once a powerful coalition of smaller govt members. Again, let them leave. They won’t and shouldn’t be missed.


36 posted on 06/30/2008 8:15:21 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: pissant
I try to engage the other side and try to find ways we can bring the values of the kingdom of God into the experience of humanity.”

And I guess partial-birth abortions are the way to do that.

37 posted on 06/30/2008 8:16:21 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: pissant
I bet this female pastor didn't know that Obama supports abortion and even partial birth abortion. /s
38 posted on 06/30/2008 8:17:00 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: KantianBurke

That’s a pretty bold stand around here. FR believes in a higher power and it isn’t Washington.


39 posted on 06/30/2008 8:17:35 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: pissant
He [Barack Milhous Obama] also faces significant hurdles in appealing to religious voters because of his tolerance for abortion and same-sex marriage.

Tolerance? Tolerance is not voting against partial birth abortion bans.

40 posted on 06/30/2008 8:18:31 PM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: RasterMaster
Wright’s security provided by Nation of Islam

Yes, they're all in the Black Liberation Theology business. The "religious" stuff they do is pure BS. They are concocted religions invented to promote hatred, division and eventually revolution. That's what BLT is all about. See my FR home page for more on the subject (click ETL below).

41 posted on 06/30/2008 8:18:42 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: KantianBurke
Regardless, the evangelicals, due to their love and lust of govt power and dollars, have alienated almost every segment of what was once a powerful coalition of smaller govt members. Again, let them leave. They won’t and shouldn’t be missed.

Glad you're not painting with a broad brush or anything. Are we allowed to miss the ones that are leaving due to their love of small govt and disgust with the democrat-ization of the GOP or does the evangelical part cancel out the good features for you?

42 posted on 06/30/2008 8:22:36 PM PDT by jabchae
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To: pissant
It's trivially easy to find someone calling themselves an "evangelical" who enthusiastically supports Obama.

Just like I know someone who belonged to the Colorado branch of an organization calling themselves "Republicans for Kerry" in '04 (they had an enormous membership in this state - it reached into a couple of dozen at least).

And of course, plenty of Jews voted for Hitler in the last free election in Germany in 1932.

So, like, what else is new?

43 posted on 06/30/2008 8:24:12 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: KantianBurke

Plenty of evangelicals here that would abolish 3/4 of the government.


44 posted on 06/30/2008 8:25:49 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

A different kind of evangelical alright- along with all the NARAL Catholics whose “Obama” bumper stickers disgrace our parking lot at Sunday mass


45 posted on 06/30/2008 8:30:15 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: pissant
And Obama was all over Farakhan’s Million (divided by 10) Man March, like Clinton on a chubby intern.

I remember that day well. Crime across the nation dropped like a rock! Fact is, all of these groups and individuals are united by Black Liberation Theology, including Bill Ayers' Weather Underground. All are Maoist revolutionary.

From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

From the Louis Farrakhan/Nation of Islam website, Final Call...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml

___________________________________________________________

From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES

excerpt...

"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."..."Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says

Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's pastor and spirtual advisor "crazy uncle" of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4337417

46 posted on 06/30/2008 8:30:32 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: pissant
we want to find reconciliation and rapprochement with folks,”

Ms speakman - that 'WE' is rich coming from a man who sat in a "hate whitey' church for 20 years! Furthermore, NO ONE can claim Christianity if they support abortion.
47 posted on 06/30/2008 8:30:41 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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He’s welcome to have them. Evangelicals = Big govt socialists who claim their theft is mandated through Jesus’ teachings. The GOP is better off without such company.

Considering the GOP was resurrected, so to speak, in no small measure in the late 70s, early 80s by Jerry Falwell and Co, I’d be very hesitant to toss them overboard.

Not really. Ever heard of a man called Ronald Reagan? He and his ideas about liberty, why govt is the problem not the solution, and the greatness of this country (and NOT that schmuck Falwell) brought the GOP around.

"Although raised in his mother's Disciples of Christ denomination, beginning in 1963 Reagan generally attended Presbyterian church services at Bel-Air Presbyterian Church, Bel-Air, California. He became an official member of Bel-Air Presbyterian after leaving the Presidency. In addition, Reagan stated that he considered himself a "born-again Christian."

Reagan and Religion

This, my friend, is what we call a "conundrum".

48 posted on 06/30/2008 8:32:39 PM PDT by uptoolate (I will not cast my vote out of fear)
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To: silverleaf

Call ‘em out. Catholics are not Evangelicals BTW.


49 posted on 06/30/2008 8:32:43 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: silverleaf
Obama” bumper stickers disgrace our parking lot at Sunday mass

Speak to your pastor - you are there for a reason - use your voice.
50 posted on 06/30/2008 8:33:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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