Skip to comments.Obama works to mobilize 'Christian left'
Posted on 07/01/2008 12:58:14 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
CNN) -- Democrats have usually conceded the evangelical vote during presidential elections, but Sen. Barack Obama is trying to change that by mobilizing what some call the "Christian left."
As part of his outreach to evangelical voters, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Tuesday will tour the Eastside Community Ministry in Zanesville, Ohio, and give an address on how he plans to build what he calls a "real" partnership between faith-based organizations and the White House if he becomes president.
Obama's outreach to evangelical voters has also included private summits with pastors, an effort to reach out to young evangelicals and a fundraiser with the Matthew 25 political action committee, which describes itself as a group of moderate evangelicals, Catholics and Protestants committed to electing the Illinois Democrat president.
Matthew 25's name is inspired by a biblical passage, in the 25th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew, in which Jesus says, "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink." The name is meant to signal the group's focus on social justice concerns about hot-button cultural issues.
Brian McLaren, a former pastor who spent 24 years in the pulpit and is now an informal adviser to the Obama campaign, believes a significant portion of evangelical voters are ready to break from their traditional home in the the Republican Party and take a new leap of faith with Obama.
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Aren’t they called Secular Progressives or Secular Humanists?
“Christian left” = no such thing.
A contradiction in terms.
Well there are some religious left people. They quote the Bible verse “blessed are the peacemakers” and say that we shouldn’t fight wars. And they lecture people about how Jesus preached to the poor and said the poor will always be with us, and based on that, they want expanded government social programs.
Those who support the killing of God’s babies may be Left, but they are not “Christian.” True Christians know the difference.
See my post # 1 above.
That the media even acknowledge such a group exists is a surprise in itself.
Here’s a term that describes exactly what these Obama-supporting Christians ought to be called:
See the post below yours (#6) for my response.
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.Just a note to those on the "Christian Left" - your support of socialism is not YOU giving water, food, clothing, or comfort to the Lord.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
It is simply you passing the buck to the government, and authorizing others to use force at your behest to steal property from its rightful owners.
It counts for NOTHING.
Being a "true Christian" is having faith in Christ, not being free from sin. None of us are.
The issue of murder of the unborn alone should preclude any true Christian from voting Democrat.
The proper term should be PAGAN left.
I have a friend who is definitely Christian left; she believes in the entire left-wing platform *except* she is pro-life.
“Being a “true Christian” is having faith in Christ, not being free from sin. None of us are.”
Agreed, however, actively supporting those who propogate evil in the world, knowingly supporting them. That, IMHO will leave one subject to judgement when that day comes. Ergo, voting for candidates that espouse and support those positions makes you just as guilty.
My leftist niece, who recently confessed to me that she’s an agnostic, once asked me if I didn’t agree that socialism is a more “Christian” form of government than capitalism.
I didn’t have an answer for her then, but after much thought I concluded that socialism actually discourages Christian practice precisely for the reasons you state. It allows people to divert the responsibility of caring for the poor and needy from themselves, which is what Christ intended, to an overweening yet impersonal government that writes checks instead of offering real compassion.
Worse, it gives unscrupulous politicians a mechanism for manipulating and exploiting people based on the largesse they have the power to distribute to select ‘victim’ groups.
There’s a reason Jesus said “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.”
Christian Communism is a form of religious communism centered around Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, created their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.
Christian communism can be seen as a radical form of Christian socialism. Also, due to the fact that many Christian communists have formed independent stateless communes in the past, there is also a link between Christian communism and Christian anarchism. Christian communists may or may not agree with various parts of Marxism. They certainly do not agree with the atheist views of most Marxists, but they do agree with some of the economic aspects of Marxist theory, such as the idea that capitalism exploits the working class by extracting surplus value from the workers in the form of profits. Christian communists also share some of the political goals of Marxists, for example replacing capitalism with socialism, which should in turn be followed by communism at a later point in the future. However, Christian communists sometimes disagree with Marxists (and particularly with Leninists) on the way a socialist or communist society should be organized. In general, Christian communism evolved independently of Marxism, and most Christian communists share the conclusions but not the underlying premises of Marxist communists.
Here’s something to provoke thought (I hope) in your friend.
“Matthew 25’s name is inspired by a biblical passage, in the 25th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew, in which Jesus says, “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink.””
Isn’t Jesus speaking on a personal level here? He’s talking about individual VOLUNTARY actions. What the Left espouses is confiscation of property (taxes) with the threat of jail. That is completely not Christian. On top of that, the Left uses those resources to fund very non-Christian activities.
Matthew25 also ignores the first half of the chapter. I guess it smacks too much of capitalism. If you take the way they read the second half as an example, they would be mortified at the bridesmaids in the first section or the profit-making in the second.
From the sounds of it, “Bishop” Benke will be first in line (as long as a papist will walk him up to the Obamassiah...)
Bill Hybels, and Rick Warren are leaders in the “Christian left”.
the Social Gospel is as old as Judas Iscariot.
"Christian Left? Jumbo Shrimp?"
Oh, there are numerous studies and writings on the evidence that socialism is totally against God’s will.
Two of the ten Commandments (direct from God) state that you shouldn’t steal or want to have (or control) others’ property.
The sin nature of all humans precludes giving them too much power over others - and that’s what socialism is, centralized power over others.
If a man WILL NOT (not “cannot”) work, he shouldn’t be allowed to eat.
Teach a man to fish, etc.
Everyone should learn a skill so that he can provide for himself, his family, and have something to give the needy.
Charity should be voluntary and joyful, not coerced.
A man who doesn’t provide for his family has denied the faith and is not a Christian.
There are more - I need to compile these with references.
Here’s my favorite poke in the eye to the left:
A wise man’s heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man’s heart directs him toward the left.
I just think we need to be carefull as Christians about mixing politics in this way and making divisive statements about people who are, right or wrong, our brothers in Christ.
I used to bring up politics in a bible study I attend, assumeing everyone was fairly like minded and I learned indirectly that I was incorrect in that assumption and I regreted if I made someone feel uncomfortable because we weren’t there to perfect our politics.
I guess "young evangelicals" would be some of those people born because their parents were "punished with a child," in Obamunist newspeak.
Not only voluntary,
INDIVIDUAL, PERSONAL, and JOYFUL giving.
Supporting the coercive/forced confiscation of others’ property to feed the poor doesn’t count at all.
oxymoron....heavy on the moron....
He he he.
In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obamas pastor in a heated interview about his Churchs teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...
Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
Catholics for Marx
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004
In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.
The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
From Jeff Head's website...
One notable quote from [James] Cone describing his Black Liberation Theology is as follows:
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." - "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, by William R Jones, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).
From the New York Times, April 28, 2008
Reverend Wright at the National Press Club
"In the late 1960s, when Dr. James Cone's powerful books burst onto the scene, the term 'black liberation theology' began to be used. I do not in any way disagree with Dr. Cone, nor do I in any way diminish the inimitable and incomparable contributions that he has made and that he continues to make to the field of theology. Jim, incidentally, is a personal friend of mine."
YouTube: Glenn Beck on Obama and Black Liberation Theology.
From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
BILLY MAYS, KING OF THE "OXY-MORONS", HERE!!!!
Christian left = no such thing
That’s what I’m thinking...no such thing.
Oh, contraire (if you have faith in Jesus Christ as the risen Lord and Savior)...
Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obeywhether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.
Is there a difference?
Gee, the “Emergent Church” lines up with Obama. What a shock. *sarcasm*
No surprise McLaren is involved with this. His buddy Shane “capitalism creates poverty” Claiborne and his happy heretics are currently doing a bus tour for their book Jesus For President... which is really an Obama for President traveling rally, as, don’t you know, Republicans aren’t REALLY for Jesus. Don’t mention any sin other than “social justice” sins though. That’s judgmental to the Emergents, although voting for Republicans is one of the few things they recognize as sin.
"I was pregnant and you ripped the child from my womb." Somehow I don't recall reading that in the Scriptures.
Claiborne’s group proudly call themselves “radicals”. “Marxist Christians” is a pretty fair description of a lot of these people. At their rallies, they do powerpoint shows mocking American and the flag, hinting that we’re a Rome against Christ. Patriotism is taught to be un-Christian by these people.
“Christian Communism is a form of religious communism centered around Christianity.”
Communism only works if it is voluntary. Even then, there are individuals that are ‘more equal’ than other.
A good example of it this is when you go camping with friends. Your friends forgot some supplies so you (voluntarily) offer some of your supplies.
In fact, this is what Jesus teaches. Individuals helping individuals. The true Christian government is a monarchy; with God the Father/Jesus/Spirit as the King.
“I just think we need to be carefull as Christians about mixing politics in this way and making divisive statements about people who are, right or wrong, our brothers in Christ.”
While I agree in principle, recognize that they may be using your own ethics against you. I think some of these groups will use our sense of Christian ethics in the hope that we will let their statements go unchallenged on the basis of Christian brotherhood. But at the same time, most of these people are either skirting, ignoring, or outright contradicting Biblical statements in the pursuit of their own political power. And did the Apostle Paul not tell Christians to watch and keep judgement on each other when they say and do heretical things? When an Emergent tells us we need to accept gay marriage in the spirit of Christian tolerance, Christians aren’t supposed to say anything?
Being professed Christians doesn’t give these groups immunity from criticism, especially from other Christians.
Being a “true Christian” is having faith in Christ, not being free from sin. None of us are.
True, but you can’t be a Christian and call your sins okay. You have to aknowledge them as sins and repent.
But what if your friends consistently "forget" their supplies because they're too lazy to lug them along every time?
Compare and contrast:
“Jesus is ready to set us free from the heavy yoke of an oppressive way of life. Plenty of wealthy Christians are suffocating from the weight of the American Dream, heavily burdened by the lifeless toil and consumption we embrace. This is the yoke from which we are being set free. And as we are liberated from the yoke of global capitalism, our sisters and brothers in Guatamala, Liberia, and Sri Lanka will also be liberated. Our family overseas, who are making our clothes, growing our food, pumping our oil, and assembling our electronicsthey too need to be liberated from the empires yoke of slavery. Their liberation is tangled up with our own. The new yoke isnt easy. (Its a cross, for heavens sake.) But we carry it together, and it is good and leads us to rest, especially for the weariest traveler.”
Shane Claiborne and Chris Haw, from Jesus for President
“Capitalism is the way of the devil and exploitation. If you really want to look at things through the eyes of Jesus Christ who I think was the first socialist only socialism can really create a genuine society.”
Be careful about believing one should never say a negative word about or to fellow christians.
God's love is discipline as well as mercy. He does not like it when a false belief grows and multiplies thereby causing great harm. Correction is also the job of christians.
Then he gets a quick lesson in capitalism, and maybe even price gouging.
Just like clockwork. Every time a national election rolls around, we start hearing about how religious the Democrat candidates are, and the media loves it. Of course, if the Republican candidate tries this, they’ll be slammed as ‘intolerant’ or ‘too Christian’.
I think you incorrect in lumping Bill Hybels and Rick Warren with the leftists. I disagree with quite a bit of what Hybels does...and to a lesser extent Rick Warren, but they are not liberal. Whatever your view on their ecumenical approach, I do not believe either of them are “liberals” in the classic sense. I reserve that for the likes of Rob Bell...
Unknown, Rick Warren may not be an out and out liberal yet, but is sure appears that he’s been headed in that direction for a couple of years now...
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