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Obama - Not Born in the USA?
MacRanger Radio Show ^ | Jun 29, 2008 | Jack Moss

Posted on 07/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PDT by Red Steel

Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.

I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.

I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.

The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find. Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.

I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.

I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.

The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find.

UPDATE: Looks like some have filed the ole FOIA request to force the issue. Meanwhile Doug Ross thinks it’s legit.

One note, Certificates of Live Birth are NOT considered proof of citizenship in many states including Florida, while in other states it is.

Again, why not then just produce the damn certificate, it clears up the whole thing. Until we see that, the issue isn’t closed.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; ajntsa; birthcertificate; certifigate; demagogues; democrats; dnc; election; letitgo; media; msm; noiwont; notarealissue; obama; obamatruthfile; obamsaloverdefend; rats; redherring; yesitis
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To: Red Steel
The blogger Doug Ross linked in your post seems to have identified a possible signature block on the copy of the certificate posted at Daily Kos.

If that is indeed the case, then the certificate does appear legitimate, having both a seal and a signature.

However, I continue to find it odd that the campaign did not simply offer the document for inspection by interested parties. All rumors would have ceased at that point. Now, because of stonewalling by the campaign, they've managed to create an issue that won't go away.

21 posted on 07/01/2008 1:27:59 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Slapshot68

Apparently not.


22 posted on 07/01/2008 1:28:40 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: mojito
However, I continue to find it odd that the campaign did not simply offer the document for inspection by interested parties.

Why should they. If they don't we sit here and chase imaginary rabbits down holes that go no where, all the while, ignoring his leftist record and day to day gaffs.

23 posted on 07/01/2008 1:31:00 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: TribalPrincess2U
"I know PS enough to see faked areas even without a real one for comparison"

O rly? I can make modifications in photoshop that you will not be able to detect.
It's when people attempt to falsify entire documents that the errors are easier to spot, because you can find contextual, document, and formatting errors (Dan Rather). But if you want partial modifications of a valid document, you can reference the valid document for properties and patterns.
24 posted on 07/01/2008 1:31:19 PM PDT by z3n
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To: ltc8k6
Obama has produced a perfectly acceptable birth certificate.

No, he has not. Are you oblivious to the many problems with the Obama BC? These questions weren't plucked out of thin air. The issue is not going away because the question is absolutely legitimate.

MM

25 posted on 07/01/2008 1:32:05 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Unlikely Hero
This whole story reeks of desperation. Time to let it go.

I tend to agree ... the Kommie Kos Kooks are probably trying to bait us.

If this story is to have any impact, it will need to be corroborated.

26 posted on 07/01/2008 1:35:11 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Slapshot68

One can be a Senator or Representative if one is a naturalized citizen.

Representative Tom Lantos was a naturalized citizen born in Budapest, Hungary.


27 posted on 07/01/2008 1:37:31 PM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: gridlock

I’m aware of that. But do they have to prove they were naturalized before running?


28 posted on 07/01/2008 1:38:28 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: z3n

That’s pretty much what I said.


29 posted on 07/01/2008 1:38:34 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: TribalPrincess2U
It’s very simple to quell all this crap. Show us the real deal.

Another simple way to quell all this crap is to provide any evidence at all that Obama was born outside of the U.S.

30 posted on 07/01/2008 1:39:17 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: gridlock; David

>>>One can be a Senator or Representative if one is a naturalized citizen.

That is true. Let’s hope B.O. filed his naturalization papers. But ‘unverified’ rumor is he never filed for Selective Service.

If he didn’t complete the naturalization process, than as David said, he is an illegal alien.


31 posted on 07/01/2008 1:41:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: smoothsailing
US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Does it? I have never seen anyone quote the specific law that supposedly said that. Title and section and when was it supposed to have been passed?

32 posted on 07/01/2008 1:41:42 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Slapshot68
But do they have to prove they were naturalized before running?

To who?

33 posted on 07/01/2008 1:42:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Don’t they have to register to run? That would be a good place to begin the screening.


34 posted on 07/01/2008 1:43:49 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: MississippiMan

Yes. I participated in many discussions of Obama’s BC here and elsewhere and believed it was suspect.

I am now aware that there actually is an embossed seal on the certificate and that there is likely an official’s signature on the back.

The problems I and many others had with it have been addressed to my satisfaction.


35 posted on 07/01/2008 1:44:16 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Red Steel

Sunday, June 29, 2008

Freedom of Information Act Request for Barack Obama's Birth Certificate

I have written and will mail on Monday two Freedom of Information Act requests to the State of Hawaii for copies of Barack Obama's birth certificate as per Larwyn's suggestion. Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs argues that there may be no problem with Mr. Obama's birth certificate, but the State of Hawaii and Mr. Obama have an ethical obligation to come clean on this matter.

Mark Bennett, Attorney General
Department of the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813


Dear Mr. Bennett:

This is a freedom of information act request for the birth certificate of Barack Obama, born August 4, 1961. Because Mr. Obama is a public figure and because of the importance of this information to the public welfare the ordinary rules of confidentiality do not apply. I will be happy to pay your normal processing fee.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Langbert

Janice Okubo
Department of Health
State of Hawaii
1250 Punchbowl Street Room 326
Honolulu, Hawaii, 96813


Dear Ms. Okubo:

This is a freedom of information act request for the birth certificate of Barack Obama, born August 4, 1961. Because Mr. Obama is a public figure and because of the importance of this information to the public welfare the ordinary rules of confidentiality do not apply. I will be happy to pay your normal processing fee.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Langbert http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/06/freedom-of-information-act-request-for.html

36 posted on 07/01/2008 1:46:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Non-Sequitur

Good luck finding forty eight year old documents in a third world country.

It’s on him to prove he’s a natural born citizen. Constitutionally required.


37 posted on 07/01/2008 1:47:06 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Slapshot68
Don’t they have to register to run? That would be a good place to begin the screening.

Begin, maybe. But currently I don't know of a single state that does that.

38 posted on 07/01/2008 1:47:09 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Looks like it’s part of the the Immigration and Nationality Act.

http://www.theodora.com/ina_96_title_3.html

“g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;”


39 posted on 07/01/2008 1:48:11 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Red Steel
Obama wants everyone to see him as having the highest of integrity. When there are questions about his past, we find he is hastily sweeping everything under the rug.

Judicial Watch is seeking: “Any and all public documents…resulting from Illinois State Senator Barack Obama’s years in the office (1997-2004) that the ISA [has] in its possession.” Judicial Watch filed its open records request on February 7, 2008, after public statements made by Obama regarding his Illinois State Senate records.

These records are going to be as difficult to extract as is a birth certificate document which will answer the simple question about his place of birth.

There are other deceptions about Obama’s past that the Obama Campaign Machine will put forth to hide an examination on the personal character question. The birth certificate question is an example of the continuous series of deceptions that have been going on since Obama entered the scene. It is an example of a fundamental flaw in his character—deceitfulness—that cannot be a quality for the one we trust in the highest office in the United States.

We cannot allow a candidate to continuously mislead the public, staging fraudulent events, and manipulation the facts of his past in order to slip into the Presidency.

40 posted on 07/01/2008 1:48:16 PM PDT by jonrick46
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