Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pastor arrested at gay pride festival (Handed out flyer: Homosexuality is a sin)
kansas.com ^ | 06.30.08 | DANIEL MCCOY

Posted on 07/01/2008 7:23:43 PM PDT by Coleus

For the second consecutive year, a gay pride parade and festival was marked by the arrest of a Wichita pastor.
But for the vast majority of those who gathered Sunday afternoon at Naftzger Park for the event, the day was one of celebration. "It means a lot to me," said Ken Gehmlich, president of Wichita Pride, which sponsors the annual event. "I think it's great that we can come together as family." Organizers estimated that about 100 people walked in the parade and that more than 1,000 attended the festival, which featured live music and vendors. After the parade traversed a parking lot near the intersection of Main and English to the festival grounds, the group encountered a familiar face.
 
Pastor Mark Holick of Spirit One Christian Center and around 20 of his church's members had gathered near the park to distribute religious literature and express their belief that homosexuality is a sin.
 
"We expected him to be here," said Thomas Witt, vice president of Wichita Pride. Holick was arrested at last year's event on a charge of criminal trespassing, which was later dropped. In January, Holick filed a federal lawsuit against the city, claiming his free speech rights had been violated.  On Sunday, according to witnesses, Holick and other Spirit One members had entered the park and were attempting to hand out their literature.
 
Because the Pride organization had rented the park, it had the right to refuse entrance to anyone, Witt and police said. Holick and the others were asked to leave.
 
Protesters were allowed to congregate on the adjacent public sidewalks, provided their actions did not constitute disorderly conduct, added Sgt. Lem Moore of the Wichita Police Department. Police said witnesses told them that upon exiting, Holick removed his $5 admission button, asked for his money back and threw it at Witt, striking him in the arm. The incident was witnessed by several bystanders, including one who captured it on a hand-held video recorder Moore said. Witt decided to press charges. Holick was arrested on suspicion of battery, police said.
 
"At that point we took the individual into custody," Moore said.  Some Spirit One members expressed anger over Holick's arrest. Others hoped the incident wouldn't overshadow the group's reason for protesting. "We're not against the people. We just disagree with the lifestyle," said member John McDonald said. For Bruce McKinney, who helped organize the first such parade in 1990, the protest and Holick's arrest did nothing to dampen the mood of celebration.
"Everybody I've talked to loved the park and loved the event," he said. "I really feel like it was a phenomenal day."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; firstamendment; freespeech; gayprideparade; homosexualagenda; markholick; moralabsolutes; pastor; wichita
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-89 next last

1 posted on 07/01/2008 7:23:44 PM PDT by Coleus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

People marching in the 2008 Pride Parade walk north on Market St. About 100 people participated in the parade.
Jaime Oppenheimer/The Wichita Eagle
People marching in the 2008 Pride Parade
walk north on Market St.
About 100 people participated in the parade.

2 posted on 07/01/2008 7:23:57 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Coleus
"I think it's great that we can come together as family."

I always shudder when I hear a homosexual refer to "coming together", ESPECIALLY when it involves a family. Yes, I know - I hate Freudian psychiatry, too.

3 posted on 07/01/2008 7:26:19 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

IRS to church: Shut up – Church to IRS: No way
Now praying gets 7 Christians arrested
IRS probes Kan. church's political activity (It opposes abortion)

4 posted on 07/01/2008 7:27:03 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Coleus

The article reports actions by the pastor that are wrong - he went beyond handing out literature. I agree with his point of view - the Bible is clear about that. I disagree with the park being off-limits; renting out a government owned facility doesn’t turn it into private property. The pastor, as all Christians, should behave himself. Throwing something - even if it was harmless - displays arrogance. Not good for the Christians to behave in such a fashion.


5 posted on 07/01/2008 7:31:58 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Coleus

Wichita Population: 344284


6 posted on 07/01/2008 7:35:24 PM PDT by badpacifist (Personal attacks on someones opinion of a "news article" you happened to post is asinine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Hardastarboard

Just damm..
Never in my wildest dreams had I ever thought it would come to this point...

Malox ??? Rolaids ????

Nothing helps...

The sky is clear, but its raining..........


7 posted on 07/01/2008 7:36:58 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin

Our society is in a death spiral of moral rot. So very sad.

MM


8 posted on 07/01/2008 7:39:34 PM PDT by MississippiMan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin

Free speech is a thing of the past. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool. The 1st amendment is a liberal outlet only … conservatives need not apply.


9 posted on 07/01/2008 7:41:30 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: MississippiMan

Yes

This is what brought the glorious Roman Empire to its knees.

History repeats itself.


10 posted on 07/01/2008 7:42:58 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: doc1019

Sad
but true

So do we just fold our tents and move on ?
And if we resist...under what leader ???


11 posted on 07/01/2008 7:46:16 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Coleus
Pastor arrested at gay pride festival
(Handed out flyer: Homosexuality is a sin)


At the rate things are going, that will probably be a hanging
offense within our lifetime.

Unless the Gaystapo figures out the worst thing they could do
is create a martyr that about 85% of the population would identify with.
12 posted on 07/01/2008 7:49:18 PM PDT by VOA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Coleus
For the second consecutive year, a gay pride parade and festival
was marked by the arrest of a Wichita pastor.


Keep the faith, baby!

And don't let Wichita be warped into
"San Francisco on The Arkansas" (river, that is)
13 posted on 07/01/2008 7:51:23 PM PDT by VOA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Coleus
filthy disease ridden queers strike again...
14 posted on 07/01/2008 7:53:44 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin

Gay Pride Parade in Wichita, KS? Wow....of all places and in mid-America no less. I guess the American apple pie is getting rotten to its core!


15 posted on 07/01/2008 7:57:23 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: VOA

I don’t know about you but I am so tired of being the “Silent Majority”

The more I try to “Just get along”... the worse it gets...

These people see kindness as weakness...

Kind.. Yes

Weak..NOTTA !!!


16 posted on 07/01/2008 7:57:56 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Not good that he threw it, but you can see the police were there waiting for even the slightest justification to arrest him. In such circumstances the pastor should have been very careful.

But I still see this as another step towards us becoming like Canada with “hate speech” laws. And the sidewalk area where they could protest was just another version of the oxymoronic “free speech zones.”


17 posted on 07/01/2008 8:00:39 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: MississippiMan

I read that for the very 1st gay pride parade in San Diego, back in ‘73 or ‘74, the police told the organizers that they couldn’t guarantee their safety. At that time, the subject of homosexual pride and being so open about it was so shocking to people, that the police were afraid it would incite a riot.

I’m glad there was no violence, and that these parades are peaceful (if lewd sometimes). Just saying, the social climate around these events has really changed.


18 posted on 07/01/2008 8:01:13 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: VOA

Why is it that Gays and Lesbians have to march and parade for their proclaiming ‘rights’. How come we don’t see adulterers, fornicators, pedophiles etc... gathering together in pride marches? After all they partake in sexual deviancy too!


19 posted on 07/01/2008 8:03:18 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
The article reports actions by the pastor that are wrong - he went beyond handing out literature. I agree with his point of view - the Bible is clear about that. I disagree with the park being off-limits; renting out a government owned facility doesn’t turn it into private property. The pastor, as all Christians, should behave himself. Throwing something - even if it was harmless - displays arrogance. Not good for the Christians to behave in such a fashion.

This is right. He wasn't arrested for speaking. He was arrested for battery. If you are going to do something the police would like to arrest you for (speaking against homo behavior) but can't, you should make sure not to do other things they can arrest you for. Because you will be arrested.

20 posted on 07/01/2008 8:03:30 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Coleus

Was the Phelps gang picketing this gay event or do they only do their thing at military funerals?


21 posted on 07/01/2008 8:05:54 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Dilbert San Diego

Have you ever taken notice that the Normal ( moderates and conservatives ) people don’t riot..slash, burn or destroy other peoples property ??

The rioting, slashing, burning and destruction are done by__________. You fill in the blank.


22 posted on 07/01/2008 8:07:10 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin
So do we just fold our tents and move on ?

And if we resist...under what leader ???

You pose several relevant questions.

So do we just fold our tents and move on?

No, never … we must continue to struggle and attempt to enforce our 1st Amendment rights. We may lose, however, we would have tried.

And if we resist … under what leader???

To each his own, however, I will not vote for the lesser of two evils (never have, never will) … I will not vote this time around. And at my age and health, this will probably be my last presidential voting opportunity, I will pass (so to speak).

23 posted on 07/01/2008 8:09:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: antiRepublicrat

I agree - thin ice for free speech that is not PC, even though we have the 1st Amendment; which our neighbors to the north do not have. Recall the twisted application of RICO, with the “safety bubbles” around abortion mills? No free speech if it makes abortion seekers uncomfortable.


24 posted on 07/01/2008 8:11:56 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ModelBreaker

LOL

“He was arrested for battery. “

The pastor took a button and threw it and it hit the other guys arm...
A Button for gods sake... A BUTTON !!!


25 posted on 07/01/2008 8:17:12 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Coleus
Holick removed his $5 admission button, asked for his money back and threw it at Witt, striking him in the arm. The incident was witnessed by several bystanders, including one who captured it on a hand-held video recorder Moore said. Witt decided to press charges. Holick was arrested on suspicion of battery, police said.

Umm.... battery, for a little button thrown at someone (hitting the person in the arm)?

26 posted on 07/01/2008 8:26:04 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc1019

I understand how you feel... I feel much the same way.

However , a vote for “one” BLOCKS us completely..

A vote for the “other”...well..then we conservatives will still have a window of opportunity...

Hold your nose and vote. ;-)


27 posted on 07/01/2008 8:26:57 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Alouette
Was the Phelps gang picketing this gay event or do they only do their thing at military funerals?

Good question, since the Phelps gang's base in Topeka is only 140 miles away.

28 posted on 07/01/2008 8:28:44 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin

1. He shouldn’t have thrown anything at anybody.

2. He was crashing a private event.

3. Homosexual intercourse is a sin. So is remarriage after divorce. So is playing with oneself. So is the use of artificial birth control. Why is it that we Christians spend so much time and energy objecting to the first sin and less on the others? It can’t be that gay sex is worse than other sins — divorce and contraception in particular cause far more damage to society (and to human beings) than does b-—f-——g.

We are all sinners; the Gospel is a gift of love from one sinner to another, not a missile to be thrown at people. While I sympathize with those who desire to evangelize homosexuals, I do not see how being a dick brings them any closer to Christ — the only Hope any of us have.


29 posted on 07/01/2008 8:28:52 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
I disagree with the park being off-limits; renting out a government owned facility doesn’t turn it into private property.

Sure it does. If I rent a government-owned stadium to put on a concert, I get the right to exclude anyone who doesn't pay admission or meet whatever other requirements I may put in place, subject to civil rights legislation and other restrictions. I can certainly eject anyone who is disrupting my event.

30 posted on 07/01/2008 8:36:00 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan

Christ turned his back to no one.

He was and is is lovin and forgiving to all.

BUT...there was a caveat...

“GO AND SIN NO MORE”

Simple........


31 posted on 07/01/2008 8:36:20 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Coleus
Holick was arrested at last year's event on a charge of criminal trespassing, which was later dropped. In January, Holick filed a federal lawsuit against the city, claiming his free speech rights had been violated.

When the city dropped the charges, they pretty much lost this case. It is a slam dunk for Pastor Holick now. Same thing will happen with this arrest.

32 posted on 07/01/2008 8:41:32 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan

Homosexuality is a direct attack on the family and society, in a way that divorce (as bad as it is) and birth control is not.


33 posted on 07/01/2008 8:41:44 PM PDT by ikka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin
This is what brought the glorious Roman Empire to its knees.

FWIW, the maximum acceptance of open homosexuality coincided in time with the high point of both the Greek and Roman civilizations. As tolerance for these activities declined, so did the civilizations.

The death penalty for sodomy was in place in the Empire more than 100 years before the Western Empire collapsed.

More critically, Greeks and Romans had ideas about sex between men that just don't fit any modern template.

BTW, the Roman Empire often wasn't all that glorious for the majority of the inhabitants.

34 posted on 07/01/2008 8:41:57 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin

As someone who served in VN, I have nothing but praise for McCain’s service and his many obvious sacrifices for his country and fellow service members. However, over the past twenty years or so of service in our government … I see little to distinguish him from the liberals across the isle, and that worries me.


35 posted on 07/01/2008 8:43:07 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

Tick....

Tick....

Tick....

....

.....

.


36 posted on 07/01/2008 8:48:52 PM PDT by Rca2000 ( Hitler promised "change" too. "to the trains, move it along people, to the trains".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: All

I hope the Denver police watch the tape and use the same standards when deciding which protesters to arrest during the Democratic National Convention.


37 posted on 07/01/2008 8:50:12 PM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

You can google Homo / Bi sexuality in the Roman world and come up with a very ugly “can” of worms..

Spin it as you wish...

Nasty stuff.......


38 posted on 07/01/2008 8:53:50 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin

I didn’t say it wasn’t ugly. I said it was very different from any of today’s sexual patterns.


39 posted on 07/01/2008 9:09:21 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

No... I respectfully disagree.. however..

to late to debate.....
sleepy

thanks for giving me another area to to research :-)


40 posted on 07/01/2008 9:22:23 PM PDT by Thinkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Coleus

Are we talking Wichita.... KANSAS!?


41 posted on 07/01/2008 9:26:16 PM PDT by fwdude (If marriage can mean anything, then marriage means nothing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Thinkin
The pastor took a button and threw it and it hit the other guys arm... A Button for gods sake... A BUTTON !!!

Dude, that's misdemeanor battery. Look it up. I'm entirely sympathetic to the pastor's free speech rights and to what he was saying. But he was stupid and did his cause a disservice when he threw the button.

The cops wanted him gone. He gave them the perfect excuse.

42 posted on 07/01/2008 9:30:27 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
3. Homosexual intercourse is a sin. So is remarriage after divorce. So is playing with oneself. So is the use of artificial birth control. Why is it that we Christians spend so much time and energy objecting to the first sin and less on the others? It can’t be that gay sex is worse than other sins — divorce and contraception in particular cause far more damage to society (and to human beings) than does b-—f-——g.

This ranks as one of the top 10 idiotic posts I've ever seen on FR. And I am Catholic.

43 posted on 07/01/2008 10:09:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ikka
Homosexuality is a direct attack on the family and society, in a way that divorce (as bad as it is) and birth control is not.

LOL WUT??

Divorce (by breaking the God-ordained bond between husband and wife) and contraception (by acting to alienate the act of conjugal love from human life) are far more destructive to the institution of the family than is homosexual intercourse. Homosexual acts are by definition outside of and unrelated to family life; divorce is the murder of a family, while contraception is in direct contravention to God's command to be fruitful and multiply.

Society can survive any amount of gay sex, but it cannot survive without families and children, which are destroyed by divorce and contraception.

44 posted on 07/01/2008 10:37:20 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: buccaneer81

I’d be happy to point out the relevant portions of the Catechism to you.


45 posted on 07/01/2008 10:39:58 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan

“Why is it that we Christians spend so much time and energy objecting to the first sin. . .”

I think it’s because the homosexual groups are militant, and forcing social acceptance through our schools, military, and laws.

The other “sins” you mentioned (I am not sure myself about all of them, but whatever) are not being promoted with flags on the street, newspaper editorials, big fat parades, etc.


46 posted on 07/01/2008 11:00:16 PM PDT by Marie2 (It's time for a ban on handgun bans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ikka

Actually, I’d take issue with you and say that divorce, save for abuse, desertion or adultery, is a direct attack on the family.

It’s because so many heterosexuals have made a joke of marriage that the homosexual marriage movement has gotten as far as it has.


47 posted on 07/01/2008 11:01:41 PM PDT by Marie2 (It's time for a ban on handgun bans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

The article reports actions by the pastor that are wrong - he went beyond handing out literature. I agree with his point of view - the Bible is clear about that. I disagree with the park being off-limits; renting out a government owned facility doesn’t turn it into private property. The pastor, as all Christians, should behave himself. Throwing something - even if it was harmless - displays arrogance. Not good for the Christians to behave in such a fashion.”

That is a good point. It does not matter what people believe. However, Religion does not excuse harassment.


48 posted on 07/01/2008 11:03:40 PM PDT by punster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
1. He shouldn’t have thrown anything at anybody.

No, that is battery. It's illegal, and anyone who defends it is just as wrong. We should "keep our hands to ourselves", just as we should have learned in kindergarten.

2. He was crashing a private event.

Yes, it seems that he was.

3. Homosexual intercourse is a sin. So is remarriage after divorce. So is playing with oneself. So is the use of artificial birth control. Why is it that we Christians spend so much time and energy objecting to the first sin and less on the others? It can’t be that gay sex is worse than other sins — divorce and contraception in particular cause far more damage to society (and to human beings) than does b-—f-——g.

Perhaps because, as the Bible advises us, it is often easier to point out the mote than it is to remove the beam? "Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?" Matthew 7:3

We are all sinners; the Gospel is a gift of love from one sinner to another, not a missile to be thrown at people. While I sympathize with those who desire to evangelize homosexuals, I do not see how being a dick brings them any closer to Christ — the only Hope any of us have.

This.

49 posted on 07/01/2008 11:26:36 PM PDT by mountainbunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: buccaneer81

I agree. B-Chan must be a little light in the loafers to provide such a worthless post.


50 posted on 07/02/2008 6:16:29 AM PDT by ohioman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-89 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson