Posted on 07/01/2008 9:50:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
Defenders of Barack Obama, and sometimes Obama himself, seem frustrated that some American Jews refuse to assume their traditional role of support for the Democratic presidential nominee. The Obama defenders are irked that not all Jews accept at face value Obama's expressions of devotion to Israel and commitment to her security.[snip] [snip]
[snip]IS THERE anything in all this to suggest that in a potential crisis, when much of the world would be pressuring him to let Israel die, Obama would push all the naysayers aside and demand to "send them everything that can fly"? There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that he would be beyond persuasion when it came down to Israel's survival. In fact, all the available evidence indicates that the opposite is true.
That does not mean Obama will not carry the majority of the Jewish vote. Jews are overwhelmingly Democratic, and it is certainly the case that for many American Jews the secular liberal agenda takes precedence over everything else in presidential politics.
For these voters, then, "1973" is not uppermost in their minds. Their devotion to liberalism is controlling, and for their own peace of mind they are willing to accept Obama's generic expressions of warm feelings toward Israel........
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not in the 80-95% range that would put Florida in jeopardy.
If Israel is actually depending on a foreign president for survival, it’s a complete failure.
I hope you are right.
Sadly, you're probably right.
You could, of course, say pretty much the same for Canada.
surprised it is that high. his views on israel are not high.
Maybe, but I am Israeli & not Canadian.
Actually, it would be more appropriate to say such things of Canada. After all, it’s a “failed state” if there ever was one. Israel, on the other hand, seems to have its own independent nuclear force.
From what I’ve seen online, the newspapers in Israel do not think highly of Senator Obama. Would that be true?
more like scared to death . they are not fools.
It’s true, most do not like him.
Frankly, he scares me to death.
The fact that his minions are now tracking down critics and threatening them bodes no good for anyone.
The man’s a radical leftist white-hater. Even if he doesn’t get elected, the fact that he’s gotten this far & is considered a viable candidate by half the country is very bad news. It normalizes this kind of thing.
The one Jew who wont vote for a Dem is a senile drunk guy puking in the East Village on Nov 2nd.
All the others will be voting D.
Why are we subjected to the perfunctory "blacks look seriously at Republicans this year/Jews have second thoughts about Dems" propaganda pieces every year?
The press has moved beyond the predictable to the mundane.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Will Obama defenders be irked that not all Voters accept at face value O's expressions of devotion to America and commitment to America's security?
This jew will not vote for Obomba because his history indicates he stands for the destruction of BOTH Israel AND the US, regardless of what he has publicly stated.
My take as well. I haven’t seen anything positive about him in Israeli papers at all.
Imagining diversity is better than no diversity; that’s why.
btt
People say a lot of things about Jews, but they never accuse us of being stupid. Eventually the group *has* to wake up.
answer: Mossad has most likely confirmed that Obama is a Muslim. Muslims want to wipe out Jews.
Obama might get some of the young self-loathing jews you find in the northeast and california, but the large communities of older jewish all along the eastern seaboard who have much closer ties to Israel, including a huge concentration in the dems all important battleground state Florida means Obama Hussien has big, big problems.
I predict a somewhat large “Bradley Effect” on this..
One word: Hussein.
How stupid can the Jews be?
They support Olmert the appeaser and most likely will pull the lever for Obamma Lamma Ding Dong.
Obamma is the last person who will support Israel. But hey, who needs Israel anyway? When they are all pushed into the Med. maybe they’ll come to their senses.
Yeah, but Miami Beach ain’t exactly Tel Aviv. They have no sense of reality concerning Israel, I’ve found. They just simply don’t perceive a connection to what happens over there. Their loyalty is to big government first, and they don’t see the conflict between being a Jew and worshipping the state.
The funny thing is, most Christians and conservatives I know are very aware of Israel’s significance, and her right to exist.
“young self-loathing jews” Ive seen this phrase many times and dont have a clue to it’s meaning. Given the blatant anti semitic feelings of the RATS I cannot understand how anyone of the Jewish faith could vote D...boggles my mind.
There is a new theory that Israel will attack Iran before election day, because it would force Obama either to oppose the attack, and lose the Jewish vote, or support the attack and lose the left wing-nuts to Nader.
You could actually say pretty much the same for most of Europe.
And, I have yet to find any indication that the Jewish vote in the Northeast (mASS., NH, CT, NY, VT)is shifting from support for the Democrats.
Why would any self respecting Jew vote Democrat period?? Could a practicing Jew be for homosexuality and abortion??
What Bible are they using? The Old Testament is very very clear on these issues!
Sadly. many groups vote the way their parents and grandparents voted 50 years ago. They do not bother to become knowledgable about current events and facts.
Take the Catholic vote, for instance. In the 19th century, the Republicans on the NE coast ran nativist campaigns against “Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion”. They were reacting to the hoards of uneducated, and dirt poor Irish who were pouring into the NE cities. So. Catholics learned early on that the Republicans stood for anti-Catholic bigotry, and few new immigrants, whether German, Polish or Italian sided with the GOP.
The strong domination of the Catholic clergy/church by descendants of Irish immigrants, caused the allegiance to the Democratic party to continue, as it took at least a century for the Irish to emerge into a group with businessmen as well as laborers.
So, slowly, the culture issues have eroded the Democratic loyalty among practicing Catholics. Still old myths died hard, and many Catholics continue to be loyal to the Democrats with little logic behind it.
If Obama received only "50 percent or so of the Jewish vote," that would be almost historically unprecedented. Carer received 45% in 1980 to Reagan's 39%, but since then no Dem has received less than 64% and in the last four presidential elections the Dems have received a minimum of 76% of the Jewish vote.
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Reform Jews can. There are even women Rabbis even in the Orthodox ranks.
I don't think so.
“There are even women Rabbis even in the Orthodox ranks.”
“I don’t think so.”
A History of Women’s Ordination as Rabbis
by Avi Hein
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/femalerabbi.html
Why then do we republicans stretch our necks out for them? Go have Nancy Pelosi attack Iraq Iran for you.
" Names? How about the names of Rabbis that have granted smicha to a woman or women? Bupkes.
"Each movement, except the Orthodox, has come to accept the right of women to become rabbis after long periods of reflection and debate regarding their own religious philosophies."
That is not to say that there aren't very learned and great women. To the contrary, there are many women of Torah greatness, however, they have not received ordination.
Unless, that is, you can throw out a name or two and prove me wrong.
Dumb comment.
There are many Jews who are Republicans, for a start...
And, secondly, if we attack Iran, it would be because we see it as in OUR national interest to do so, and NOT for American Jews who happen to be liberal.
In a step that marks a major change in gender roles within modern Orthodoxy, women will be ordained as Orthodox rabbis.
Jerusalem’s Shalom Hartman Institute, founded by Rabbi David Hartman, himself a modern Orthodox rabbi, will open a four-year program next year to prepare women and men of all denominations - Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist and also Orthodox - for rabbinic ordination.
Ordination will be provided within the framework of a teacher-training program that prepares graduates to serve in Jewish high schools in North America.
“For too long now we have been robbing ourselves of 50 percent of our potential leaders; people who can shape and inspire others,” said Rabbi Donniel Hartman, co-director of the institute and son of David Hartman.
“The classic distinctions between men and women are no longer relevant. People who come to the Hartman Institute to study are committed to making gender equality in Judaism a reality.”
And we'll see whether Rabbi David Hartman is still a "modern Orthodox" Rabbi for much longer.
What exactly IS "modern Orthodox"? A little more observant than Conservative but not meshuggah frum?
A little more "enlightened" than the regular Orthodox, a lot more "enlightened" than Chasiddim, not quite as "enlightened" as the Conservative movement and a lot less "enlightened" than the Reform and a WHOLE lot less "enlightened" than the Humanists.
"Modern" Orthodox doesn't speak for the Orthodox.
Apparently Orthodox female rabbis have been ordained already. I am not jewish so I don’t know any more than that. I’m sorry if I offended you.
Oh really. So America attacked Iraq because of the Jews?
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