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The costs of waiting for Big Oil to do the right thing(Joe Kennedy Barf-O-Rama)
Boston Globe ^ | July 2, 2008 | Joseph P. Kennedy II and William F. Achtmeyer

Posted on 07/02/2008 6:42:11 AM PDT by GQuagmire

NOTWITHSTANDING a shift by big business to become more socially responsible, Big Oil prides itself in being an island of bullheadedness and smugness.

In a capitalist system, rewards of success go to shareholders. But Big Oil has virtually ignored an equally important constituency - the citizens of the United States - who have granted Big Oil the right to extract the nation's most strategic natural resources. In return, they expect them to act as responsible fiduciaries

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: asshat; barf; energy; joeforoil; joekennedy
Full disclosure: I tried to read the article,but6 I just couldn't do it. Enter at your own risk
1 posted on 07/02/2008 6:42:12 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: GQuagmire
Full disclosure. You were quite wise.

Just another state socialist rant from a trust fund baby and his sidekick.

2 posted on 07/02/2008 6:45:34 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: GQuagmire
Can't go there. The first 100 words of that article were plenty enough warning that I was about to read the words of a raving, leftist, lunatic.

I appologize for the redundancy.

3 posted on 07/02/2008 6:45:52 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: GQuagmire

Yup, I’m going to take advice about honest business from a Kennedy. The only Kennedy that even tried business was the crook rumrunner Ambassador Kennedy. After that, all the kids and grandkids have done nothing whilst living on the ill-gotten monies whilst fooling themselves into thinking they’re doing “public service”. What a bunch of loons.


4 posted on 07/02/2008 6:46:56 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: willgolfforfood

Use your own oil from Mokeen and Kenoil Dumbass.


5 posted on 07/02/2008 6:47:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: GQuagmire

These types of ideas- government intervention into “strategic” industries to decide what level of profit is “fair” — should send shivers down the spines of everyone. They want to socialize healthcare and energy. It will only be a matter of time before they go after other industries like pharma, groceries, multifamily, etc.

Truly ominous times we currently live.


6 posted on 07/02/2008 6:47:43 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: GQuagmire

Here is a little background on Little Joe and his mentor, Hugo Chavez and oil.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=326F8C57-1DCD-4BE3-B18C-6556B4ADDF74


7 posted on 07/02/2008 6:47:54 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: ishabibble

I am well aware of Comrade Joe’s pimping for HC.
every Nov. to March all I see on TV is him spouting off about this.I go through about 10 sets of batteries a winter changing channels to get away from his bleatings


8 posted on 07/02/2008 6:52:14 AM PDT by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: GQuagmire

I can tell you with certainty that “Big Oil” is NOT going to do the right thing as long as Congress has laws preventing Big Oil from doing the right thing.

What we need is for Congress to do the right thing. But I would not hold my breath. It’s Congress that created this mess to begin with.


9 posted on 07/02/2008 7:00:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: GQuagmire

I saw Joe Kennedy and thought immediately of the bootlegger and German sympathizer. Didn’t know there was a Joe Jr. But it doesn’t surprise me. The Kennedys reproduce like rats.

But I guess that makes up for the high attrition rate in the clan in later life due to various factors.


10 posted on 07/02/2008 7:05:04 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: GQuagmire

Yo, Squeaky. Big oil has done a hell of a lot more for me than you Kennedys ever could.


11 posted on 07/02/2008 7:06:25 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: GQuagmire

Kennedy is an idiot. (It doesn’t matter which Kennedy I am referring to!)

For those who are too stupid to understand economic issues about “Big Oil” - let’s try to give a few points to consider:

1. There is oil in the ground, but it is hard to get out, and there is risk in trying to do so. It is very expensive to drill wells.

2. States and the US Government could opt to set up their own “corporation” to drill oil, and they could sell it (or they could build their own refineries and try to compete with big business, but they would be assuming all the risks, and the costs that go with them.

3. States and the US Government make much more money that big oil does, and they do it in a nearly risk-free environment. They lease lands (or off-shore areas) for big money (auctioned to highest bidder), and the oil companies must win the auction and then spend more money to determine if and where the oil is, and if the risk of drilling a well is worth the investment. If the oil company does’t drill wells and start paying royalties on every barrel pumped out of the ground, the leases expire and revert to the state. If the oil companies DO develop wells in the lease area, they must now pay royalties on all the oil pumped out.

4. In the mean time, the governments merely tack on taxes to the finished product, and make more in taxes than the business makes in profit.

5. The stupid (or evil) politicians decry the “excess profits” - but their socialist attack is focused only on the oil companies. Why not excess profit taxes on Big Software Companies, Big Banks, or Big College Text Book publishing companies - all who make more profit (as a percentage of sales and infrastructure investments) than the oil companies.

So - I would love to see Joe Kennedy invest his family fortune in creating the “Kennedy Oil company” - and let him take the risks and still turn a profit (but take the smaller profit that he thinks that the big oil companies should limit themselves to ....)

There is more, but this is the general idea.

And let’s remember a few other basic things also -

a. The government has sold leases, and then refused to allow the oil companies to drill in the lease area (i.e. -they reneged on their contract.)

b. The government, through the courts, will, from time to time, engage in litigious activities against the oil companies, deciding that their hiring/firing practices are illegal, or their previous actions years ago violated certain standards that didn’t exist when the actions were done, and the oil company must charge a reasonable extra profit to cover the risk of litigation and run-away jury awards. (Think of the Exxon Valdez incident, where corporations that fire alcoholics can be sued for treating their “disease” as something other than a sickness, but then Exxon faces the risks of allowing Joe Hazelwood to continue in his job ..... and punitive damages that far exceed reasonable costs are a part of risk that must be planned for. Think of the company that had a drilling station in the arctic - where they fired 3 people that they had conclusive proof that the 3 were using drugs. A 3 judge panel affirmed a lower court decision that the firing was improper, and awarded big fines to the 3 individuals. The dissenting judge said that the courts sent a strong message to companies - “sued if you do, sued if you don’t” - because if the company had failed to fire the 3, and then there had been an accident that contaminated areas of the arctic, the company would have been held negligent for retaining the individuals, but the company was being held to an impossibly high standard with respect to hiring & firing, evidentiary rules, etc. that would make it impossible to fire anyone.

Businesses take the risks, and are entitled to a reasonable profit. Those that disagree can invest their own money and create an alternate business and then sell their product or services for less and undercut the “big bad businesses” ...that is the American Way!!


12 posted on 07/02/2008 7:23:49 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: Vineyard

Yeah, it matters what Kennedy you refer to. Rosemary was the smart one.


13 posted on 07/02/2008 7:25:16 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: GQuagmire

I feel the urge to buy Jow a hydrogen powered limousine...convertible.


14 posted on 07/02/2008 7:33:05 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Obama is the feces created when shame eats too much stupidity.)
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To: GQuagmire

Isn’t this the weasel who is a friend of Hugo Chavez? He must have a pecuniary interest in beating up on U.S. oil companies. We need to stop running the country for wealthy elitist crooks and start running it for the public.


15 posted on 07/02/2008 7:37:38 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: SAJ

“Just another state socialist rant from a trust fund baby and his sidekick.”

Not only is he a trust fund baby. The Robber Barron Kennedy’s signed tons of oil rights contracts in the South and every Kennedy gets royalties annually from these cheap leases. The more Joe can limit supply, the more they make.

Remember the stories of the Kennedy’s owning a lot of slum housing and then voting for housing support for the poor? I never knew if that was true but the oil story is.


16 posted on 07/02/2008 7:47:43 AM PDT by paguch
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To: GQuagmire
In a capitalist system, rewards of success go to shareholders.

Pitiful, Joe.

17 posted on 07/02/2008 7:50:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: GQuagmire

Of course the Rats had not a thing to do with this oil problem. What a big crock of BS from liberal land.


18 posted on 07/02/2008 8:03:16 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: SAJ

The pity is that 99% of the American idiots otherwise known as voters believe this bull shit.

What the oil companies and the cigarette makers also is to call a press conference. At the press conference the presidents of the companies should state, “Since we are considered to be the most vile entities in the universe by most, we intend to make amends. AS we speak, out mechanics and technicians are destroying the technical equipment used in our refineries and plants to make our products. While they are doing that, our accountment departments are paying our employees in full and terminating their services. And the disabled equipment, tanks, piping, andother misc. equipment will be sold for scrap. This concludes our press conference. Have a nice day.”


19 posted on 07/02/2008 8:04:51 AM PDT by sport
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To: GQuagmire

Bill Phillips spent nearly 50 years in the US oil and gas industry; most of his career was with the Phillips Petroleum Company. Bill is a descendant of Frank Phillips. Frank
Phillips, along with his brother Lee Eldas (L.E.) Phillips, Sr., founded the original Phillips Petroleum Company in 1917 in Bartlesville, OK. Do you remember Phillips 66 gas
stations? Phillips Petroleum Company merged with Conoco, Inc. in 2002 to form the current ConocoPhillips oil company.

So, when Bill talks about oil and gas issues, I tend to listen - very closely. I think that you will find Bill’s thoughts and facts very revealing, very compelling and very difficult to argue with. As you prepare to cast your crucial ballots this Fall, please think long and hard about the far-reaching, cumulative effects of the US political philosophies, policies and
legislation that have contributed to ! the cur rent and future US oil supply situation.

May 28, 2008,”Big Oil”

Did you know that the United States does NOT have any big oil companies. It’s true: the largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil, is only the 14th largest in the world, and is dwarfed by the really big oil companies—all owned by foreign governments or government-sponsored monopolies—that dominate the world’s oil supply. This graph below tells the story; you can barely see the American oil companies as minor players on the right side of the chart in gray. The chart was presented to the House committee last week by Chevron. With 94% of the world’s oil supply locked up by foreign governments, most of which are hostile to the United States, the relatively puny American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus, ExxonMobil, a “small” oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it re fines for the U.S. market from the big players, i.e, mostly-hostile foreign governments. The price at the U.S. pump is rising because the price the big oil companies charge ExxonMobil and the other small American companies for crude oil is going up as the value of the American dollar goes down. They will eventually bleed this country into printing even more money and we will go into runway inflation once again as we did under the Carter Democratic reign. This is obviously a tough situation for the American consumer. The irony is that it doesn’t have to be that way. The United States—unlike, say, France—actually has vast petroleum reserves. It would be possible for American oil companies to develop those reserves, play a far bigger role in international markets, and deliver gas at the pump to American consumers at a much lower price, while creating many thousands of jobs for Americans. This would be infinitely preferable to! shipping endless billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia, Russia and Venezuela to be used in propping up their economies. So, why doesn’t it happen? Because the Democrat Party—aided, sadly, by a handful of Republicans—deliberately keeps gas prices high and our domestic oil companies small by putting most of our reserves off limits to development. China is now drilling in the Caribbean, off Cuba but our own companies are barred by law from developing large oil fields off the coasts off Florida and California. Enormous oil-shale deposits in the Rocky Mountain states could go a long way toward supplying American consumers’ needs, but the Democratic Congress won’t allow those resources to be developed. ANWR contains vast petroleum reserves, but we don’t know how vast, because Congress, not wanting the American people to know how badly its policies are hurting our economy, has made it illegal to explore and map those reserves, let alo! ne deve lop them. In short, all Americans are paying a terrible price for the Democratic Party’s perverse energy policies. I own some small interests in tiny, 4 barrel-per-day oil wells in Wyoming. We have 14 agencies that have iron-hand jurisdiction over us. If we drop any oil on the ground when the refinery truck comes to pick up oil from our holding tanks, we are fined. Yet down the road the state will spray thousands of gallons of used oil on a dirt road to control dirt. When it rains that oil runs into rivers and creeks. Yet a cup of oil on the ground at our wellhead is a $50,000 EPA fine plus additional fines from state regulating agencies. They treat oil as if it were plutonium that has the potential to leak into the environment. We are fined if our dirt burms are not high enough around a holding tank, yet the truck that picks up our oil runs down the road at 60 mph with no burm around i! t. Peop le wonder why there is no more exploration in this country. It’s because of the regulators; people who have lived their whole lives doing nothing but imposing fines on small operators like us for doing mostly nothing. So, America enjoy your $4.00 per gallon gasoline. Your dollar is now worth 0.62 Euro-Cents. The lack of American production of GNP, the massive trade deficit (as labor markets have moved overseas to fight insanely high union imposed labor costs in America) and the run away printing of money (backed by nothing of value here in America) has caused the dollar to become more worthless on the international market. And that’s where our oil comes from. It’s paid for with dollars that become more worthless everyday. If we had just kept par with the Euro we’d be paying $62 dollars per barrel for oil (42 gallons) or about $1.50 instead of $2.50 a gallon for crude oil. What the US government also does not tell you is that! It is the leaseholder and royalty recipient of most oil production and receives 25% of the gross oil sales before we pay for electricity to lift the oil, propane to keep the oil-water separators from freezing in the winters. We pay a pumper to visit each well everyday plus we have equipment failures all the time. We pay for that out of our 75% of gross sales. The government does not share in any expenses to run any production well. So, if the Big Oil Companies are making record profits, then so is the federal government from it’s 25% tax on every molecule of oil sold to a refinery in this country. Why isn’t the government on the stand for “Record” profits? What you don’t see is this 25% of the sales price of crude oil being siphoned away by the government. That money plus the road taxes, state taxes, etc. amounts to over $1 per gallon of gasoline you are buying while the governments only admit to about 50 cents per gallon. To ! all you Democrats, when you go vote for your candidate, a blazing liberal like Barrack Hussein Obama or Hillary Clinton, just keep in mind that their liberal spending habits will further decrease the value of the American dollar on the world market and your gasoline costs will hike even higher. As they introduce more give-away programs, raise taxes on everyone to pay people not to produce or work, your dollar will continue to dwindle on the world market and you will be paying $10.00 per gallon at the next election. Cheap hydrocarbon fuel is all over. Enjoy! Enjoy the fruits of your decision to elect these folks when you are there in that voting booth and you stab your pin through a Democrat’s name.

William “Bill” Phillips


20 posted on 07/02/2008 8:05:42 AM PDT by Broker (Grandpa Petti Bones wants to know.)
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To: All; GQuagmire

Libs claim Big Oil doesn’t want to drill, they only SAY they do.

Well, let’s allow Big Oil to drill wherever they want, and remove the strict regulations, and call Big Oil’s “bluff.”


21 posted on 07/02/2008 9:22:56 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GQuagmire
While Jo Kennedy is castigating Big Oil and chasing after castles in the air, the ruskies, the arabs and other non-democratic states are digging our graves with oil profits. There is no evidence that oil is created solely by dead dinosaurs. Hydrocarbons abound on Titan. Peak Oil or (that's all there is and its running out) is a scare tactic that most are too afraid to oppose for fear of standing up for rational thought. Oil is there for the taking but enough of us have lost the will to survive that the entire nation is doomed. We are not a has-been nation whose time in the sun is over simply because we are afraid of hydrocarbons.... It's time to survive and not dream of what if....

You can't put a gun to the heads of scientists and engineers and command them to 'invent' us out of the need for oil.....there are no new technologies that can prevent us from starving to death and imploding into civil-war depression in the next 5 years.

Oil is the name of the game in spite of the energy-anorexic liberal mantra of alternative fuels...

22 posted on 07/02/2008 9:56:07 AM PDT by x_plus_one (let them eat cake, drive small electric cars and take the bus..........)
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To: GQuagmire

So the authors work for free and give away all their existing accumulated wealth?


23 posted on 07/02/2008 10:00:16 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: x_plus_one

“There is no evidence that oil is created solely by dead dinosaurs.”

You are correct; there is no evidence whatsoever.

In fact, oil in the Gulf of Mexico seemed to regenerate.


24 posted on 07/02/2008 10:01:00 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GQuagmire

“...the citizens of the United States - who have granted Big Oil the right to extract the nation’s most strategic natural resources...”
Another air headed Kennedy. So what is it, we are “to reliant on foreign oil” or “we are allowing the evil capatilsts to pilfer our natural resources.”


25 posted on 07/02/2008 10:02:40 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: GQuagmire
bumper-sticker
 
 

Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

26 posted on 07/02/2008 10:21:19 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GQuagmire
The original "Wizard of Uhs". The stupidest member of the clan (hard to believe given the competition, eh?), a shill for Hugo Chavez, a bad driver, a fallen Catholic, both a fellow traveler and a useful idiot, it's hard to believe it wasn't him that ran into the tree.

At least in this attempt he gives his co-writer credit. Usually these pretentious asshats stiff the ghostwriter.

27 posted on 07/02/2008 11:02:59 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Broker
Bill Phillips on gasoline

OT ~ William "Bill" Phillips on Oil and Gas



Subject: Bill Phillips on Gasoline

Bill Phillips spent nearly 50 years in the US oil and gas industry;
most of his career was with the Phillips Petroleum Company. Bill is a
descendant of Frank Phillips. Frank Phillips, along with his brother
Lee Eldas (L.E.) Phillips, Sr., founded the original Phillips
Petroleum Company in 1917 in Bartlesville, OK. Do you remember
Phillips 66 gas stations? Phillips Petroleum Company merged with
Conoco, Inc. in 2002 to form the current ConocoPhillips oil company.

So, when Bill talks about oil and gas issues, listen - very closely.
You will find Bill's thoughts and facts very revealing, very
compelling and very difficult to argue with.

-----------

As you prepare to cast your crucial ballots this Fall, please think
long and hard about the far-reaching, cumulative effects of the US
political philosophies, policies and legislation that have contributed
to the current and future US oil supply situation.

Did you know that the United States does NOT have any big oil
companies. It's true: the largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil,
is only the 14th largest in the world, and is dwarfed by the really
big oil companies -- all owned by foreign governments or government-
sponsored monopolies -- that dominate the world's oil supply.

With 94% of the world's oil supply locked up by foreign governments,
most of which are hostile to theUnited States, the relatively puny
American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to
significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus,
ExxonMobil, a "small" oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it
refines for the U.S. market from the big players, i.e, mostly-hostile
foreign governments. The price at the U.S. pump is rising because the
price the big oil companies charge ExxonMobil and the other small
American companies for crude oil is going up as the value of the
American dollar goes down. They will eventually bleed this country
into printing even more money and we will go into runway inflation
once again as we did under the Carter Democratic reign.

This is obviously a tough situation for the American consumer. The
irony is that it doesn't have to be that way. The United States--
unlike, say, France--actually has vast petroleum reserves. It would be
possible for American oil companies to develop those reserves, play a
far bigger role in international markets, and deliver gas at the pump
to American consumers at a much lower price, while creating many
thousands of jobs for Americans. This would be infinitely preferable
to shipping endless billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia, Russiaand
Venezuela to be used in propping up their economies.

So, why doesn't it happen? Because the Democrats -- aided, sadly, by
a handful of Republicans --deliberately keep gas prices high and our
domestic oil companies small by putting most of our reserves off
limits to development. China is now drilling in the Caribbean, off
Cuba but our own companies are barred by law from developing large oil
fields off the coasts of Florida and California. Enormous oil-shale
deposits in the Rocky Mountain states could go a long way toward
supplying American consumers' needs, but the Democratic Congress won't
allow those resources to be developed. ANWR contains vast petroleum
reserves, but we don't know how vast, because Congress, not wanting
the American people to know how badly its policies are hurting our
economy, has made it illegal to explore and map those reserves, let
alone develop them.

In short, all Americans are paying a terrible price for the Democrat's
perverse energy policies. I own some small interests in tiny, 4 barrel-
per-day oil wells in Wyoming. We have 14 agencies that have iron-hand
jurisdiction over us. If we drop any oil on the ground when the
refinery truck comes to pick up oil from our holding tanks, we are
fined. Yet down the road the state will spray thousands of gallons of
used oil on a dirt road to control dirt. When it rains that oil runs
into rivers and creeks. Yet a cup of oil on the ground at our wellhead
is a $50,000 EPA fine plus additional fines from state regulating
agencies. They treat oil as if it were plutonium that has the
potential to leak into the environment. We are fined if our dirt burms
are not high enough around a holding tank, yet the truck that picks up
our oil runs down the road at 60 mph with no burm around it. People
wonder why there is no more exploration in this country. It's because
of the regulators; those people who have lived their whole lives doing
nothing but imposing fines on small operators like us for doing mostly
nothing.

So, America enjoy your $4.00 per gallon gasoline. Your dollar is now
worth 0.62 Euro-Cents. The lack of American production of GNP, the
massive trade deficit (as labor markets have moved overseas to fight
insanely high union imposed labor costs in America) and the run away
printing of money (backed by nothing of value here in America) has
caused the dollar to become more worthless on the international
market. And that's where our oil comes from. It's paid for with
dollars that become more worthless everyday. If we had just kept par
with the Euro we'd be paying $62 dollars per barrel for oil (42
gallons) or about $1.50 instead of $2.50 a gallon for crude oil.

What the US government also does not tell you is that it is the
leaseholder and royalty recipient of most oil production and receives
25% of the gross oil sales before we pay for electricity to lift the
oil, propane to keep the oil-water separators from freezing in the
winters. We pay a pumper to visit each well everyday plus we have
equipment failures all the time. We pay for that out of our 75% of
gross sales. The government does not share in any expenses to run any
production well. So, if the Big Oil Companies are making record
profits, then so is the federal government from it's 25% tax on every
molecule of oil sold to a refinery in this country. Why isn't the
government on the stand for "Record" profits? What you don't see is
this 25% of the sales price of crude oil being siphoned away by the
government. That money plus the road taxes, state taxes, etc. amounts
to over $1 per gallon of gasoline you are buying while the governments
only admit to about 50 cents per gallon.

To all you Democrats, when you go vote for your candidate, a blazing
liberal like Barrack Hussein Obama or Hillary Clinton, just keep in
mind that their liberal spending habits will further decrease the
value of the American dollar on the world market and your gasoline
costs will hike even higher. As they introduce more give-away
programs, raise taxes on everyone to pay people not to produce or
work, your dollar will continue to dwindle on the world market and you
will be paying $10.00 per gallon at the next election. Cheap
hydrocarbon fuel is all over. Enjoy! Enjoy the fruits of your decision
to elect these folks when you are there in that voting booth and you
stab your pin through a Democrat's name.

William "Bill" Phillips

28 posted on 07/02/2008 11:20:10 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

Looks great .... Thanks


29 posted on 07/02/2008 3:05:39 PM PDT by Broker (Grandpa Petti Bones wants to know.)
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To: GQuagmire
...the citizens of the United States - who have granted Big Oil the right to extract the nation's most strategic natural resources.

I wonder if he mentions the Congress, temporarily granted the ability to stand squarely in the way of anyhing getting done in over half of the Nation West of the Mississippi and 85% of the Continental Shelf?

Somehow, I'm betting he missed that.

30 posted on 07/02/2008 4:49:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: GQuagmire

Citizen Energy is all about Joe Kennedy, right down to their phone number, 1-800-JOE4OIL. I think he started the organization, hoping to fashion a base for a run for the Governorship of MA, but his personal life got in the way, with his nasty divorce. So now he just does shameless self-promotion disguised as ‘public service’.


31 posted on 07/03/2008 12:08:44 AM PDT by SuziQ
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