Skip to comments.Obama Campaign Site: Israel "Murdered" U.S.S. Liberty Sailors
Posted on 07/02/2008 10:22:56 AM PDT by Winged Hussar
It has been established [http://husaria.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/obama-campaign-sanctioned-anti-semitic-and-other-hate-speech/] that Barack Obamas official campaign site exercises editorial control over the content of my.barackobama.com, and is capable of finding and removing offensive and disrespectful material within two days. The following has been online for almost three weeks. It accuses Israel of deliberatly murdering the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty, American Jews with divided loyalties of complicity, and John McCains father of complicity in a cover up. The following entry is sanctioned (tolerated) by Barack Obamas official campaign...
Now, we come to what has happened in the past few years. A man called A. J. Cristol, a Jewish bankruptcy judge from Florida, wrote a book called THE LIBERTY INCIDENT, in which he says Israel is exonerated for the attack on the LIBERTY because it was a case of mistaken identity. The book is full of lies, falsehoods and continues the cover-up for Israels blatant murder of American sons on the high seas. The survivors call this book a bunch of hog wash. Guess who endorses this book as factual? YEP! You guessed it - Senator John McCain. He knows all about the cover-up on the LIBERTY attack but he follows in his fathers footsteps and praises this piece of garbage. He, along with his father, has the blood of the LIBERTY crew on his hands.
... All McCain cares about is the Jewish vote and pleasing Israel. No one should be allowed to get by with murder, not even Israel nor our elected officials. They all should be held accountable for the murders and wounding of Americans and the subsequent cover-up, especially Senator John McCain.
(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.com ...
Doesn’t leave much to the imagination, does it?
Hussein is an Arab. I have no doubt.
No matter how much you [and I] detest Obama, this has no bearing on the fact that Israel intentionally fired on the U.S.S. Liberty and killed a number of American sailors and that our government intentionally covered it up.
Meanwhile, at the United Nations, United States Ambassador Goldberg announced, in response to Arab complaints that the U.S. and British were supporting Israel in the conflict, that the U.S. forces were hundreds of miles from the conflict.(p.21) At the time the statement was made, this was the case, since the Liberty was just entering the Mediterranean Sea  but would ultimately steam to within a few miles of the Sinai Peninsula. On the night of June 7 Washington time, early morning on June 8, 0110Z or 3:10 AM local time, the Pentagon issued an order to Sixth Fleet headquarters to tell the Liberty to come no closer than 100 nautical miles (185 km) to Israel, Syria, or the Sinai coast (Oren, p. 263). (pages 5 and Exhibit N, page 58). According to the Naval Court of Inquiry  (page 23 ff, p. 111 ff) and National Security Agency official history  (pp. 21-23), the order to withdraw was not broadcast on the frequencies that the Liberty crew was monitoring for orders until 1525 Zulu, hours after the attack, due to a long series of administrative and communications problems.Our ambassador said no American ships were within a hundred miles of the conflict, while the Liberty (due to communication failures, the same kind that allowed Japan's success at Pearl Harbor) entered the war zone. A cluster foul-up waiting to happen, and it did.
Good to know.
I'd be sorry to see Obama elected, but a glimmer of sanity and truthfulness in our relations with the state of Israel would be a not-insignificant consolation prize.
Maybe A+bert can come back for his comic relief on this issue.
The attack was deliberate and they honestly expected the vessel to sink with all hands. They shot up the life boats as well as the rest of the forward part resulting in it being totaly unseaworthy. The capt and crew of CTs sailed that vessel 700 miles backward into port with no life boats. The Johnson Administration had sixth fleet recall all aircraft before they could come to their aid.
Admiral McCain was CINCPACFLT at the time of the attack. He was later appointed to head a court of inquiry. Unfortunately, much of the logs and messages were conviently kept from the court. The cover up was accomplished by the Johnson Administration and not by any group of officers on a court of inquiry. The military didn’t have the authority, power or brass balls to conceal the facts from congress or the public. Congress was controlled by the Democrats at the time with us up to our eye balls in Vietnam.
Assuming that blaming (and punishing, I suppose) Israel for the 1967 Liberty incident is “a glimmer”, what the whole “sanity and truthfulness in our relations with the state of Israel” in your opinion would come to?
If this is true, did they know that the Liberty was an American ship? I read at the time that the Israelis mistook it for an Egyptian ship.
Well, allot of idiots on this website agree.
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There are a lot of people on THIS website that say the same thing.
Israel did indeed attack the Liberty knowing it was a US warship, and they did indeed knowingly kill our men. I applaud Obama for his willingness to expose that incident for what is was. Better than I can say for ALL of the Presidents from that time forward.
I have kept up with this incident since it happened, and have yet to see ANYTHING that would lead me to believe it was an accident. Careful analysis showed why the ship was attacked and that it was done very much on purpose.
It was flying a HUGE US flag, hailing the attacking planes on all frequencies, including pre-arranged US-Israel frequencies, and had men on the deck trying to wave them off. We identified those tiny little specs in the sky as Israeli ... do you suppose the Israeli were the sight impaired with that large ship?
The Egyptions had no ship even closely resembling the Liberty. Israeli pilots are well trained and well briefed before making an attack.
Do your homework.
It would start by recognising that our interests and theirs may overlap at points but at other points are quite distinct.
LOL! I haven't thought of that crank in forever.
Just because the ship displayed an American flag doesn’t necessarily indicate that it was American. During World Wars I and II, ships, especially those of the Central and Axis powers, often flew flags of countries other than their own.
In any case, it is safe to assume that had the ship not been hanging around in the middle of a war zone, it would not have been attacked.
You ignored the other, more meaningful indicator. Egypt did not have, nor ever will have, a ship with a silhouette anything like the Liberty. Furthermore, the Israeli had been notified in advance that the vessel would be present. The case has been fully documented in the public domain. It has been covered up by our government and the media. The attack was deliberate, and the Israeli knew the ship was American. You aught to research the topic, as you would find their reasons interesting. It was a matter of breaking Israeli codes and then broadcasting their intentions in the clear. From the Israeli standpoint, the US ship was breaching their security and divulging battlefield tactics to the enemy.
If your mission is to collect intelligence, you have to go where you can see/hear your targets. "Faint Heart Ne'er Won Fair Maiden."
They always come slithering out of their holes with the Liberty incident. Next we will hear about a friend of a friend of a grandmother who cuts some friends hair who has their nails done by a great aunt, whose son mowes the lawn of someone who knew a Liberty survivor. And as G*d is their witness this is what they said. Usually it ends with them blaming some minority group they think that owns the banks, papers, hollywood and controls the bathroom keys to the congressional toilets. ;-)
A concept definately lost on some folks.
If this is true, then we were, indeed, cruisin' for a bruisin' by stickin' our nose where it don't belong.
Well, no. As an American, I have my country’s interests at heart. The subjection of the West Bank and Gaza and the relocation of Israel’s capital do nothing to promote those interests.
You are not well informed about much of anything, it seems. First, The Mediterranean is considered "international waters" by even the Israeli. Second, we were there to support Israeli operations. Third, we are in constant need to know what is going on in the world, particularly during hostilities. Warfare affects financial and economic welfare of the US even when we are not directly in the fray.
It must be nice to have a simplistic world view.
Whatever happens in that region will affect "my county's interests", usually in relation to the free flow of oil. Gathering intelligence is vital to protecting our interests, regardless of Israel's behavior.
You don't really believe that the US can operate to protect our own interest devoid of "signal intelligence", do you?
Also, how we punish Israel for the 1967 friendly fire mishap?
Second, we were there to support Israeli operations.
How so? For one thing, at the outbreak of the war, President Johnson exhorted Americans to practice neutrality "in word, thought and deed." For another thing, you yourself stated in post #21 that you aught [sic] to research the topic, as you would find their reasons interesting. It was a matter of breaking Israeli codes and then broadcasting their intentions in the clear. From the Israeli standpoint, the US ship was breaching their security and divulging battlefield tactics to the enemy. How does that amount to "support for Israeli operations"?
Third, we are in constant need to know what is going on in the world, particularly during hostilities.
If, as you imply in post #21, we intended to meddle and to undermine Israel's war effort, that goes beyond merely gathering intelligence.
You are not well informed about much of anything, it seems...It must be nice to have a simplistic world view.
Can we not hold a rational discussion sans the personal insults?
That seems to be the most logial explanation.
Sez you. You're entitled to your opinion; I don't share it.
In whose interests is it?
The whole world has an interest in the peace and prosperity of the Middle East. Speaking as one concerned with justice, I care about justice there as well.
Also, how we punish Israel for the 1967 friendly fire mishap?
I don't recall any friendly fire mishaps in 1967.
You're obviously clueless about military intelligence. Way to piss on dead sailors.
However, I don't believe this is true. I accept the standard explanation that the sailors aboard the USS Liberty were tragic victims of friendly fire brought on by a series of miscalculations, snafus, and "the fog of war."
What was friendly fire about that?
Friendly fire incidents are all about mistaken identity. They are accidents. Not relevant to the Liberty incident.
I'm neither a witness nor a military man, though I rely on info from a military historian, a friend of mine. Long story short, Soviet fleet in 1967 was protecting Egypt from the sea and sea approach for fighter jet was assumed impenetrable. Israeli pilots, however, used technique developed by our guys in Nam and flew their jets at about 10+ feet above sea level - below Soviet radars. You must know the history - attack was devastating for Egyptians and it was a bruised ego for Soviets.
So, when Israelis all of a sudden discovered a spy ship right by their noses, they asked US fleet if it was ours. Response was no - no our ships are where Israel says... Israelis assumed that it is either Egyptians or Soviets under US flag trying to prevent the next surprise and bombed the ship. Unfortunately info that it is CIA operation came a bit late for many of our sailors.
You can dislike Israel and you are free to feel that way. However, to insist that Israelis made a deliberate attack on the US ship is quite an way to feed this feeling! For what reason they attacked?? Israelis already had their hands full with Arab states, Soviets were threatening with a direct attack and annihilation - so, attack us to make it a full house??
4 letter word happens in war.... We bombed a few Canadians into oblivion in Afghanistan, for one. Liberty was a tragic mistake.
Have a happy 4th of July.
President Johnson is such a font of credibility. < /sarcasm>
...divulging battlefield tactics to the enemy. How does that amount to "support for Israeli operations"?
It wasn't much help, was it? I recall that breach was caused by excited youngsters operating outside of training by yaking with friends on other vessles. (I'm thinking back to material I read in the 1970s.)
Can we not hold a rational discussion sans the personal insults?
Sorry, my bad. That is one thing I hate about discussions on this board myself. I get peeved when anyone thinks we are "meddling" or "poking our nose where it doen't belong". We have a right and a need to gather intelligence anywhere or anytime we please. If we are hammered inside territorial waters, then we should take our lumps. Otherwise, we should be very upset when attacked.
Recently, Gene Lalor put up a USS Liberty thread and it was quickly taken down. I pointed out that the incident was well explained in the book “The Spymasters of Israel”. Since there have been many USS Liberty threads on FR in the past, I was surprised to find that there are no google hits for “USS Liberty” and “Spymasters of Israel” on Free Republic. So I’m reposting part of what I wrote here for future reference.
THE SHAME OF THE USS LIBERTY Dec 19, 2008 ... You need to read a book called The Spymasters of Israel. They detail that the USS Liberty was a signals intelligence ship and that it had ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2151823/posts - 37 minutes ago - Similar pages
Thanks. That thread got Gene banned. No doubt for his “hypothetical” question.
IIRC his hypothetical question was something like, which side would you be on in a war between Israel & the US.
It’s sorta the opposite of which side would you have been on in NAZIs vs Bolsheviks... in that case it was bad guy vs. bad guy and in this case it’s good guy vs. good guy. So the obvious answer is... whoever wins ;-)
Yep, that was the question. I tried to warn him about the Liberty threads and pinged the mod ‘cuz I figured where it was going.
And it went there ...
Oh hey, helps to read ALL the comments, I just got up, just starting my first cup o’ coffee, fighting off a damn cold. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it. Thanks for the explanation fellas about the ‘hypothetical’ question deal.
I need some Jewish Penicillin (aka chicken soup), hey Gene?!? You got any Hebrew National Chicken-Vegetable soup?