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Police Chief: Officer Accused Of Choking Civilian Was Disciplined [Video of choking]
NewsChannel5 ^ | 7/1/08

Posted on 07/02/2008 12:10:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker

MOUNT JULIET, Tenn. - A Midstate man said a police officer nearly choked him to death during a traffic stop.

The incident was caught on tape.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation is investigating how Mount Juliet Cpl. Bill Cosby interacted with James Anders, Jr.

Cosby stopped the 26-year-old Wilson County man in April.

Cosby suspected Anders hid marijuana in his mouth. The officer used a vascular restraint technique to keep Anders from swallowing.

On the video recorded inside Cosby's patrol car, Cosby said he smelled marijuana and handcuffed Anders and his passenger.

The video also showed the officer putting his hands around Anders' neck. He applied pressure and told Anders to stick out his tongue. This happened for nearly two minutes before Anders lost consciousness.

Photographs released by Anders' attorney showed injuries he sustained when he fell to the pavement.

Cosby didn't find any marijuana in Ander's mouth. Anders passed a drug test the next day.

A small bag of pot was found in his car and Anders was arrested for simple possession and resisting arrest.

After the district attorney saw the video, the charges were dropped.

Anders is expected to file a lawsuit in federal court later this month.

Cosby is still on the job.

After viewing the tape, General Sessions Judge Barry Tatum dismissed all Cosby's cases. He called what Cosby did inexcusable and said Cosby is no longer welcome in his court. In essence, any tickets he writes now are meaningless. The judge will dismiss them.

Anders' attorney said there's no excuse for strangling a man helpless and handcuffed.

"Clearly his constitutional rights were violated. He was choked," said Garry Vandever, Anders' attorney.

Vandever said Anders is fine but he still upset over what happened.

Anders is expected to file a lawsuit in federal court later this month.

Andy Garrett was sworn in as the new police chief Monday night.

"I have viewed the tape. I wasn't on board when this happened," he said. "It is an incident that's been addressed internally through training and discipline with the police officer. Any further investigation that's going to be done by an outside agency will be referred to the city attorney," said Garrett, a 25-year Metro Police Department veteran who recently commanded the force's Central Precinct.

He succeeds former Mount Juliet Police Chief Ted Floyd who retired several months ago.

In a letter sent to the new police chief and obtained by NewsChannel 5, Tatum said he's "dismissing all cases Corporal Cosby has pending" in his court.

Tatum also indicated that he's "dismissing any (future) cases he attempts to bring."

Tatum said Cosby has "cast a permanent cloud over law enforcement and the judicial system."

"We trust that an officer has to have the type of demeanor that when someone is treating them badly, spitting on them, trying to hit them, that that officer will have restraint in his actions toward that person," said Wilson County General Sessions Court Judge Bob Hamilton.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: accused; choking; disciplined; donutwatch; jbts; leo; marijuana; officer; policechief; wod
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Perhaps a better video here.
1 posted on 07/02/2008 12:10:58 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Wonder how long it will take for the boot lickers to show up here and tell us all how the cop was completely justified....


2 posted on 07/02/2008 12:13:02 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: LibWhacker

But if you REALLY want to learn how to choke someone, you need to take lessons from the jailers in PG County, Maryland.


3 posted on 07/02/2008 12:13:12 PM PDT by WayneS (Sarcasm Alert!!! (for the thick-headed))
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To: frankiep

Probably not long.


4 posted on 07/02/2008 12:13:58 PM PDT by WayneS (Let's have More Andy Taylors & Fewer Barney Fifes in Law Enforcement!!!)
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To: LibWhacker

Fire that son-of-a-b*tch and take away his pension.


5 posted on 07/02/2008 12:15:46 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (This tagline is completely naked - STOP STARING!)
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To: LibWhacker
After viewing the tape, General Sessions Judge Barry Tatum dismissed all Cosby's cases. He called what Cosby did inexcusable and said Cosby is no longer welcome in his court. In essence, any tickets he writes now are meaningless. The judge will dismiss them.

Well, there goes the revenue stream. Not much reason to keep Cosby on the force unless there is some way to make sure his tickets only go before another judge.

6 posted on 07/02/2008 12:23:39 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: KarlInOhio
General Sessions Judge Barry Tatum dismissed all Cosby's cases. He called what Cosby did inexcusable and said Cosby is no longer welcome in his court.

So the Judge has prejudged all of Cosby's cases, not much of a judge.

7 posted on 07/02/2008 12:28:01 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: LibWhacker
I see this technique used all the time on the 'Cops' Tv seriers.

The perp ususlly coughs up several little baggies of crack.

8 posted on 07/02/2008 12:28:37 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: LibWhacker
The cop was clearly wrong... but what's up with that last statement?

"We trust that an officer has to have the type of demeanor that when someone is treating them badly, spitting on them, trying to hit them, that that officer will have restraint in his actions toward that person," said Wilson County General Sessions Court Judge Bob Hamilton.

Cops are citizens too and should be able to defend themselves in the course of their duties.

9 posted on 07/02/2008 12:30:28 PM PDT by pgyanke ("Huntered"--The act of being ignored by media and party to prevent name recognition)
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To: frankiep
i'm here! the cop smelled drugs and was right. there were drugs.

swallowing drugs happens all the time and is usually the first place you look. it's evidence tampering and it's a felony in most places.

so go ahead and tell me that a little pot is no big deal. hindsight is 20/20. policing isn't pretty sometimes.

10 posted on 07/02/2008 12:33:58 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: pgyanke
"We trust that an officer has to have the type of demeanor that when someone is treating them badly, spitting on them, trying to hit them, that that officer will have restraint in his actions toward that person," said Wilson County General Sessions Court Judge Bob Hamilton.

I agree with you. I don't like cops who act like bullies, but if someone is trying to spit on a cop, or hit him, that someone needs a good butt-whooping.
11 posted on 07/02/2008 12:36:55 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: thefactor

2 of the first 10 posts supporting police violence, in this case choking someone until he passed out. No big surprise.


12 posted on 07/02/2008 12:38:19 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: TexasCajun
The perp ususlly coughs up several little baggies of crack.

Well, then the perp will die of an OD, his family will sue and win millions for wrongful death, but at least the cop did not choke him.

/sarcasm

13 posted on 07/02/2008 12:38:31 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: LibWhacker
I can understand trying to prevent a suspect from swallowing evidence, but in this case it seems like the suspect had plenty of opportunity to swallow any evidence before the officer put his hands on his neck, so there seems to be little reason for him to believe that the suspect had something in his mouth, unless the suspect sounded like he had something in his mouth when he talked, which I couldn't tell from the bad audio.

It sounds like a technique that is useful and reasonable in some circumstances was used when it shouldn't have been. It didn't seem like the officer was being malicious, just foolish.

The video was just a clip, so it's hard to tell if the suspect was cooperating or not, so there might be more to this than is obvious, but it is really strange that the officers didn't do a better job of controlling the suspect for his own safety. There's seems to be no good reason for the suspect to have been allowed to fall and hit his head. They had him cuffed, and even if he wasn't cooperating, which is unclear, he wasn't actively resisting either.

The officers screwed up. What's not clear to me is how badly they screwed up.

14 posted on 07/02/2008 12:39:43 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: frankiep

Which two?


15 posted on 07/02/2008 12:45:29 PM PDT by pgyanke ("Huntered"--The act of being ignored by media and party to prevent name recognition)
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To: frankiep
not for nothin frankie, but if this drug user/dealer was black and had just sold some drugs to a kid related to you somethin tells me you'd feel differently.

this is like tasing. it looks all scary, but when it comes down to it, it's a relatively safe exercise where the perp is fine 10 minutes later. but the point is, the cop had cause. that's all.

16 posted on 07/02/2008 12:46:51 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: LibWhacker

Another pig on a power trip. He must have been teased in grade school.


17 posted on 07/02/2008 12:48:07 PM PDT by Darth Hillary ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, Because folks in Philly like a good brawl.")
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To: thefactor

So now I’m a racist?

Talk about twisted logic...


18 posted on 07/02/2008 12:48:16 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: frankiep

Wonder how long it will take for the boot lickers to show up here
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Officer smelled drugs. There were drugs and it is common for drug runners to try to swallow drugs to hide evidence and to resist arrest. I’d like to see the rest of this officers record before I side with those ready to bash cops so readily. I’ll give you 10 to 1 odds the judge in this case takes drugs regularly. The fact that a judge rules one way or the other, these days, doesn’t mean much. For a judge to issue a blanket statement that the cop is unwelcome in his courtroom in the future is, in itself, suspect behavior from a judge who should form an opinion on the case before him. It appears to me that the Judge is reacting in an unfair and arbitrary manner. I’ll back the cop for now until I see his entire record that might give us more insight into his character and performance. I question the character of both the punk and the judge.


19 posted on 07/02/2008 12:49:58 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: frankiep

lol you beat me to it, the ‘LEO IS NEVER WRONG’ crowd should be along soon.

It should scare the devil out of other freepers to contemplate that even members of this forum support the actions of this officer, or other similar cases.


20 posted on 07/02/2008 12:50:49 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Michael.SF.

“So the Judge has prejudged all of Cosby’s cases, not much of a judge. “

He is sending a signal to the PD to get rid of this cop. Maybe he can get a job in your neighborhood?


21 posted on 07/02/2008 12:52:44 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: frankiep

nope. i’m just saying you are being persuaded by how the media presents this kind of stuff. out of context and biased. when it’s a white kid who looks like next-door johnny people are outraged. the fact is that similar things occur daily in the projects (rightfully so usually) and no one says word one and there are definitely no news stories about it.


22 posted on 07/02/2008 12:52:54 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: thefactor
but if this drug user/dealer was black and had just sold some drugs to a kid related to you somethin tells me you'd feel differently.

What difference would the "color" of the person make? Oh, and BTW, swallowing the drugs is not "evidence tampering" nor is it a felony in any jurisdiction I know of.

The cop was wrong on many levels not the least is that he did not have probable cause to do a cavity search of this individual. The old excuse of "I just KNEW he had drugs on him" doesn't cut it.

23 posted on 07/02/2008 12:53:10 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: LibWhacker
FASCISM! POLICE STATE! BUSH'S FAULT!

I say let them swallow the crap, take em in, put em in a cell then do a test 40 minutes later. They can arrest you for resisting arrest on probable cause anyways.
24 posted on 07/02/2008 12:53:32 PM PDT by Coffee200am
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To: LibWhacker

Looks to me like the town needs a different judge also.
Is it proper for a judge to prejudge all past and future cases involving this officer? Something is fishy here. I am now wondering if the judge is on the take, the judge knows the family of the drug runner or the judge buys his drugs from the drug runner. I’d investigate this judge.


25 posted on 07/02/2008 12:53:38 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: thefactor

Here is the rest of the story. This same cop has been sued for excessive force before. A few years ago he beat and kicked handcuffed man who was lying on the ground apparently for no other reason than he was angry with him. The city of Lebanon, Tennessee paid out $250,000 in punitive damages in the lawsuit. The cop is a jack booted thug.

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8580865


26 posted on 07/02/2008 12:53:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Joan Kerrey

I don’t care what the judge says. I don’t need a judge to tell me if a cop is on a power trip and acting improperly. Even if he did smell drugs, so the hell what? He was not being physically attacked, nor was anyone else, and he did not have a court order to physically assault the man in the hopes of finding evidence.


27 posted on 07/02/2008 12:53:51 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Michael.SF.
So the Judge has prejudged all of Cosby's cases, not much of a judge.

Actually a good judge; he is basically telling the PD that the JBT should be fired.

28 posted on 07/02/2008 12:55:41 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: Prokopton

thats funny. because i have arrested people on that exact charge for these exact actions and the ADA kept the charges.


29 posted on 07/02/2008 12:57:16 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: thefactor

I suggest that you cease presuming that you know me, how I think, and who or what persuades me. The fact is that this cop was not in any physical danger, nor was anyone else at the scene, yet he took it upon himself to physically assault the man in the hopes of finding evidence.
Is that what they teach police? To choke someone who is already subdued as a method of trying to get what they are looking for?


30 posted on 07/02/2008 12:57:47 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ve noticed lately that a lot of LEO’s refer to non-LEO’s as “civilians”

Which branch of the Military do the LEO’s serve under?


31 posted on 07/02/2008 12:59:09 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Blood of Tyrants

fair enough. this cop could be a total d-bag and require the proper discipline. there are plenty out there who could use some time off the street. but that doesn’t mean he had no right to believe this kid swallowed drugs.


32 posted on 07/02/2008 12:59:14 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: frankiep

Three trains of pro-cop thought

1) judge is on the take or uses drugs
2) almost-racism
3) reasonable search tactic that would leave suspect fine in 10 minutes (ignoring bruises)

One should easily see from examining these threads the underlying currents in society which support the formation of the more brutal police states - there is always a portion of the population which supports authoritarian tactics, no matter what.


33 posted on 07/02/2008 1:02:09 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: TomServo

I’ve noticed that too. It really is quite disturbing.


34 posted on 07/02/2008 1:02:46 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: WoofDog123
He is sending a signal to the PD to get rid of this cop

So another words he is judging him before the cop has had a trial.

Maybe that is the kind of Judge you want in your neighborhood.

35 posted on 07/02/2008 1:02:52 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: frankiep
police are taught many techniques that look mean and scary in the context of a news story such as this. and i don't have to presume how you think. you have made it quite clear.

police are allowed to kick down a door given certain circumstances. mostly if there is a chance evidence is being destroyed. i don't see a real difference here.

no one ever said the cop was in physical danger. thats not part of the story. it's simple evidence recovery.

36 posted on 07/02/2008 1:03:33 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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>"so go ahead and tell me that a little pot is no big deal."

It is a LIVING substance created by G_D! As opposed to toxic enzymatic excrement!

The law causes MORE damage than the vegetable matter does! That's a FACT!

Look at one of the great things enzymatic excrement prohibition gave us------- The Kennedys!!!!!

The continued prohibition of plant matter has CREATED the horribly destructive murderous black market gangster society. LEO prohibition MAKES the problem in the first place!

I am far from an anarchist. I appreciate what LEOs do. They have to put up with some cerially degenerate scum. Pot heads are NOT scum. They are generally very peaceful G-d fearing people, who just want to live in peace.

Now crack and meth ought to be given away on the streetcorner with propane torches blazing for free! Of course the morticians would be working overtime for a couple of weeks, but the problem would soon burn itself out!

37 posted on 07/02/2008 1:04:25 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back" -Homers guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: frankiep; thefactor
I suggest that you cease presuming that you know me, how I think, and who or what persuades me.

LOL! What a hypocrite!

You're the nitwit who opened the thread with a very fine example of what you wish others to "cease" doing to you.

38 posted on 07/02/2008 1:04:33 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: frankiep; thefactor

I will admit that finding that an alleged LEO is among the vocal supporters of this cop is somewhere between appalling and depressing. My sarcastic comment about finding this cop a job in his jurisdiction may have had more serious merit that I thought.


39 posted on 07/02/2008 1:04:58 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: suijuris
Call me old fashioned.
40 posted on 07/02/2008 1:05:18 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: Michael.SF.

Is this multiple choice? You can have the cop, I will take the judge, possible fleas and all.


41 posted on 07/02/2008 1:06:42 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: thefactor
To 'Serve and Protect' is so 1950's. To 'Harass and Abuse' is a more fitting logo for modern Enforcer's.
42 posted on 07/02/2008 1:07:06 PM PDT by Darth Hillary ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, Because folks in Philly like a good brawl.")
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To: thefactor

“no one ever said the cop was in physical danger. thats not part of the story. it’s simple evidence recovery. “

I would like to draw attention to this comment, for those that missed it. Your attitude actually illustrates quite a bit.


43 posted on 07/02/2008 1:08:05 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Joan Kerrey
Is it proper for a judge to prejudge all past and future cases involving this officer?

Looks like from some of the responses here the answer to that would be yes.

44 posted on 07/02/2008 1:08:51 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: rawcatslyentist
wow. ok.

i would love to introduce you to the multitude of people/families i have seen devastated by your little natural green friend. you and your pot-smoking friends are god-fearing nice people. great. good for you.

i just wish you could see how many people were hurt and the level of crime committed during the process of growing the drug thru putting it in your pipe.

now go ahead and tell me: legalize it!!! you certainly love the exclamation points. knock yourself out.

45 posted on 07/02/2008 1:09:34 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: WoofDog123
LOL.

Fair trade, a bad cop for a bad Judge!

46 posted on 07/02/2008 1:09:48 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: r9etb

I did? Where was this?

I opened up the thread by wondering how long it would take for the legions to come on here and justify police brutality.

What exactly are you talking about?


47 posted on 07/02/2008 1:11:06 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Darth Hillary
do you consider getting drug users/dealers off the streets part and parcel to protecting law-abiding citizens?

how about getting individuals who are possibly high on drugs out from behind the wheel of a car? should police do that?

48 posted on 07/02/2008 1:12:39 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: thefactor
i'm here! the cop smelled drugs and was right. there were drugs.

The cop choked him until he passed out. That is attempted murder. I hope he gets millions.
49 posted on 07/02/2008 1:13:04 PM PDT by microgood
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To: thefactor

I just want to get this straight. Basically what you are saying that is that a police officer, if he even thinks that someone is doing something questionable, is perfectly justified in attacking another person. Did I miss anything?


50 posted on 07/02/2008 1:14:46 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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