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THE DEBT: WHAT AMERICA OWES BLACKS: Is America ready to pay reparations for its sins of slavery?
eurweb.com ^ | 07/03/08 | William Reed

Posted on 07/03/2008 5:20:26 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

Segments of Americans are gearing up to oppose Senator Barack Obama because they fear he will be more considerate of the debt America owes to Blacks.

Anti-Obama whites, in particular, are concerned he’ll get into the White House and put Blacks on track for “a reparations gravy train.”

CNN debate moderator Anderson Cooper put Black Reparations on track to be a part of the presidential dialogue during the South Carolina Primaries.

The African-American vote in South Carolina was very important, and that made the reparations question relevant in the Democratic Debate. At that event former Senator John Edwards said “ I'm not for reparations…but I think there are other things we can do to create some equality that doesn't exist in this country today” he said, going on to talk about inequities African Americans experienced paying mortgages in Charleston, S.C., where the debate was held.

When Cooper asked Sen. Barack Obama about reparations he sidestepped a yes or no answer instead preferring to redefine reparations to make it part of a broader conversation about economic justice. “I think the reparations we need right here in South Carolina is investment, for example, in schools.” Obama said.

To corner Obama and nail all the candidates down, Cooper asked for a show of hands and questioned: “Is anyone on the stage for reparations for slavery for African-Americans?” The only “yes” came from Congressman Dennis Kucinich who said: “The Bible says we shall be and must be repairers of the breach. And a breach has occurred. We have to acknowledge that. It's a breach that has resulted in inequality in opportunities for education, for health care, for housing, for employment.”

From then on, reparations have been an issue in the campaign. America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure, including the U.S. Capitol. While Obama dodges the issue, his “old church, Trinity United Church of Christ, lists “The Debt: What America Owes To Blacks, by Randall Robinson (Penguin Putman Inc., 2000) as recommended reading”. In The Debt, Robinson argues that America still owes an enormous debt to Africans and African Americans for the incalculable damage that backs have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of two hundred and fifty years of slavery and segregation.

Barack’s birthright brothers many whites; but Wautella Graham of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America (N’COBRA) breaks the question of slavery into four categories of involvement: victims, collaborators, perpetrators and beneficiaries and makes the point that, “Even immigrants and people whose ancestral line contains no slaveholders should pay reparations, since every American benefits from slavery.”

Slavery victimizes free blacks to this day. All American people are responsible for the debt America owes.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: extortion; obama; racehustlers; reparations; reveseracism; stickittowhitey
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1 posted on 07/03/2008 5:20:27 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3
I WISH Obama would support reparations for blacks over slavery. That would be the END of his candidacy!
2 posted on 07/03/2008 5:22:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Let’s see, the British brought African slavery to the North American continent, so...thta’s the first place that reparations should begin.


3 posted on 07/03/2008 5:24:27 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Anti-Obama whites, in particular, are concerned he’ll get into the White House and put Blacks on track for “a reparations gravy train.”

When I talk to friends and family about Obama, I do not hear crap like the above from them. As a matter of fact, this is the first time I have even heard such a claim. Not once have I heard this from anybody I talk with. They say he is inexperienced, but nothing about a reparation gravy train.

4 posted on 07/03/2008 5:25:20 AM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Very few whites are descended from slave owners or Confederate soldiers. Now a whole lot of blacks, OTOH, . . .


5 posted on 07/03/2008 5:25:27 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Here we go! Gee, as a Native American (part) how much will I owe?? I’m certain I oppressed someone!!


6 posted on 07/03/2008 5:25:36 AM PDT by Snow Eagle (Portsmouth FReep)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“reparations” were made from 1861-1865 with the lives of those who “paid” the ultimate price for the freedom of slaves...

next case...


7 posted on 07/03/2008 5:26:03 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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bump


8 posted on 07/03/2008 5:26:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TornadoAlley3

The companies I worked for have “profited”. I had to provide my own housing and clothing and food. I need reparations.


9 posted on 07/03/2008 5:26:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: TornadoAlley3
“Even immigrants and people whose ancestral line contains no slaveholders should pay reparations, since every American benefits from slavery.”

Slavery victimizes free blacks to this day. All American people are responsible for the debt America owes.”

I am delighted to see that the people stuck on RESERVATIONS will have an opportunity to pay reparations.

Puking.

10 posted on 07/03/2008 5:26:40 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: TornadoAlley3
America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure, including the U.S. Capitol.

You have to have a sub-standard IQ to think like that.

11 posted on 07/03/2008 5:27:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: cookcounty

Agree, start with the Brits.

But I am of Welsh heritage and my ancestors (along with the Irish) suffered in the coals mines of eastern Pennsylvania. Do I get reparations?

Nobody from the civil war is alive and my ancestors arrived on shore after the civil war. So why do I have to pay reparations?

Sure, let’s give each black gang banger, murderer, rapist and welfare deadbeat reparations. Do successful black actors, athletes, lawyers, doctors, etc. also get reparations?

This is insane.


12 posted on 07/03/2008 5:28:28 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: TornadoAlley3

We have paid and paid and paid. Now it is time for people no matter what their circumstances to quit being victims and get educated and start working as hard as they can to make a life for themselves in the free enterprise system.


13 posted on 07/03/2008 5:28:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Snow Eagle
Here we go! Gee, as a Native American (part) how much will I owe?? I’m certain I oppressed someone!!

AND:

"I am delighted to see that the people stuck on RESERVATIONS will have an opportunity to pay reparations. Puking. "

Wow. One minute apart.

14 posted on 07/03/2008 5:29:03 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: TornadoAlley3

And before I go to work here; it’s not what “America owes Blacks” it’s what “Blacks owe America!”

I think JFK said it best.

Have a good one!


15 posted on 07/03/2008 5:29:18 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Snow Eagle

I remember reading something way back in 1969 that over 60% of the U.S. population was biracial or multiracial.

This reparations talk is nonsense. We don’t punish people now for something that happened nearly 160 years ago.


16 posted on 07/03/2008 5:29:25 AM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Been giving crack heads and welfare hos my money since I was fifteen and began work. They owe me, I think.


17 posted on 07/03/2008 5:30:34 AM PDT by Mr. Pumblechook
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To: kellynla

What about FICA and the Great Welfare State LBJ tried to create?


18 posted on 07/03/2008 5:30:54 AM PDT by MissEdie (On the Sixth Day God created Spurrier)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Let’s say reparations happens (it already has, to the tune of 41 trillion in wealth transfer over the last 40 years).

The economy, of course, will suffer big time.

However, there will be those few entrepeneurs out there that see the way to get their own wealth out of this.

Within 5, maybe 10 years at the outside, the poor people that received their reparations (after massive skimming from agencies like Jackson and Sharpton) will end up right where they are now, and some “white folks” will end up with all the wealth, all over again, simply because of their value systems and commitment to self denial in the pursuit of wealth building.

Now, depending on the amount of pain involved, some of us might be willing to pay “reparations” with the stipulation that ALL preferences for minorities be removed. NO “black only” institutions or programs allowed, just as there are no “white only” institutions or programs allowed today.


19 posted on 07/03/2008 5:31:24 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Number 1. Slavery was legal until it was not.

Number 2. See number 1.


20 posted on 07/03/2008 5:33:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Why don’t we just rectify the problem by “making them whole” and send them back where they came from.


21 posted on 07/03/2008 5:33:43 AM PDT by Aria (Obama: Potluck for President! "I serve as a blank screen on which people..project their own views")
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To: cookcounty
Let’s see, the British brought African slavery to the North American continent

So did the Dutch. But slavery began in the Middle East where they sold their own people into slavery, not to mention they kept slaves themselves up until slavery in the Middle East wasn't outlawed some time in the 1970s if my information is correct.

22 posted on 07/03/2008 5:34:00 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: TornadoAlley3
I call for reparations be paid to all of the soldiers (or their descendants,) both white and black, who died fighting to keep this Union whole, and to make all men free.

I think that by the above sacrifice, ‘reparations’ to former slaves were made. The only other reparation necessary is to return those people, or their descendants, back to the homeland from which they were stolen and sold into slavery, should that be their desire. Otherwise, it's been 143 years since the end of the Civil War, so any National or Corporate liability has long since lapsed.

23 posted on 07/03/2008 5:34:21 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Mr. Pumblechook
Been giving crack heads and welfare hos my money since I was fifteen and began work. They owe me, I think.

Ditto, except for my money was SEIZED from me via taxes. There was no 'give' to it.

24 posted on 07/03/2008 5:34:23 AM PDT by abb (Organized Journalism: Marxist-style collectivism applied to information sharing)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Will Obama have to PAY reparations?
25 posted on 07/03/2008 5:34:55 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: TornadoAlley3
the debt America owes to Blacks

I think it's the other way around.

ML/NJ

26 posted on 07/03/2008 5:36:16 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: TornadoAlley3

No reparations without repatriation.


27 posted on 07/03/2008 5:36:19 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: TornadoAlley3

bfl


28 posted on 07/03/2008 5:36:19 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: TornadoAlley3

I thought the “Great $ociety” took care of this.


29 posted on 07/03/2008 5:36:46 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: YellowRoseofTx

The first slaves were brought here, to the Virginia colony, by the Portugese. They were employed under the same conditions as indentured servants, until a court case changed their status.


30 posted on 07/03/2008 5:38:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
There's no need.


31 posted on 07/03/2008 5:39:02 AM PDT by rdb3 (Upward, onward, beyond...)
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To: cookcounty
America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure, including the U.S. Capitol. While Obama dodges the issue, his “old church, Trinity United Church of Christ, lists “The Debt: What America Owes To Blacks, by Randall Robinson (Penguin Putman Inc., 2000) as recommended reading”.

I wonder if Randall calculated the debt that the former slaves owed for transportation to a new country and free housing and meals. Obviously, that is a ludicrous thing to claim they owe; but then again the claim that the country now owes descendents of the slave billions of dollars for the slaves' labors is also ludicrous, especially in light of the tremendous benefit these descendants have in living in the US as opposed to Africa.

32 posted on 07/03/2008 5:39:29 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: cookcounty

That is what I was coming on to say. To listen to the pundits today, Americans are the only ones who ever held slaves. That just shows the remarkable lack of knowledge (or acknowledgement of) history. Slavery is mentioned in the Bible. In history, the Middle East and North Africa held Europeans as slaves long before America was founded.


33 posted on 07/03/2008 5:39:47 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: cookcounty
Let’s see, the British brought African slavery to the North American continent, so...thta’s the first place that reparations should begin.

Actually, while I agree with your premise the British would be the SECOND place reparationis should begin. The first place reparations should begin is with the descendants of the BLACK Africans that captured other black Africans and sold them to the British.

34 posted on 07/03/2008 5:41:01 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: TornadoAlley3
640,000 deaths during the Civil War to eliminate slavery, the larger percentage of them Union troops (and, yes, some blacks).

I say, "Paid In Full."

35 posted on 07/03/2008 5:41:02 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: kellynla
“reparations” were made from 1861-1865 with the lives of those who “paid” the ultimate price for the freedom of slaves...


100% correct.


These non-assimilating relatives of black slaves have been paid in full. In fact, they owe all of America a debt of gratitude, which they can pay by melding in to American society, and getting on their knees, thanking God that they are in The United States of America.



36 posted on 07/03/2008 5:42:58 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Pay attention here ... neither Obama, nor any of hi ancestors, have ever suffered from America's behavior towards blacks, because his father and his father's ancestors were always in AFRICA.

If anything, Obama is an interloper who used his black skin to unfairly get into schools that if he were Asian, would not have been admitted into.

37 posted on 07/03/2008 5:43:17 AM PDT by ikka
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To: TornadoAlley3

> Is America ready to pay reparations for its sins of slavery?

Slavery is certainly an anti-social and unpleasant thing to do to one’s neighbor, but I am unaware which of the 10 Commandments makes it a Sin... or which of Christ’s Commandments says “thou shalt not take thy brother into Slavery’. Can someone enlighten me?


38 posted on 07/03/2008 5:43:18 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I supported Herman Cain in his run for the Senate. And if he ever runs again, I would probably support him again.

I also consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, both are black.

Sowell, Williams and Cain – among others — have spoken out against those fellow blacks who castigate and vilify America for a slavery now long in our past. And ALL thinking men and women oppose the periodic calls for reparations.

The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something:

They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE!

Had their ancestors NOT been brought OUT of Africa – many by Muslim slave raiders —the blood of those ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago, victims of the OTHER black tribes that captured them in one of the interminable tribal conflicts STILL ravaging that sad continent and these modern day would-be “plaintiffs” would not even exist.

And I would remind you that slavery is STILL practiced in parts of Africa (mainly by muslims) and Asia today.

95% of the African slaves who were transported across the Atlantic went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions, and that less than 5% of the slaves who crossed the Atlantic went to the United States, it was remarkable that the vast majority of academic research, films, books and articles concerning the slave trade concentrated only on the American involvement, as though slavery was a uniquely American aberration.

And should the great-great-great grandchildren of SLAVE OWNING BLACKS also be subject to PAYING these reparations? If so, how do we find THEM?

And I have traced MY family back to the SLAVS. For those who don’t know, that word means “slave.” Do I qualify for reparations? From whom??

The official US Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners.
-”Selling Poor Steven”, American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90

Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a telling of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony:
Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers’ Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378

And the holier-than-thou Northern liberals are strangely silent on recent archeological evidence from NEW YORK CITY clearly tracing the financing of the slave trade to NORTHERN BUSINESSMEN!!

At the height of his remarkable boxing career, Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Clay), once declared “I’m glad my great-grandpa got on that boat.”

And author Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.

Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice, “Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”

Next problem!


39 posted on 07/03/2008 5:44:17 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Little Ray

Would Obama have to pay himself?


40 posted on 07/03/2008 5:44:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

No reparations. I am so damned sick of white guilt being shoved in our faces. I had family on both sides of the civil war. We bled at the ofice ... TWICE.


41 posted on 07/03/2008 5:44:42 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
My ancestors are Irish! When do I get my reparations owed me for the systematic torture, starvation, raping, slavery of the my people as indentured servants in the colonies!!!
42 posted on 07/03/2008 5:44:54 AM PDT by avacado
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To: yldstrk; TornadoAlley3; Aria
Number 1. Slavery was legal until it was not.

Number 2. See number 1.

... and the greedy slave collectors were...(drum roll)... BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIMS! O'Hussein (& Company) needs to phone home! THEY'RE STILL DOING IT!!! IT's CALLED ISLAM!!! /rant


43 posted on 07/03/2008 5:45:33 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Your mileage may vary.)
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To: rdb3

Dang. I had a box of Arturo Fuente Hemingway’s for you.


44 posted on 07/03/2008 5:45:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I gave at the office.


45 posted on 07/03/2008 5:46:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TornadoAlley3
Even immigrants and people whose ancestral line contains no slaveholders should pay reparations...

Yeah, put a 50% tax on all the money illegal immigrants are sending to their home countries.

(Oh, crap, that will never work. Most of them aren't white and this is a soak whitey issue.)

46 posted on 07/03/2008 5:47:46 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Blaming CO2 for global warming is like blaming your thermometer for your kid's fever.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Mrs. Submariner's Great-Great Uncle was with the Wisconsin Volunteers and left an arm at Vicksburg. Maybe it is time the descendants of the slaves started paying the descendants of those who fought to liberate them.
47 posted on 07/03/2008 5:50:00 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: cookcounty
Let’s see, the British brought African slavery to the North American continent, so...thta’s the first place that reparations should begin.

No, the place to begin is with blacks. Everyone practiced slavery in older times. Slavery was simply an institution that was taken for granted as part of every society. Whites were the first to get rid of it, slowly, over a period of many centuries. Meanwhile, African blacks never even considered getting rid of it.

When the New World was being colonized, the idea of slavery, which had been dying in the white world, made an unfortunate comeback. The new lands seemed so vast that some felt slave labor was needed to develop such a huge land mass. But where could they get slaves? They had banned slavery in their own lands.

Africa turned out to be the place where slaves were a dime a dozen. Why? Because the Africans had never even considered getting rid of slavery. They practiced it with impunity, and it had never crossed their minds that there was anything wrong with it. So we bought slaves from there and brought them to America.

Eventually we realized our error and abolished slavery for good, but Africans would still be practicing slavery today if the European colonial powers hadn't stopped it. In fact, slavery is still practiced today, under the radar, in many African nations.

And, of course, black Americans today are net beneficiaries of slavery because they have the highest standard of living of any blacks on earth, thanks to the fact that they were brought here.

So just say no to reparations. Everyone on earth surely has both slaves and slave owners among their ancestors. It's ironic that the race that was the last to abolish slavery, and which would still be practicing it had others not forced them to abolish it, is the one demanding reparations for the practice.

48 posted on 07/03/2008 5:50:27 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: avacado

An indentured servant is indentured as a payment for debt - the only way some people could pay their debts or raise money for other purposes was to indenture themselves.

Slavery is different from indenture. Indenture was a form of contract.


49 posted on 07/03/2008 5:52:10 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: ClearCase_guy
"You have to have a sub-standard IQ to think like that".

Awhh, cum'on....You know darn well "The Bell Curve" is not an allowed subject...re education, accomplishment etc etc ....

Equality is THE GOAL !! Thus spake Obama the new messiah leader of the new 'war on poverty' thru faith based subsidized democrat orgnizations like ACORN??? /sarc

50 posted on 07/03/2008 5:52:49 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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