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Closing Enron Loophole Would Drop Oil Prices 25% - 50% Overnight
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6098 ^ | 06/22/08 | Jon Ponder

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:45:49 PM PDT by brwnsuga

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To: wildbill; All
Exactly!

We have done nothing on energy for years,now we are paying the price for that ignorance.

The answer of course to the entire energy debacle is to challenge the rats( who are using their surrogates the wacko enviros and their well heeled lawyers to do their dirty work),to literally do it all.

We simply challenge them to go for broke on wind, solar, bio diesel, nuclear and drill every where a drill will find oil regardless of where it is.

When they still decline for some idiotic convoluted reasoning, since what they really want is the destruction of the us and capitalism, then we can make them out to be the fools they are and hopefully some will be voted out in Nov. It's our best bet, only it takes a little guts for the critters to do it and keep on speaking out.

21 posted on 07/03/2008 5:26:22 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: phil1750

I doubt the impact would be as immediate or dramatic as you think. The prices for contracts are typically for the next month or two, and it will take a few years to bring these wells online. There will be an impact, and, over time, it would be beneficial for the price in relative terms, but it certainly would not cause someone with a contract due in 2 months to panic and sell.


22 posted on 07/03/2008 5:29:35 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: bray
Evening Bray nice to see you. Another dynamic that is not often discussed is that many gas stations in competitive areas work on 6-10cents per gallon margin.

At a dollar a gallon that would 6-10% gross profit from the sale of gas.

At $4.00 per gallon it's 2% or less.

Add in customer charges on credit cards at 1/1/2 -2% of total sale and the stations are going backwards.

Even the profit from all the other over priced stuff can't make up the difference in most stations. So many are getting out, going bust or like Exxon selling out.

23 posted on 07/03/2008 5:32:40 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: rodguy911

When voters keep returning commies like Maxine Waters and John Conyers and Tom Harkin to office, it shows the voters are clueless just as the demcorat party planned them to be back when the democrap party started desrtoying the education system , in the name of ‘improving education in America’. Maxine even blurted out recently during hearings that ‘they would take over the oil industry’, meaning the democrap controlled government will take over private industry if it doesn’t tow their commie line! And yet that stupid b!tch will be re-elected every time she runs! The democrap party is a criminal enterprise with socialist intent.


24 posted on 07/03/2008 5:33:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: brwnsuga

I’m not sure I agree. Wouldn’t these same uber-speculaters currently trading unregulated in USA just continue to trade unregulated on British futures markets, where it’s apparently more lax?


25 posted on 07/03/2008 5:34:13 PM PDT by milky
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To: Enterprise
The executives are telling her that the refineries are not making a profit and that they are going to have to shut down in a few weeks

obama may have to nationalize the refineries and the price of gas will go to double digits.

26 posted on 07/03/2008 5:36:31 PM PDT by alrea (ethanol stops global warming with starvation)
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To: rodguy911

Remember all the independent gas stations years ago. They were all put out of business by the enviroterrorists/Congress forcing them to replace their tanks at $500K/pop. Put all but the bigs from staying in business. Now we have no competition.

If you like $5/gal, Thank Congress in Nov.


27 posted on 07/03/2008 5:40:49 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!!)
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To: MHGinTN
Yeah, its hard to imagine just how stupid some of the dem/rats actually are.

We really have to concentrate on areas that are not totally rat infested where the populace can still read and write and make some common sense.

The destruction of govt. schools has had major ramifications in the country no doubt.

One thing that is rather encouraging to me however is that many times when I take the time to explain things in a rational manner like drilling etc. to the average guy, much of the time they come around really quick and see the light. I know that won't happen everywhere but it is always worth a try.,p> I personally think that I have changed and influenced many minds simply by pointing out things that we take for granted here but elsewhere are huge secrets.

28 posted on 07/03/2008 5:45:37 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: milky
Traders or no traders as Boone Pickens says as long as we have an imbalance in the market, daily there is a million and a half barrels of oil more demand than supply, prices will go up that simple.
29 posted on 07/03/2008 5:47:31 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: bray
I still say what is going on is the dem/rats/DNC using the enviro wackos to do their dirty work.

They(enviro rat lawyers) have effectively blocked every avenue on land and in the sea where one could drill and so far are getting away with it in the name of ecology not socialism.

What they are doing is a simple concept to tell and if we get it across to the public the rats will probably open up something somewhere, we just have to be persistent and LOUDDDDD!!!

GW should immediately take away the Presidential ban that his father installed years ago. That would be a great start.

30 posted on 07/03/2008 5:52:18 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: vigilo
In the early twenty's, the boomtowns in Texas and Oklahoma began producing crude and then refining in months. No modern technology either.
31 posted on 07/03/2008 5:56:33 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (In honor of my husband who served his country with honor. HLM July 21, 1935-July 08 ,2007)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

“because it would take at least five years for oil production to begin.”

Oh I believe the line - my reply to it is - So?!?

7% production increase is a 7% decrease in imports. It means jobs HERE. Lots of jobs. If you increase the domestic oil supply - you ALSO need to increase the amount of refining done - more jobs NOT created by the government!!!

Back to the statements - I believe the basics that it takes 5 years to do the physical plant development and get the resources on line. I don’t agree with the conclusions.


32 posted on 07/03/2008 6:01:28 PM PDT by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: fremont_steve
We are ten million barrels per day short, we could get a million and a half from anwar,same amount or more in the Gulf, who knows how much in oil shale here, nukes could pick up a lot of slack there is more nat. gas than we can ever mine!! All of this can happen in 2-5 years, why the H___ are we not doing it.??
33 posted on 07/03/2008 6:05:36 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Coldwater Creek

We built the Panama canal, Hoover and other dams, concieved and built atomic weapons in just a few years, put a man on the moon in less than ten years, beat both the Nazi’s and Japanese in just a few years, we have spacecraft on the moon and Mars and outside the solar system and all of a sudden we can’t drill a few wells in less than ten to twenty years.
My guess is that within three years we could have oil flowing from some of them.
We can chant “yes we can” and educate the entire world no matter if they are illegal or not and now the chant is “no we can’t” drill a few holes in the ground.


34 posted on 07/03/2008 6:07:28 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: brwnsuga

The day we give the okay to drilling off-shore or in ANWR the price of oil will plummet. The mechanism that will do that is the futures market, the big bad speculators everybody likes to hate so much.


35 posted on 07/03/2008 6:07:48 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: brwnsuga

If it is going to take 10 5 years,
shouldn't we get started?

Drill here, drill now, pay less


36 posted on 07/03/2008 6:09:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (If it is going to take 10 years, shouldn't we get started? Drill here, drill now, pay less.)
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To: brwnsuga
...because it would take at least five years for oil production to begin

Absolute bull crap - there are numerous fields that were discovered decades ago, off the coast of California, that have never produced a drop of oil, simply because D@mocrats (federal, State & local) won't allow it [ http://www.mms.gov/omm/pacific/offshore/ofrrpt.htm ]. Several of the fields are of "unusual size" (ala 'ROUSs' - and I kid you not, they're monsters). Production could commence in much less than a year, using floating facilities, if the D@mocrats would just get their sorry @sses out of the way (and out of the courts).

But, in reality, it will never happen - the D@mocrats (federal, State & local) actually prefer extremely high oil prices...

37 posted on 07/03/2008 6:13:08 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I posted this for discussion purposes. In this great land we have the right to speak, think, discuss, consider...that doesn’t necessarily mean I agree or disagree.


38 posted on 07/03/2008 6:23:42 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

It took until 2005-2006 for the same loophole to be used to manipulate natural gas prices.

I think what has accelerated the rise of oil is due to the opening of the Dubai exchange in 2005.

A large volume of WTI futures are now traded in Dubai:

http://www.eyeofdubai.com/v1/news/newsdetail-23345.htm


39 posted on 07/03/2008 6:26:06 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: milky

They already are.


40 posted on 07/03/2008 6:32:22 PM PDT by NVDave
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