Libertarians Favor Obama and Other Looks at Election 2008

Rasmussen Reports ^ | July 05, 2008 | Rasmussen Reports

[Kleebo151]

Libertarian voters make up 4% of the nation’s likely voters and they favor Barack Obama over John McCain by a 53% to 38% margin. Three percent (3%) would vote for some other candidate and 5% are not sure.

[Kleebo151]

This largely explains, in my opinion, why Matt Drudge, who in a 1998 Playboy Magazine interview said "I am a libertarian," is so sympathetic towards Obama.

[Magic Fingers]

So libertarians favor a socialist? I don’t get it.

[ETL]

"Libertarians Favor Obama and Other Looks at Election 2008"

I think there's a typo in this title. Seems like it should be:

"Libertarians Favor Obama and Other Kooks at Election 2008"

[traviskicks]

Libertarian voters make up 4% of the nation’s likely voters and they favor Barack Obama over John McCain by a 53% to 38% margin. ????

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.

[Baynative]

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." -Barack Obama July 2, 2008

[DoughtyOne]

If this is true, and I seriously question that, I find it quite surprising.

[traviskicks]

Either this poll is flawed, or those who call themselves libertarians are very mistaken about what it is to be a libertarain. Both McCain and Obama are socailists, both love big government, both will expand government. However, the difference in scale is undisputable, Obama is clearly more anti-freedom than McCain. Not that either will get my vote. :)

[Baynative]

"...a civilian national security force -

[ETL]

From Barack Obama's official website:

“I wanted to make an art piece of Barack Obama because I thought an iconic portrait of him could symbolize and amplify the importance of his mission. I believe Obama will guide this country to a future where everyone can thrive and I should support him vigorously for the sake of my two young daughters. I have made art opposing the Iraq war for several years, and making art of Obama, who opposed the war from the start, is like making art for peace. I know I have an audience of young art fans and I’m delighted if I can encourage them to see the merits of Barack Obama.”

-Shepard Fairey
http://store.barackobama.com/product_p/po26951.htm

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See, it's all about "peace, love, togetherness" and "change". Here are some of Fairey's other masterpieces. Most of his works are along these same lines...

Source:
http://jonathanlevinegallery.com/?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=F65EBB86-3048-28EB-92D55AA4FC996E31&GalleryID=82C33C59-3048-28EB-92DB386C8C733405

[Crimson Elephant]

How in the world could a Libertarian support Obama?

[Tanniker Smith]

Libertarians might agree with conservatives that too much big government is A Bad Thing, but when it goes to things like abortion, personal drug use, homosexual marriage, and other hot-button social issues, they tend more toward the liberal side of the aisle.

[ElkGroveDan]

These days they are homos and pot-smokers for the most part. Sad to say that the true sense of the word has been lost and corrupted.

[ETL]

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

Source for most of the Jane Fonda material:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

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From RushLimbaugh.com:
Hanoi Jane Endorses Obama
April 3, 2008

REPORTER 1: Jane, who are you voting for?

REPORTER 2: Who gets your vote?

FONDA: Obama.

REPORTER 2: Oh, my God. Heaven help us all.

RUSH: The reporter for TMZ said, "Oh, God. Heaven help us all." Obviously the reporter is an Obama supporter.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040308/content/01125111.guest.html

[Baynative]

"Obama is clearly more anti-freedom than McCain."

This one will come down to two issues:
1. National Defense
2. Supreme Court

[Parley Baer]

I have to agree. Maybe there is a new definition of what a Libertarian is? The msm does change the meaning of words to suit their agenda.

[kbennkc]

\So libertarians favor a socialist? I don’t get it.

Don't worry , thats just the sense our moms told us to use . You don't believe this , because it is a ridiculous lie . You can call pig poop punkin pie , but that don't make it so .

[ETL]

Michael Moore endorsed Wesley Clark...and now Obama

From Michael Moore's website, September 12th, 2003:

Michael Moore to Wesley Clark: Run!
A Citizen's Appeal to a General in a Time of War (at Home)

Dear General Wesley Clark,

I've been meaning to write to you for some time. Two days after the Oscars, when I felt very alone and somewhat frightened by the level of hatred toward me for daring to suggest that we were being led into war for "fictitious reasons," one person stuck his neck out and came to my defense on national television.

And that person was you.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2003-09-12

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From Moore's website, January 14th, 2004:

I'll Be Voting For Wesley Clark / Good-Bye Mr. Bush

Many of you have written to me in the past months asking, 'Who are you going to vote for this year?'

I have decided to cast my vote in the primary for Wesley Clark. That's right, a peacenik is voting for a general. What a country!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-01-14

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Michael (the "peacenik") Moore, also from his website...

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?"
[actual quote from Michael Moore (2004). It still appears on his website]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

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This one has been up for years, although I doubt if it's actually Michael Moore saying it...

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA):
"We are a party of unity in action. We are an integral part of every struggle and movement for change to eliminate poverty and joblessness, against racism and for full equality. We are participants, initiators and leaders of every movement to make life better now and much better in a socialist future." Yeah, so they supported an oppressive dictator, like the Repubs and Democrats haven't? The CP is still around, has apologized for that whole Stalin thing, and has a quickly growing youth section.
[see: MichaelMoore.com-->Links-->PoliticalAction (bottom of the page--CPUSA promo)]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/links/index.php?linkType=Political%20Action

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From the Revolutionary Communist Party website
A Viewer's Guide to Fahrenheit 911

Revolutionary Worker #1246, July 18, 2004, posted at http://rwor.org

"People have been lied to. And many can see it. Invasion, occupation, police spying, round-ups, even torture camps--plus far-reaching changes in law, treaty and doctrine --they have all come wrapped in deceit. The President lies. His whole clique lies."

http://rwor.org/a/1246/fahrenheit_911_guide.htm

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Monday, April 21st, 2008
My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

Friends,

I don't get to vote for President this primary season. I live in Michigan. The party leaders (both here and in D.C.) couldn't get their act together, and thus our votes will not be counted.

So, if you live in Pennsylvania, can you do me a favor? Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday for Senator Barack Obama?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php

[pookie18]

Like Tom Daschle, Bob Barr is deeply saddened...

[Sooth2222]

Sure! The poll means that 97% of self-identified Libertarians have no idea of what a Libertarian is!

[romanesq]

“How in the world could a Libertarian support Obama?”

I’m Libertarian, not that it means much. If you want to see a room of people argue endlessly with not agreement, just put a bunch in the same room.

I will not vote Libertarian this year for President. There’s too much at stake with national security.

I will pull the lever for McCain and get over myself. Then I will pray that Shamnesty does not become the law of the land.

But I will not sit by and allow a flat out marxist to take the Oval Office. No way.

I’m guessing there are many librarians who will. And this survey must be adding them into the survey. That’s about all I can muster on this absurdity.

[Kleebo151]

I agree. Maybe many respondents confused “libertarian” with “liberal.”

[kbennkc]

Sure! The poll means that 97% of self-identified Libertarians have no idea of what a Libertarian is!

I think you are very close and perhaps have identified a condition not unrelated to drug use .

[Sooth2222]

Libertarian voters make up 4% of the nation’s likely voters

Since Michael Badnarik won 0.34% of the vote in 2004 (behind Nader) maybe Scott Rasmussen's estimate of the number of Libertarians is just a little on the high side?

[steve-b]

Obviously, a Big Government approach to “social issues” is unacceptable to either libertarians of genuine conservatives.

[BGHater]

Utter nonsense. No self respecting libertarian who loves freedom and individual responsibility would be for Obama.

The only reason to vote for Obama is because we know what he will want to do and try to get. He is a Marxist. Thats a given.

The unknown is McCain. He will push funding for global Aids, Global warming, etc. And every once in a while throw a bone to conservatives.

Easy pick. Obama for President.

Republicans act like Republicans when there is a Rat President.

[montag813]

What about ACLU assclown Bob Barr? Isn’t he the “Libertarian” nominee?

[PGR88]

There are a lot of so-called Libertarians who simply pick and choose among Libertarian philosophy, keeping some parts and discarding other parts (particularly property and gun rights).

[Cringing Negativism Network]

As a liberarian, I’m calling “BS” on this one.

[Cicero]

I don’t doubt that pot-smoking, cocaine sniffing libertarians favor Obama.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

“There are a lot of so-called Libertarians who simply pick and choose among Libertarian philosophy, keeping some parts and discarding other parts (particularly property and gun rights).”

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There are a lot of other libertarians who pick and choose among libertarian philosophy, keeping some parts (property and gun rights), and discarding other parts (particularly drug use, and isolationism).

[dfwgator]

I could see social libertarians favoring Obama, but certainly not economic libertarians.

[Fresh Wind]

We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.

Oh, that must be the "well regulated militia" that everybody is talking about. Nothing to worry about. We could never have a Gestapo here. This is America.

[Archon of the East]

No but it does tell you that a large part of the “libertarian” population is only guided by selfish vice issues like prostitution and drugs. I favor a more libertarian USA but not on those issues. Obviously if libertarians favor Obama they are not libertarians at all. That being said I don’t suspect any of them really are exited about McCain either.

[ellery]

I agree. The “libertarians” who support Obama are probably the same ones who supported Giuliani. Either they aren’t really for libertarian ideals, or they aren’t paying attention.

[headsonpikes]

“How in the world could a Libertarian support Obama?”

They must be those Red Republicans.

Red Republicans...hmmmm

;^)

[decimon]

Either this poll is flawed, or those who call themselves libertarians are very mistaken about what it is to be a libertarain.

Well, how does the Reason crowd strike you today as opposed to years ago?

[cardinal4]

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." -Barack Obama July 2, 2008

My God, we are doomed..

[Tzimisce]

Neither do I.

[pgkdan]

I guess by libertarian they mean dope smoking, tax evading, crack head homos. That would make sense.

[Combat_Liberalism]

Libertarian is a euphemism for liberal. Limited government is their first principle to abandon.

[decimon]

There are a lot of so-called Libertarians who simply pick and choose among Libertarian philosophy, keeping some parts and discarding other parts (particularly property and gun rights).

These have been described as 'modal libertarians.'

[Mojave]

[driftless2]

Obama probably promised free maryjane. Libertarians couldn’t turn that down. (smirk)

[SVTCobra03]

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.” -Barack Obama July 2, 2008

The mask has finally come off and the Obamanation has revealed himself for the Fascist that he truly is. He now feels comfortable that he can propose to create a Sturm Abteilung and no one in the MSM will call him on it. If he can create Brownshirts then can an American SS and Gestapo be far behind?

[radioman]

The mushy middle is 15% of the electorate and they are overwhelmingly libertarian. You ignored the warning in 2006...good luck in 2008.

[FocusNexus]

“So libertarians favor a socialist? I don’t get it.”

I am not surprised — just read a lot of the posts here. There are a lot of libertarians on this site. They want to take revenge on the Republicans, even if it means destroying the country. This makes them feel “powerful”.

[driftless2]

"what it is"

In Wisconsin there are several libertarian candidates for governor. One sounds like a socialist leading his libertarian opponent (I can't remember the name of either candidate) to question whether he knows what a true libertarian believes.

[justiceseeker93]

I believe that "libertarian voters", according to Rasmussen's classification, are not self-described libertarians, but rather "fiscal conservatives and social liberals." So they are a group defined by the pollster, not themselves. That likely explains their surprising preference of presidential candidate. In my personal experience, the large majority of people who describe themselves as "libertarian" are more concerned about economic than social issues, and you will almost never come across a Democrat in libertarian circles.

BTW, it's also surprising that Bob Barr doesn't even register in Rasmussen's poll, even among the group they define as "libertarian."

[driftless2]

"tend towards"

The little bit I've read and heard about the libertarin party is that they are strong advocates of liberalizing marijuana. Neil Boortz, a strong libertarian, is disgusted with the national party.

[SlapHappyPappy]

Actually, I thin the bigger issue is that most self proclaimed “libertarians” really have no idea what the term means. It's simply a status symbol for them to be a member of neither major party. Those are the same types who will support Obama because it's what all the cool kids are doing.