Skip to comments.There Go the Neighborhoods
Posted on 07/05/2008 7:48:50 PM PDT by Lorianne
Even million-dollar housing vouchers bring crime to the suburbs. ___ What if Section 8 housing voucher recipients were given $15 million vouchers, good for use in Malibu or Beverly Hills? The only question would be whether it would take a full five seconds for elite support for this federal housing programwhich provides welfare families with a monthly rental check to move from ghettos to more stable working-class neighborhoodsto evaporate.
The gorgeous sea-and-mountain community of Topanga Canyon, just south of Malibu, may have gotten a little taste of what such an experiment in serious social engineering might look like. In 2000, Los Angeles paid $15 million to Javier Francisco Ovando, a Honduran illegal immigrant and member of the 18th Street gang, in compensation for his victimization at the hands of two corrupt Los Angeles police officers four years earlier. The Ovando case was at the heart of the Rampart scandal, in which a cadre of gang cops from the LAPDs Rampart Division abused, stole from, and framed drug dealers. Two of those officers shot the unarmed Ovando during a drug investigation, paralyzing him. They then planted a gun on him and persuaded a court that he had fired his gun first, resulting in Ovandos imprisonment for two and a half years until the truth came to light.
section 8’s a government socialist scam.
i didn’t know what it was until i moved into an apartment that had some section 8’s.
i learned fast. they were always begging rides and favors.
then, it seemed that the apartment management favored the section 8’s over the other residents who paid more rent.
correct. the management said that the government paid the apartment owner MORE money for the section 8’s than what non-section 8’s paid.
so, the owner wanted more section 8’s.
i moved out.
I view forced subsidized housing as a ploy by the liberals to take over conservative voting blocks in suburbs, etc.
yo probably right.
they all vote democrat, i noticed.
they sit around all day watching tv.
Another nail in our coffin, put there by Congressional Democrats.
I seem to remember that a certain freeper from Ithaca once wrote a song about Section 8 to the tune of “Yesterday.”
A poster here once gave a tip with respect to apartment hunting. He or she recommended casing prospective apartment communities during the weekdays to judge how many cars were sitting in the parking lots. An apartment community full of cars at 10:00 or 11:00 a.m. on weekday mornings would probably not be a good sign.
I thought a Section 8 was a crazy person.
just i noticed driving thru’ moreno valley during the day—
lots of young men, 20’s-30’s, walking around the streets with do
rags and mexican gang stuff,
with their girl friends pushing baby carriages.
not a good sign.
No offense, but is there ANYWHERE in the Inland Empire that is livable these days?
Too much work. If you see an ad in the paper that shows an apartment for rent, just call the number and ask” yo my man, is the space still fo rent?” If they say yes, you do not want to live there. If they say no, go take a look.
I also looked at the year of the cars in the parking lot when I was interested in a complex. They have a great site now, www.apartmentratings.com that is very helpful when searching apartments in your area.
There is an article this month about this in Atlantic Monthly I think. Apparently the Memphis police were stunned when crime suddenly jumped in previously low crime areas. Just so happened that the Chief of Police is married to a professor of urban planning at the university. One day she put an overlay of neighborhoods where the city had moved Section 8 people to get them out of the hood onto a map that had the crime pockets marked. Perfect match.
When you go house hunting, look for a place where there is no vacant land nearby for the politicians to do their social engineering.
I think within a decade, most of the populations of Compton and East L.A. will have exchanged places with everyone now living in the Inland Empire who can afford to sell out.
The same pattern will occur in many other places. In Arizona, the ticky-tacky tract homes way out in Queen Creek and Peoria will soon be filled with gang-bangers, while the tougher parts of central and south Phoenix will continue gentrifying. I think the light-rail white elephant might even make a go of it.
I’ll happily have Ward Connerly as a neighbor. Trash of any color is not what I want in my neighborhood. I consider Rosie O’Donnel trash as well.
No, just trying to pass on a short cut because of the high cost of gasoline. Why visit when you can find out by phone?
I know. I was just being tongue-in-cheeky.
However, from what I've heard, they soon find out that they're not necessarily making a bigger profit, because many of the Section 8 tenants basically trash the apartments before they move somewhere else.
My landlord is someone who resisted the lure of Section 8 tenants for just those reasons.
You can take people out of the slum but you cannot usually take the slum out of people.
Anyone renting out any of their property needs to do their research before they rent through a property management company. My brother-in-law put his house up for rent a few years ago and used a property management company. They accepted a Section 8 tenant without informing him. Two months later, no rent had ever been paid, and she trashed the house and sold everything she could find (like mirrors that had been attached to the walls.) There was evidence of drug use all over the place. The monthly rent was not cheap, and it was in a slightly more upscale neighborhood.
I’m seeing a similar thing happen in Detroit. Growth is occuring in the center, while the inner rim suburbs seem to be collecting the rot.
Been going on in NYC for 15-20 years now. All of Manhattan, and the inner nabes of Brooklyn, Queens, and Jersey City have been gentrifying, while the outer satellite cities (Yonkers, Mt. Vernon) decline.
Read the Atlantic Monthly article where they illustrate the rise of crime in smaller cities and Section-8 housing.
An American Murder Mystery -
Why is crime rising in so many American cities? The answer implicates one of the most celebrated antipoverty programs of recent decades.
Thanks for the link on that.
Here’s the FR thread:
My FIL has a pile of small rental houses. He absolutely will not take Section 8. He’s a smart man.
Honduran illegal immigrant huh? That’s easy to fix, just move Joe Horn in next door!
no offence taken. yes there are nice places all over. always on the mountains.
you just have to know where.
temecula’s very nice. rich wine producers east of the city. the mountains above the city are nice. from temecula to warner springs will stay nice. 500,000-million dollar homes. (altho’ prices may be down now.)
hemet no. lots of new growth, but commuters. in the long run a disaster in the making. as i said, no new freeways. state dumps their sex felons there. meth production. imo.
a friend of mine just moved between murrieta and lake elsinore. lots of new 4,000 sq ft homes. those are large lots. it’ll stay nice for a few decades. good freeway access when the i-15 and i-215 aren’t parking lots.
i live in the coachella valley. about 400,000 people. the wealth here is staggering.
miles and miles and miles of gated country clubs and gated communities with million dollar homes. there are so many golf courses that the low desert now has a mosquito problemo. si.
rich people and snow birds come here to play golf and die. president ford died here.
the rich have their employees. and there are gangs in those areas where they live.
in addition to the rich there’s the indian tribes and their casinos and entertainment. it’s a small las vegas. lots of prostitutes. crooked cops. lots of money.
holes in the walls.
i don’t get it.
If they say no then that space is not for rent.
There are a number of groups that do nothing but make calls like that in the hope of catching someone discriminating. They have been doing it for several years so Landlords are wise to this tactic and rely on other ways to not rent to those they would prefer not to.
Let me see if I remember the math.
The section eight recipient pay 25% of their income, less utilities. Yes, the government pays some people to live in apartments or homes that accept vouchers.
It’s all a socialistic tool to spread the wealth, and in return, honest, tax paying citizens get all the joys of gangs, drugs, and general stupidity.
Remember, also, that once these new residents move in, their children attend schools that are primarily run on local property taxes. So if you pay $8,000.00 in property taxes and live in a good school district, and there is an apartment complex in the school district accepting these vouchers, guess who is attending school with your children.
Diversity, man, that’s what it’s all about.
Perhaps, and perhaps not... Many people don't work the traditional "9 to 5" these days. I work from 3-11:30 PM, myself, so my car would be in the parking lot at 10-11:00 AM...